People from India, China out-educating Americans in maths and technology: Barack Obama

[Speeder 2]

When presented with facts, you sidestepped to writing personal opinion as your case for argument. No wonder India came last in PISA test. The infamous indian IQ

The avergae IQ derived from the results of two of India´s TOP regions that participated PISA 2009 Plus tests is about 74! See Anatoly´s analysis posted above.

Anatoly´s might not be very accurate but not too far from the truth. So India´s 81 IQ may still prove to be an optimistic upper end estimation by Lynn.

 

[timetravel]

there is only one way to do well in any exam in China. The one who copies the most gets the top most university.

if the kids are not allowed to copy, the parents can sue the local govt for unfair competitive advantage to other Chinese kids.

then the state govt. accepts its mistake and says sorry next time we will allow everyone to copy.

that's the level and reality of Chinese education. Copying is not considered a sin, infact copying is the birth right of every Chinese. More he copies more he scores.

 

[timetravel]

The avergae IQ derived from the results of two of India´s TOP regions that participated PISA 2009 Plus tests is about 74! See Anatoly´s analysis posted above.

Anatoly´s might not be very accurate but not too far from the truth. So India´s 81 IQ may still prove to be an optimistic upper end estimation by Lynn.

the average Chinese IQ has to be good. Infact they cannot make anything original. So obviously their IQ is very high.

 

[shuttler]

Pathetic indian education as manifested by their reality-check at PISA :

First they looked promising:

“It is India Time — India will participate in the next PISA test
(Program for International Student Assessment) — for the first time. There have been a number of new educational initiatives that have made this possible. One of the major programs was explained to me by Sridhar Rajagopalan (Head of Educational Initiatives), a man on a mission to revolutionize the way Indians and others think about learning.”

06/21/11
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/c-m-rubin/the-global-search-for-edu_2_b_880028.html

Second it turned out india sucked big time:

Indian students fare poorly in international evaluation test
January 16, 2012
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...ernational-evaluation-test/article2804134.ece


Third: Scared, the cowards chickened out of 2012 test

India backs out of global education test for 15-year-olds
Aug 3, 2012
http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...9_1_india-backs-global-stage-math-and-science


Fourth: the cheerleaders' repertoire - pressing the blame game button (as usual)!

Poor PISA score: Govt blames ‘disconnect’ with India
Sep 03 2012
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/poor-pisa-score-govt-blames--disconnect--with-india/996890/


Fifth: the cowards to drop out of PISA-2015, chicken out for the second time!!!

India chickens out of international students assessment programme again
June 1, 2013

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-06-01/news/39674556_1_international-student-assessment-economic-cooperation-evaluation

 

[Fattyacids]

what facts? that 12 professors were caught doing palgiarism? so do you expect zero people to copy in India.

See below for FACTS. Copying is allowed by Govt. Even the local govt. conceeded that they did mistake by not allowing the kids to copy. LOL LOL

"According to the protesters, cheating is endemic in China, so being forced to sit the exams without help put their children at a disadvantage"

local government conceded that "exam supervision had been too strict and some students did not take it well".

Maybe they should have allowed them to copy 80% of the answers. So that supervision is fairly strict and for fair competition with other Chinese kids.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ese-teachers-try-to-stop-pupils-cheating.html

12 professors were just a summary to highlight how bad plagiarism is in India, not only Indian students cheated, your professor from elite institutions cheated, the dean cheated, even the science advisor to the Prime Minister cheated. Everyone from students to dean cheated, the entire system cheats, LOL
India is the superpower of plagiarism LOL

Science Advisor to India’s Prime Minister Connected to Plagiarism
http://www.ithenticate.com/plagiari...ndia-s-Prime-Minister-Connected-to-Plagiarism

Even IIT Academics Practice Plagiarism in India
http://www.dehradunpost.com/even-iit-academics-practice-plagiarism-in-india/

Plagiarism punch knocks out IITs
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...sm-punch-knocks-out-iits/article1-611043.aspx

Scientific plagiarism in India
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_plagiarism_in_India#Society_for_Scientific_Values

Serious thoughts about plagiarism from India
Thorakkal Shamim
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3498652/

Maharashtra University of Health Sciences plans software to prevent plagiarism
http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...ftware-health-sciences-maharashtra-university

 

[Götterdämmerung]

The thing is that Indians prepare exams such as IIT, GATE, GRE, GMAT and other medical and engineering tests to a point that defies rationality . I am sure if Indians starting concentrating on test such as PISA, they would beat the test hands down.

Typical caste thinking and I don't even expect you to understand why I said so.

 

[timetravel]

the more anyone laughs at the Chinese education system, the less it is.

anyways congrats for the hight PISA scores. Meanwhile what is the next product China's high IQ and high PISA score kids copying?

lol

 

[timetravel]

I once Met a Chinese university topper who was also a finance lecturer. That guy took admission in a finance MBA programme and guess what, the Indian IT professionals who had never studies finance left this university topper from China behind in all the finance subjects comfortably.

that's a zero finance knowledge guy compared to a university topper of China.

 

[Fattyacids]

Pathetic indian education as manifested by their reality-check at PISA :

First they looked promising:

“It is India Time — India will participate in the next PISA test
(Program for International Student Assessment) — for the first time. There have been a number of new educational initiatives that have made this possible. One of the major programs was explained to me by Sridhar Rajagopalan (Head of Educational Initiatives), a man on a mission to revolutionize the way Indians and others think about learning.”

06/21/11
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/c-m-rubin/the-global-search-for-edu_2_b_880028.html

Second it turned out india sucked big time:

Indian students fare poorly in international evaluation test
January 16, 2012
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...ernational-evaluation-test/article2804134.ece


Third: Scared, the cowards chickened out of 2012 test

India backs out of global education test for 15-year-olds
Aug 3, 2012
http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...9_1_india-backs-global-stage-math-and-science

Fourth: the cheerleaders' repertoire - pressing the blame game button (as usual)!

Poor PISA score: Govt blames ‘disconnect’ with India
Sep 03 2012
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/poor-pisa-score-govt-blames--disconnect--with-india/996890/


Fifth: the cowards to drop out of PISA-2015, chicken out for the second time!!!

India chickens out of international students assessment programme again
June 1, 2013

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-06-01/news/39674556_1_international-student-assessment-economic-cooperation-evaluation

The chronicle of India and PISA test, LOL. Excellent post Shuttler. I'm saving this post for easy references in the future.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

the more anyone laughs at the Chinese education system, the less it is.

anyways congrats for the hight PISA scores. Meanwhile what is the next product China's high IQ and high PISA score kids copying?

lol

Yeah, those poor Chinese have to make copies like this:

and build shoddy stations like this:

While India build innovative high-tech trains like this:

and build superb ultra high-tech train stations like this (probably the best in the world)

 

[shuttler]

Alltech Young Scientist - 2013 and Previous Winners

http://www.alltech.com/education/alltech-young-scientist/winners

Congratulations to our 2013 Winners! (Chinese / Ethnic Chinese Students)
Global Finalists: The eight students selected by the judges to come to Lexington to compete in the Global Young Scientist Competition are:

Graduate Level

• Nimesha Fernando- University of Melbourne, Australia
• Olga Ushkova- Izhevsk State Agricultural Academy, Russia
• Ahmed Mohamed Fouad Yousif- University of Cairo, Egypt
• Sara Tanner- University of Kentucky, USA

Undergraduate Level

• Liangzhan Sun- Shandong Agricultural University, China
• JD Mostert- University of Pretoria, South Africa
• Amanda Pesqueira- University of Kentucky, USA/University of Maringa, Brazil
• Nelson Peña- Universidad de Costa Rica, Costa Rica

2013 Regional Winners
Asia Pacific
Graduate
1st - Nimesha Fernando
2nd - Xianzi Lin
3rd - Mujahidkhan Pathan

Undergraduate
1st - Liangzhan Sun
2nd - Khoerotun Nisa'
3rd - Sukamal Sarkar

Russia
Graduate
1st - Olga Ushkova
2nd - Anna Kiseleva
3rd - Natalia Khlopova

Undergraduate
1st - Alexandra Arnatskaya
2nd - Aigul Bakirova
3rd - Anna Deilik

Europe/ Africa/Mid-East
Graduate
1st - Ahmed Mohamed Fouad Yousif
2nd - Reda Saleh
3rd - Sara Riuzzi

Undergraduate
1st - JD Mostert
2nd - Katie Islip
3rd - Vsevolod Genin

The Americas
Graduate
1st - Sara Tanner
2nd - Clayton Neumeier
3rd - Matthew Bernard

North America
Undergraduate
1st - Amanda Pesqueira
2nd - Travis Goron
3rd - Lacey Marshall Lund

Latin America
Undergraduate
1st - Nelson Peña
2nd - Jean Paulo Contini
3rd - Laura Muñoz

2013 Local Winners
Graduate Local Prize Winner
Amr Morsy
Boon Chin Tan
Fei Han
Femi John Fawole
Jana Čermáková
Jessica Verpeut
Mahmoud Farahat
Muhammad Salman Nadeem
Priyanka Nandanpawar
Tanaji Kudre
Xiaofei Wang

Undergraduate Local Prize Winner
Brittany Buffam
Lebeth Manguilimotan
Marthie Nickols
Maureen Crump
Mirava Yuson
Moh. Fikri Pomalingo
Rebecca McLean
Samuel Janes



Past Winners
2012
Undergraduate: Gisele Greghi

University: Universidade de Sao Paulo, Brazil
Title of Paper: Organic selenium combined with vitamin E and sunflower oil in the diet of lactating dairy cows: the production benefits of nutrition and animal health and human

Graduate: Qian Wang

University: University of California- Davis, USA
Title of Paper: Effects of Inorganic versus Organic Copper on Denitrification and Nitrous Oxide Reductase Activity in Peat Soil

2011
Undergraduate: Yakov Tsepilov

University: Novosibirsk State University, Russia
Title of Paper: The development of new schemes of detection, characterization and typing of Salmonella enterica in meat and poultry products (paper submitted in Russian and translated).

Graduate: Wai Fun Leong

University: Universiti Putra Malaysia, Malaysia
Title of Paper: Preparation and characterization of sucrose palmitate and sucrose laureate
stabilized water-soluble phytosterol nanodispersions.

2010
Undergraduate: Lee Anne Huber

University:University of Guelph, Canada
Title of Paper: Optimum dietary isoleucine and lysine levels in a phase III barley and a wheat based pig starter

Graduate: Michael Steele

University:University of Guelph, Canada
Title of Paper: Rumen epithelial adaptation to high grain diets involves the coordinated regulation of ketogenic and cholesterolgenic gene expression.

2009
Undergraduate: Fan Liu

University: Nanjing Agricultural University, China
Title of Paper: HSP70 as a New Biomarker in Development and Evaluation of Anti-Stress Feed Additives

Graduate: Tung M. Che

University: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, United States
Title of Paper: Effects of Mannan Oligosaccharide on Immune Function and Disease Resistance in Pigs

2008
Craig Louder

University: Utah State University, Logan, United States
Title of Paper: The Estrogenic Mycotoxin Zearalenone and its Importance in Livestock Production

2007
Lucas Mascardi

University: University of Buenos Aires, Argentina
Title of Paper: Assessing Optigen as a Protein Source for Feedlot Calves

2006
Matthew Scobie

University: University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Canada
Title of Paper: The Use of Feed Attractants and Palatability Enhancers in Aquaculture Diets

 

[faithfulguy]

Tamil Nadu is among the best states in India for education. That's why your government choose it. You're free to send any students from any states, but India pulled out from the PISA testing

Secondary school education is not Phd research. It does NOT require much facilities. Just a classroom with table and chairs, black board and chalks, textbooks and teachers.

India has some of the best engineers and doctors in America. No wonder India has bad medical facilities and technologies as the best and brightest of Indians are in the west.

 

[armchairPrivate]

http://www.businessinsider.com/countries-with-the-most-brainpower-2013-10

The 25 Countries With The Most Brainpower

Which country has the largest stock of brilliant people? The answer to this question depends in part on raw brainpower, but also on the size of a country.


Exclusively for Business Insider, Dr. Jonathan Wai, a Duke University Talent Identification Program research scientist and psychologist, compiled a new ranking of countries based on scores on the 2009 PISA assessment, which tests reading, math, and science competency in 15-year-olds.

Multiple researchers have found that these tests, administered by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), are a good measure of "g," or general intelligence.

In our list, the rank order is based on two things. First, we identified the average percentage of teenagers in each country who achieved the top score of six on math or verbal tests (globally, around the 98th percentile). Second, we cross-referenced this percentage with population to estimate the number of brilliant people per country.

This provides a new way of looking at the raw brainpower of each country, not counting the significant effects of immigration and emigration.

If you looked only at average scores, you’d find the U.S. is only ranked 24th, near the middle of the pack. But if you then take into account the high-scoring right tail and population, the U.S. is not doing so bad.

Note that we're not including China on this list. Not every student in China was assessed, but only a few cities. And the result was that Shanghai in particular was a large outlier. Shanghai represents a tiny fraction of China's population, is a migration hub that attracts elites, and is much wealthier than the country as a whole. 84% of Shanghai's high school students go to college, while 24% do nationwide. Parents in Shanghai also spend a great deal of money on external tutoring, which an average worker couldn't afford.

It's not representative of China as a whole.

If Shanghai were included on its own, it would rank third on this list. If the scores in China as a whole were even near the international average, the country as a whole would rank first, given the sheer size of the population.

Below are the countries with the most brain power, noting the average percentage getting the top score on PISA tests, and the the estimated number of brilliant people.

#1 The United StatesOn average, 1.7% scored at elite levels 5,336,300 brilliant people estimated

#2 JapanOn average, 4.05% scored at elite levels5,167,800 brilliant people estimated

#3 South Korea

On average, 4.40% scored at elite levels2,200,000 brilliant people estimated

#4 GermanyOn average, 2.60% scored at elite levels2,129,140 brilliant people estimated

#5 FranceOn average, 2.20% scored at elite levels1,445,400 brilliant people estimated

#6 TaiwanOn average, 5.85% scored at elite levels1,365,390 brilliant people estimated

#7 CanadaOn average, 3.10% scored at elite levels1,081,280 brilliant people estimated

#8 RussiaOn average, 0.65% scored at elite levels932,750 brilliant people estimated

#9 The United KingdomOn average, 1.4% scored at elite levels885,220 brilliant people estimated

#10 AustraliaOn average, 3.3% scored at elite levels748,440 brilliant people estimated

#11 ItalyOn average, 1% scored at elite levels609,200 brilliant people estimated

#12 PolandOn average, 1.45% scored at elite levels558,830 brilliant people estimated

#13 SingaporeOn average, 9.10% scored at elite levels483,392 brilliant people estimated

#14 TurkeyOn average, 0.65% scored at elite levels481,000 brilliant people estimated

#15 Hong KongOn average, 6.00% scored at elite levels429,300 brilliant people estimated

#16 The NetherlandsOn average, 2.55% scored at elite levels427,635 brilliant people estimated

#17 BelgiumOn average, 3.45% scored at elite levels384,330 brilliant people estimated

#18 SpainOn average, 0.75% scored at elite levels354,525 brilliant people estimatedAverage score ranking: 35

#19 SwitzerlandOn average, 4.25% scored at elite levels339,873 brilliant people estimated

#20 BrazilOn average, 0.10% scored at elite levels198,700 brilliant people estimated

#21 The Czech RepublicOn average, 1.80% scored at elite levels189,180 brilliant people estimated

#22 New ZealandOn average, 4.1% scored at elite levels181,753 brilliant people estimated

#23 SwedenOn average, 1.90% scored at elite levels180,823 brilliant people estimated

#24 FinlandOn average, 3.25% scored at elite levels175,955 brilliant people estimated

#25 Austria
On average, 1.7% scored at elite levels
143,854 brilliant people estimated



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/countries-with-the-most-brainpower-2013-10#ixzz2irifItbz

 

[INDIC]

Chinese PISA participants were the one screened by CCP and only the highest scoring Shanghai was allowed to be published by CCP @shuttler @Speeder 2

 

[INDIC]

India has some of the best engineers and doctors in America. No wonder India has bad medical facilities and technologies as the best and brightest of Indians are in the west.

Then why so many Westerners come to India for medical tourism. You logic again failed.