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Perspective: I am an Ahmadi Muslim and I love Pakistan

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Whether the Ahmediya are Muslim or not is not for me to judge, it is a matter between them and their God and I will leave it at that. However, from a strictly social point of view, I believe that the second amendment was the single greatest act of injustice ever carried out in the history of this country and we have been paying dearly for it ever since. To win over the support of the conservative mullah lobby, Bhutto effectively sold Ahmedi blood in return for support for his 'Islamic Socialist Manifesto'. Mullahs had been baying for blood ever since Pakistan had been established and this act left Ahmedis as fair game, soon it was their mosques being vandalized, then the graves of their dead, before finally it was the living who were robbed of their right to live.
The same elements are now chanting "Kafir, Kafir Shia Kafir" and we are only waiting for another Bhutto to sell the Shias so we can wash the streets with their blood, then the Barelvis, then the Ismailis, the Bohras, the Hur, and every other group until finally there is no one left but the self-righteous Isslafiya.

Is Zakir himself a Muslim? Wanna see Fatwas against him?

There's a fatwa against every living person who has ever said a word of truth, I am not a Zakir Naik fan but if he has fatwas against him, he must have done something right.
 
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@Jaanbaz

Do Ahmadis consider us as Muslims?

Im not asking your perspective, i am asking the perspective of Ahmadi belief.
I have checked their booklet .. there is criticism of Shias and other sunnis.. Ahmedis consider themselves as sunnis and say they follow Imam Abu Hanifa r.a

they do call all others misguided. same is the case with all other sects
 
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However, from a strictly social point of view, I believe that the second amendment was the single greatest act of injustice ever carried out in the history of this country and we have been paying dearly for it ever since. To win over the support of the conservative mullah lobby, Bhutto effectively sold Ahmedi blood in return for support for his 'Islamic Socialist Manifesto'. Mullahs had been baying for blood ever since Pakistan had been established and this act left Ahmedis as fair game, soon it was their mosques being vandalized, then the graves of their dead, before finally it was the living who were robbed of their right to live.
The same elements are now chanting "Kafir, Kafir Shia Kafir" and we are only waiting for another Bhutto to sell the Shias so we can wash the streets with their blood, then the Barelvis, then the Ismailis, the Bohras, the Hur, and every other group until finally there is no one left but the self-righteous Isslafiya.


you nicely summed it up
@Jaanbaz thanks for your thread and respect to you
 
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what brings u here in this thread?
don't u think this thread strictly pertains to Pakistan internal matter and got nothing to do with cow piss drinkers
then may i have the honour to know y u r poking ur dirty nose in it??

Maintain civility, this is a public forum not a policy forum where Indians may be barred from participating.
 
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what brings u here in this thread?
don't u think this thread strictly pertains to Pakistan internal matter and got nothing to do with cow piss drinkers
then may i have the honour to know y u r poking ur dirty nose in it??
uncalled for comment
 
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Whether the Ahmediya are Muslim or not is not for me to judge, it is a matter between them and their God and I will leave it at that. However, from a strictly social point of view, I believe that the second amendment was the single greatest act of injustice ever carried out in the history of this country and we have been paying dearly for it ever since. To win over the support of the conservative mullah lobby, Bhutto effectively sold Ahmedi blood in return for support for his 'Islamic Socialist Manifesto'. Mullahs had been baying for blood ever since Pakistan had been established and this act left Ahmedis as fair game, soon it was their mosques being vandalized, then the graves of their dead, before finally it was the living who were robbed of their right to live.
The same elements are now chanting "Kafir, Kafir Shia Kafir" and we are only waiting for another Bhutto to sell the Shias so we can wash the streets with their blood, then the Barelvis, then the Ismailis, the Bohras, the Hur, and every other group until finally there is no one left but the self-righteous Isslafiya.



There's a fatwa against every living person who has ever said a word of truth, I am not a Zakir Naik fan but if he has fatwas against him, he must have done something right.

It is not just what Bhutto did. General Zia further built on it with his legacy of laws that are being used to devastating effect against minorities and women to this day. The real sad part is that no one has the courage or authority anymore to reverse the barbaric uses of such laws.
 
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Lets put aside religious Angle for a moment (and forever)
Iam not against AHMEDIS.....and I call them our BROTHERS
 
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It is not just what Bhutto did. General Zia further built on it with his legacy of laws that are being used to devastating effect against minorities and women to this day. The real sad part is that no one has the courage or authority anymore to reverse the barbaric uses of such laws.

Indeed, Gen Zia's role can be discussed to death but there would still be flaws pending but I was referring to the exact point where this problem originated from. The reason why no one can reverse these laws now is because they have become ingrained in an illiterate, intolerant society like the word of god himself and any one who challenges these laws will be met with the same fate as Salman Taseer. Their murderer would be celebrated, made a pop icon, kissed by lawyers who are supposed to be the foot soldiers of the legal system. In such a situation, it has become impossible to reverse these laws.
 
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Indeed, Gen Zia's role can be discussed to death but there would still be flaws pending but I was referring to the exact point where this problem originated from. The reason why no one can reverse these laws now is because they have become ingrained in an illiterate, intolerant society like the word of god himself and any one who challenges these laws will be met with the same fate as Salman Taseer. Their murderer would be celebrated, made a pop icon, kissed by lawyers who are supposed to be the foot soldiers of the legal system. In such a situation, it has become impossible to reverse these laws.

That was my point too, in that instead of rectifying that mistakes in our past, we have chosen to build them up into even bigger problems, as you have described. All nations and governments make mistakes, but only those that try to correct them are the ones that progress, wouldn't you agree?
 
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Qadiani = Kafir

Muslim = Pure / Kafir = Impure

Pakistan = Land of the Pure

Simple.


It is people like you sir, that beat their chests and cry over the xenophobic attitude shown in the west towards muslims and advocate great extremes of the same in your own homeland. You sir, are a hypocrite and a bigot.
 
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Maintain civility, this is a public forum not a policy forum where Indians may be barred from participating.
it irritates me alot when indians poke their nose everywhere and create filth
just because of them and their filth we r unable to discus any internal issue of our country peacefully and freely
why they have been given so much liberty?
y every indian consider himself an expert on every pakistani matter on which he doesnt even have a clue
 
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