Pentagon: Iran, Russia, Pakistan Continue to Support Afghan Taliban

[Path-Finder]

Bla Bla Bla believe whatever you want . Shias are proud Indians and they serve in Indian army and helped kill all the terrorists that were sent to Kashmir. They serve in Indian army in Kashmir and have become 3 star Lt Generals in Indian army commanding 180000 Indian Soldiers of whom 99% of them are Hindu/Sikh. I have many Shia friends .
Surprising they even voted for BJP in UP and Gujrat not all but some. Many Muslims in BJP a rightwing party are Shias .
As far as Indian Army is concerned well you know ......
SURPRISINGLY A LOT OF INDIAN SHIAS HATE PAKISTAN DON'T KNOW WHY NEVER ASKED.

I agree indian shia hate Pakistanis I experienced it when I was at Hajj. It was a great feeling when they invited me and my friends to eat dinner with them. They hate Pakistanis

 

[Trango Towers]

US is slowly but gradually building a narrative against Pakistan where another war can be justified this time to eliminate so called sanctuaries inside Pakistan just like so called WMDs in Iraq. And as usual heads of our government and those who matter in making our strategic calculus remains burred in sand.
So how many still want to believe that US is not a threat and the relations between US and Pakistan will never go to a point of conflict?
@war&peace @Irfan Baloch @MastanKhan @blain2 @snow lake @Mrc @Kaptaan @Jungibaaz

USA is an enemy state for sure. They speaks with to tongues. They will never be our friends and are actively using the Indians in Afghanistan. Indians belivebthis Americans are their friends but time will prove me right when Indians start arriving home in body bags. As far as paksitan is concerned it won't allow America to start a war in Pakistani territory and neither will China. American goal is to stop CPEC at all costs using the Indians. Paksitan and China know this. The is why previously chone has said Pakistan is our Israel and they have invested too much to allow the Indian and American ploy to succeed. Plus there are many a crazy general or we would call them brave sons of Pakistan that will ensure that there is no Israel if we die and much of Europe will my to waste if we go. Pakistan is not simple and every Pakistani has guns. Hell several in my house. 200 million of us. And they can't control 16 million Afghanis.

You are talking about TTP and ISIS not Taliban. Yes TTP and ISIS have joined hands but killing of Shias is being done by TTP JUA and ISIS-K which are funded by India.

Shias know India is killing them through their proxies and have decided to return the favor by asking their India Shias for help against India Gov. The Shia that went from India to Iraq and Syria in some reports have claimed that they will take revenge from India for it's atrocities on Hazara community.

Report so from times.co.uk.

 

[BHarwana]

Report so from times.co.uk.

You don't need times.co.uk for this It is mentioned on JUA wiki page. India funds them.

 

[war&peace]

One very simple question how will USA launch a war on Pakistan? USA and what army? USA uses Tom Hawks Pakistan will retaliate. Afghan forces will attack that will be their biggest foolish move. If Afghan forces attack Taliban will take out Kabul. India coming into this mess will result in a nuclear war that will turn into a MAD. These all are dreams it is dead lock. USA and India Afghanistan cannot do any thing that is why Pakistan is pushing USA. Because USA is help less.

You're underestimating your enemy so you're wrong.

You are forgetting Operation Neptune Spear, and it was just a tip of the iceberg.

In case of war, US will deploy assets that will jam and/or neutralize much of Pakistani defenses and utilize its elite forces to assault centers of power and key installations throughout the country in the same night. In-case you didn't knew, Pakistani nuclear warheads are kept in safe-zones and not mated with the missiles on 24/7 basis due to risks and costs involved. This gives US special forces a chance to conduct large-scale hit-and-run operations in the designated sectors of the country.

The aforementioned strategy is component of a contingency plan of Pentagon to take care of Pakistan in-case shit hits the fan. No! I am not joking.

As for the tomahawk cruise missiles; if just two USN vessels can unleash about 60 cruise missiles on a wide-range targets inside a hostile territory (as happened in Syria), imagine how many USN can unleash with a much larger deployment.

Bro, war is a terrible thing and we haven't seen a real one for a while. Stop assuming that Pakistan cannot be touched and/or harmed because we have nukes. At the end of the day, we are human beings with limitations.

You're over-estimating and rather exaggerating so you're wrong as well. I would suggest watch less of star wars because you've lost touch with the reality. What has stopped USA from doing this to Iran, NK or Syria?

The first mistake is to underestimate your enemy and in this case you are underestimating the worlds sole superpower, seriously? Lets not get ahead of ourselves. If US want to take us out, they very well can and they dont need large conventional forces to do that. For US its always the air dominance which can be achieved by them. Pakistan lacks strategic depth which can result in our assets rather taken out quickly.
The reason i mentioned our heads in sand because after 9/11 when we were threaten to be bombed back to stone age, since than we have done nothing. Yes we have the capability to hit US assets in the region but is it big enough of a threat to stop US from confronting Pakistan in an armed conflict? The answer is No.

I agree with you. It will take a strong leader with balls to take the decision and nation should rally behind him. We need to have a capability that we can hit any country in the world if we are attacked. No one can take away our fundamental right to defend our existence.

 

[BHarwana]

You're underestimating your enemy so you're wrong.

I am not underestimating them. Pakistan has defeated a Super power in Afghanistan before and can do it again. If USA will go to war with Pakistan much easier option would be to go to war with Taliban. A country that is not going to war with Taliban will not go to war with Pakistan this is just hot air from USA. Can Pakistan Army defeat Taliban? Yes it has and It can. Can USA army defeat Taliban not it has not and it cannot. If Pakistani lose soldiers we call them shaheed and keep visiting their graves If USA loses soldiers they lose votes and that matter to them very much.

 

[Dalit]

Fvck America and fvck India. They couldn’t even convince the world to stand with their ally Israel. India even backstabbed its own ally Israel.

We don’t be take these nations seriously. They are all talk.

 

[LeGenD]

LOL Pakistan is not a country like Panama where USA did this. Forget nukes lets imagine normal warfare. USA has currently 8000 boots in Afghanistan and totally located in close boundaries of Kabul and few named bases. If USA attacks hit those targets directly. Pakistan has many missiles focus them on straight of Harmoz on USA carriers groups no matter how good the aegis are they carry limited missiles so in the end they will get hit and burn to ground. It will take like 30 missile to sink an entire carrier group. Next problem is USA bomber carrying nuke simple if they use nukes use second strike capability subs on califorina which contributes 70% to USA economy and end it with MAD.

Oh dear.

Operation Neptune Spear happened in Pakistan, not in Panama. In-fact, Panama was also taught a lesson in 1990.

US retains a limited presence in Afghanistan just to ensure that Taliban does not achieve upper-hand over Afghan government in the conflict and politically; this is a (political) conflict and not a war for extermination. Since US has invested in Afghanistan over the course of years, it won't let Taliban have its way in the country until it is ready to embrace democratic reforms in Afghanistan just like other political entities.

US doesn't have much to loose in Afghanistan by the way and much of the offense will be coming from air and sea and directed towards centers of power and military targets inside Pakistan.

Now, do you understand how combat aircraft and missiles work? Target acquisition is necessary and access to radar systems is a must. Unfortunately for us, USAF can not only jam on-board sensors of PAF combat aircraft but do the same to radar installations on the ground (on a mass-scale, mind you). They can also knock-out those satellites in the space that may help Pakistani armed forces in the matters of target acquisition; they might be already marked as we speak.

Here are some assets that are very good at jamming defenses of an enemy:

http://www.boeing.com/defense/ea-18g-growler/
https://lockheedmartin.com/us/products/f22.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jstars/
http://www.boeing.com/history/products/b-2-spirit.page

US has spent lot of time in Afghanistan and you can expect that they have amassed a great deal of Intel about Pakistani defenses and strategic options over the course of years. You never fight a war without this kind of homework beforehand. US doesn't needs boots on the ground to assess and determine strategic locations across the country; they can acquire necessary information from a wide-range of assets from air and space. Learn more about these kind of operations from this link: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ica-keeps-watch-over-north-korea-from-the-sky

Unfortunately, surveillance is carried out in such ways, that nobody can point a finger at the US and say "hey WTF you doing." Much of the world has to live with this reality.

Next, you make it sound like as if targeting USN vessels across the breath of Arabian ocean is easy. Bro, ever been to an ocean? Expect USN vessels to be widely dispersed, in motion, and with their countermeasures activated to prevent incoming ballistic missiles and/or cruise missiles from getting them. Not just this, but they would be in action, launching a volley of cruise missiles deep inside Pakistan (hitting important target across the country) in the darkness of the night. USN can strike at hundreds of targets across the country in a short span, and at this rate, there won't be much left in Pakistan for offensive purpose.

How many ballistic missiles and/or cruise missiles Pakistan has in its inventory? Not many, I tell you.

As for the submarines; we do not have SLBMs at our disposal with unprecedented range and American anti-submarine warfare capabilities have evolved to a great extent over the course of years: https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2014-06/hunt-full-spectrum-asw

Should US ever go all-out against Pakistan, it is game-over for us. We might inflict some losses at most but we will be part of history books.

You have literally no idea how modern wars are fought, complexities involved and limitations of Pakistan in these matters. You watch ballistic missiles being tested on predesignated (stationary) targets and learn about Indo-Pak cross-border firing in LOC and you think that every aspect is being taken care off.

Please tell me! Are we super-humans or exempt from the laws of physics? We will just launch some missiles at the USN vessels across the Arabian sea and they will will not only locate their targets with magic but each will score a hit and sink the vessel. Right?

Seriously, this forum needs professionals who know what they are talking about.

 

[RowdyRathore]

I wonder why they call them Taliban and not Mujahidin like they used to ?

Mujahidin until they're fight against Soviet Union. Now they are Taliban = terrorist, according to them.

 

[BHarwana]

Oh dear.

Operation Neptune Spear happened in Pakistan, not in Panama. In-fact, Panama was also taught a lesson in 1990.

US retains a limited presence in Afghanistan just to ensure that Taliban does not achieve upper-hand over Afghan government in the conflict and politically; this is a (political) conflict and not a war for extermination. Since US has invested in Afghanistan over the course of years, it won't let Taliban have its way in the country until it is ready to embrace democratic reforms in Afghanistan just like other political entities.

US doesn't have much to loose in Afghanistan by the way and much of the offense will be coming from air and sea and directed towards centers of power and military targets inside Pakistan.

Now, do you understand how combat aircraft and missiles work? Target acquisition is necessary and access to radar systems is a must. Unfortunately for us, USAF can not only jam on-board sensors of PAF combat aircraft but do the same to radar installations on the ground (on a mass-scale, mind you). They can also knock-out those satellites in the space that may help Pakistani armed forces in the matters of target acquisition; they might be already marked as we speak.

Here are some assets that are very good at jamming defenses of an enemy:

http://www.boeing.com/defense/ea-18g-growler/
https://lockheedmartin.com/us/products/f22.html
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/jstars/
http://www.boeing.com/history/products/b-2-spirit.page

US has spent lot of time in Afghanistan and you can expect that they have amassed a great deal of Intel about Pakistani defenses and strategic options over the course of years. You never fight a war without this kind of homework beforehand. US doesn't needs boots on the ground to assess and determine strategic locations; they can acquire necessary information from a wide-range of assets from air and space. Learn more from this link: http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ica-keeps-watch-over-north-korea-from-the-sky

Next, you make it sound like as if targeting USN vessels across the breath of Arabian ocean is easy. Bro, ever been to an ocean? Expect USN vessels to be widely dispersed, in motion, and with their countermeasures activated to prevent incoming ballistic missiles and/or cruise missiles from getting them. Not just this, but they would be in action, launching a volley of cruise missiles deep inside Pakistan (hitting important target across the country) in the darkness of the night. USN can strike at hundreds of targets across the country in a short span, and at this rate, there won't be much left in Pakistan for offensive purpose.

How many ballistic missiles and/or cruise missiles Pakistan has in its inventory? Not many, I tell you.

Should US ever go all-out against Pakistan, it is game-over for us.

You have literally no idea how modern wars are fought, complexities involved and limitations of Pakistan in these matters. You watch ballistic missiles being tested on predesignated (stationary) targets and learn about Indo-Pak cross-border firing in LOC and you think that every aspect is being taken care off.

Please tell me! Are we super-humans or exempt from the laws of physics? We will just launch some missiles at the USN vessels across the Arabian sea and they will will not only locate their targets with magic but each will score a hit and sink the vessel. Very simple.

Seriously, this forum needs professionals who know what they are talking about.

@LeGenD my final question why did USA lost in Syria to Assad and Russia?

 

[LeGenD]

@LeGenD my final question why did USA lost in Syria to Assad and Russia?

US was not attacking Syrian regime and Russian forces; it was taking action against ISIS in the region (i.e. Operation Inherent Resolve). More importantly, US came into Syria in 2014 absolutely uninvited and has made a mockery of Syrian sovereignty since.

Russians came into Syria after "assurances" from the Obama administration in 2013 that it will not offer resistance (behind-the-scenes). Here: https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...ian-deal-on-syria-a-victory-for-assad/279680/

This is the only known incident of American aggression against Syrian regime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Shayrat_missile_strike

Not only Syrian and Russian defenses failed to counter those cruise missiles but Russians abandoned that base before the attack. Russians were notified of this attack 2 hours in advance, actually.

US came into Syria because ISIS movement had spilled over into Syria from Iraq in 2014 and US wasn't taking any chances. Situation was similar to Taliban having a footprint in both Afghanistan and Pakistan but ISIS was relatively a much larger and stronger force.

Now that ISIS has been decisively routed from Syria and Iraq, Trump administration is shifting its attention to Afghanistan. Difference is that Afghanistan is in the shoes of Iraq and Pakistan is in the shoes of Syria. This is why they are issuing all kinds of threats to Pakistan lately.

Everything clear now?

 

[BHarwana]

US was not attacking Syrian regime and Russia in Syria; it was taking action against ISIS (i.e. Operation Inherent Resolve). More importantly, US came into Syria in 2014 absolutely uninvited and has made a mockery of Syrian sovereignty since.

Russians came into Syria after "assurances" from the Obama administration in 2013 that it will not offer resistance (behind-the-scenes). Here: https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...ian-deal-on-syria-a-victory-for-assad/279680/

This is the only known incident of American aggression against Syrian regime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Shayrat_missile_strike

Not only Syrian and Russian defenses failed to counter those cruise missiles but Russians abandoned that base before the attack. Russians were notified of this attack 2 hours in advance, actually.

Everything clear now?

US came into Syria because ISIS movement had spilled over into Syria from Iraq in 2014 and US wasn't taking any chances. Situation was similar to Taliban having a footprint in both Afghanistan and Pakistan but ISIS was relatively a much larger and stronger force.

Now that ISIS has been decisively routed from Syria and Iraq, Trump administration is shifting its attention to Afghanistan. Difference is that Afghanistan is in the shoes of Iraq and Pakistan is in the shoes of Syria. This is why they are issuing all kinds of threats to Pakistan lately.

Why was USA not attacking Syria?

 

[LeGenD]

Why was USA not attacking Syria?

Because POTUS Obama had made a campaign promise to the American society that he will de-escalate all conflicts and promote peace. In lieu with this campaign promise, Obama administration pulled American forces out of Iraq in 2011 (after desired level of stability had been achieved in the country) and significantly reduced American footprint in Afghanistan in 2014.

However, Obama administration also got its hands dirty by bringing about "regime change" in Libya in 2011 which led to closure of the chapter of Muammar Gaddafi. What is the outcome? US did its thing but Libya is a mess.

Nonetheless, Obama was reluctant to repeat the "regime change" scenario in Syria after intervention in Libya.

FYI: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/30/obamas-promise-of-ending-us-wars-broken-by-islamic/

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Toppling regimes is not a sound foreign policy because livelihoods are destroyed and instability takes its course in the affected regions. In-fact, affected regions can turn into breeding grounds for new kinds of terror-networks. This is apparent from developments in Iraq and Libya.

Pakistan is also at the point of fatigue in its War on Terror. I tell you what we can do! Convince China to step-in and reason with the US.

 

[BHarwana]

Because POTUS Obama had made a campaign promise to the American society that he will de-escalate all conflicts and promote peace. In lieu with this campaign promise, Obama administration pulled American forces out of Iraq in 2011 (after desired level of stability had been achieved in the country) and significantly reduced American footprint in Afghanistan in 2014.

However, Obama administration also got its hands dirty by bringing about "regime change" in Libya in 2011 which led to closure of the chapter of Muammar Gaddafi. What is the outcome? US did its thing but Libya is a mess.

Nonetheless, Obama was reluctant to repeat the "regime change" scenario in Syria after intervention in Libya.

FYI: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/30/obamas-promise-of-ending-us-wars-broken-by-islamic/

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Toppling regimes is not a sound foreign policy because livelihoods are destroyed and instability takes its course in the affected regions. In-fact, affected regions can turn into breeding grounds for new kinds of terror-networks. This is apparent from developments in Iraq and Libya.

Pakistan is also at the point of fatigue in its War on Terror. I tell you what we can do! Convince China to step-in and reason with the US.

hmm so what makes you think USA will fight a war with Pakistan?

 

[Path-Finder]

US was not attacking Syrian regime and Russian forces; it was taking action against ISIS in the region (i.e. Operation Inherent Resolve). More importantly, US came into Syria in 2014 absolutely uninvited and has made a mockery of Syrian sovereignty since.

Russians came into Syria after "assurances" from the Obama administration in 2013 that it will not offer resistance (behind-the-scenes). Here: https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...ian-deal-on-syria-a-victory-for-assad/279680/

This is the only known incident of American aggression against Syrian regime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Shayrat_missile_strike

Not only Syrian and Russian defenses failed to counter those cruise missiles but Russians abandoned that base before the attack. Russians were notified of this attack 2 hours in advance, actually.

US came into Syria because ISIS movement had spilled over into Syria from Iraq in 2014 and US wasn't taking any chances. Situation was similar to Taliban having a footprint in both Afghanistan and Pakistan but ISIS was relatively a much larger and stronger force.

Now that ISIS has been decisively routed from Syria and Iraq, Trump administration is shifting its attention to Afghanistan. Difference is that Afghanistan is in the shoes of Iraq and Pakistan is in the shoes of Syria. This is why they are issuing all kinds of threats to Pakistan lately.

Everything clear now?

you do an excellent job of presenting the narrative of the US and putting the fear of mighty US in our little hearts. Who granted the US the license to be the policeman in this world? The US has failed in Syria not won! It has to now drink its own bath water and talk to the man they wanted to oust. Hell even the current POTUS accused of obama admin of supporting isis!

 

[Basel]

they will to counter u s

Pakistan should use Russia as front face to provide any support to TTA who are friendly with Pakistan.