Peeved IAF Looks Beyond Russia To Revive Ilyushins

[MilSpec]

So true

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Tell that to the scores of Indian pilots dead flying MIG21's, BTW when is the gorshkov coming we have fully paid and repaid for it.

hi,

you might want to pose a few question to you netas that you elected regarding mig 21...

what is mig 21 still doing in active service?

how many intermediate jet trainers are available for pilots flying mig 21?

why are rookie pilots even allowed to fly a complicated mach 2 interceptor?

why is LCA MK1 which is still much more efficient than mig 21 not in service?

Rang de basanti bullcrap is good on tv... please ask f16 drivers in gwalior exercises, how mig21 Bisons handed their a$$es down to them...

 

[OrionHunter]

Yeah, well time to move forward in relations....you want to dwell on the past ...fine go ahead....and watch China jump leaps ahead ......while they assist Pakistan to gain equality whenever India moves ahead in any sphere. Wake up...you are still complaining about the past.....so plz to you and others like you who spew this garabage the US past actions towards India....plz understand the geo political realities of the time and stop SCCREWING YOURSELVES OVER...

Uh oh! Here we go again! Time for you to revisit the old adage, in case you've forgotten:

ONCE BITTEN, TWICE SHY!

What can America do to promise NOT TO SCREW US AGAIN? Precious little!! Except waffle around with the usual 'strategic partnership' mumbo jumbo that's not worth the paper it's written on! Geeez!

 

[EurofighterIN]

So true

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Tell that to the scores of Indian pilots dead flying MIG21's, BTW when is the gorshkov coming we have fully paid and repaid for it.

How is that Russia's fault when India itself chooses to fly 40yr old fighters that most countries have retired?

 

[harpoon]

Tell that to the scores of Indian pilots dead flying MIG21's, BTW when is the gorshkov coming we have fully paid and repaid for it.

The million dollar question is why are we still flying Mig-21s?

 

[harpoon]

Yeah, well time to move forward in relations....you want to dwell on the past ...fine go ahead....and watch China jump leaps ahead ......while they assist Pakistan to gain equality whenever India moves ahead in any sphere. Wake up...you are still complaining about the past.....The British colonized and looted India....yet you have moved forward....so plz to you and others like you who spew this garabage the US past actions towards India....plz understand the geo political realities of the time and stop SCCREWING YOURSELVES OVER...

While hoping for the best, we should prepare for the worst.

Today we have a very good relation with US, but we just cannot forget what they did to us in the past and whats the guarantee that US will not dump India as they did to Pakistan if the situation demands it.

 

[pmukherjee]

So true

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Tell that to the scores of Indian pilots dead flying MIG21's, BTW when is the gorshkov coming we have fully paid and repaid for it.

No Johnny come lately, I will not tell them that. You tell them that. You also tell them how they are flying a fighter which was designed in 1954 and first flew in 1958 still forms the backbone of the IAF in 2011. The Mig 21s were designed to combat the US F-104s and F-5s, they were a great and a revolutionary design of their era. A pure delta winged interceptor with afterburner flight capable of Mach 2+ speeds. But you have to explain to the IAF pilots why they are still flying these fighters today when the F-104s and the F-5s have been sitting in museums for the past three decades and more. The Mig 21s were great fighters of their era, but that era has passed 40 years ago. While you are at it, you can also explain why the IAF Chief even in 2011 does not have the guts to retire the 'flying coffins' as you call them. Whose fault is it? Are the Russians to blame for the IAF flying a fighter which Russia retired in the 1970s. After all, it was the Russians who made the SU-30 MKI Flankers, no? No one seems to be having problems with the Flankers, why? The IAF loves them, right? A wise guy called Carlo Kopp who calls himself a defense analyst in Australia feels that the Flankers with China, India, Malaysia and Indonesia are a cognizable threat to Australia and that US F-18 Super Hornets are not the answer to the Flankers.

Lack of knowledge is not a bad thing. But passing judgement based on ignorance is not such a good idea.

 

[misterme2]

hi,

you might want to pose a few question to you netas that you elected regarding mig 21...

what is mig 21 still doing in active service?

how many intermediate jet trainers are available for pilots flying mig 21?

why are rookie pilots even allowed to fly a complicated mach 2 interceptor?

why is LCA MK1 which is still much more efficient than mig 21 not in service?

Rang de basanti bullcrap is good on tv... please ask f16 drivers in gwalior exercises, how mig21 Bisons handed their a$$es down to them...

LOL plz ask the same pilots how they trained with some of their equipment turned "off"....typical happy about nothing.


At first, Indian pilots beating the american pilots caught my attention.
But after doing a big of research, I discovered that these dog fight games were only done under VISUAL range distances. The american pilots were not allowed to use their long range weapon systems, which is what is used in combat 95% of the time. Dog fighting is dead.
The results are therefore null and void.

 

[misterme2]

So true

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Tell that to the scores of Indian pilots dead flying MIG21's, BTW when is the gorshkov coming we have fully paid and repaid for it.

The funniest thing is how some rationalize Russian equipment as economical without taking into account the biggest factor, ensuring the safety of the pilot first and foremost!!!!

 

[Tshering22]

no mate the IAF will be keeping the IL76
as the c17 are a supplement to them .

The ILs are nearing their service lives. Except for the 78 tanker series, everything else is relic. The C-17 is meant to not just augment but gradually phase out the IL-76. The C-130J was also added with the same intention; replacement in long run. Ils were fine transporters but they've lived their lives.

We need transporters ready 24/7 for emergencies and cannot afford to keep them for erratic after-sales support. What recently happened in my state, is the example of a classic emergency.

 

[misterme2]

No Johnny come lately, I will not tell them that. You tell them that. You also tell them how they are flying a fighter which was designed in 1954 and first flew in 1958 still forms the backbone of the IAF in 2011. The Mig 21s were designed to combat the US F-104s and F-5s, they were a great and a revolutionary design of their era. A pure delta winged interceptor with afterburner flight capable of Mach 2+ speeds. But you have to explain to the IAF pilots why they are still flying these fighters today when the F-104s and the F-5s have been sitting in museums for the past three decades and more. The Mig 21s were great fighters of their era, but that era has passed 40 years ago. While you are at it, you can also explain why the IAF Chief even in 2011 does not have the guts to retire the 'flying coffins' as you call them. Whose fault is it? Are the Russians to blame for the IAF flying a fighter which Russia retired in the 1970s. After all, it was the Russians who made the SU-30 MKI Flankers, no? No one seems to be having problems with the Flankers, why? The IAF loves them, right? A wise guy called Carlo Kopp who calls himself a defense analyst in Australia feels that the Flankers with China, India, Malaysia and Indonesia are a cognizable threat to Australia and that US F-18 Super Hornets are not the answer to the Flankers.

Lack of knowledge is not a bad thing. But passing judgement based on ignorance is not such a good idea.

So plz tell me why they are still flying these coffins.....they are good right? But lack of parts and spares equals many, many deaths. Not good right? As for the reason for still flying them in the IAF, don;t you think it may have to do with the issue of money and budgets? Maybe, ingrained corruption in the military? I mean, the airforce was neglected fo upgrades for HOW LONG?????????????????????????

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The ILs are nearing their service lives. Except for the 78 tanker series, everything else is relic. The C-17 is meant to not just augment but gradually phase out the IL-76. The C-130J was also added with the same intention; replacement in long run. Ils were fine transporters but they've lived their lives.

We need transporters ready 24/7 for emergencies and cannot afford to keep them for erratic after-sales support. What recently happened in my state, is the example of a classic emergency.

YOu are absolutely right.....the IL-76 are great planes even now but the lack of Russian spares and maintenance issues is costing INdian lives too much to be worth it anymore when there are more better choices available......To the other posters, your military deserves the best, stop making excuses.....

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

MAkes no sense why you guys keep on supporting some of the Russian junk at the expenxe of Indian preparedness and ability to wage battle. I mean, friendship is important but so is respect for the lives that are endangered by such issues as parts and repairs. More than likely, there must be a corruption angle....only way to nip corruption is to send a strong msg...start cutting heads off.

to be the devil's advocate, Russia is not responsible for all the air crashes IAF has been facing

the responsibility lies on indian to maintain those aircrafts and keep them in fly-worthy condition. There doesn't seem to be much emphasis on their part for flight safety

 

[Tshering22]

to be the devil's advocate, Russia is not responsible for all the air crashes IAF has been facing

the responsibility lies on indian to maintain those aircrafts and keep them in fly-worthy condition. There doesn't seem to be much emphasis on their part for flight safety

That is correct mate. I never blamed Russia for GOI's corruption and evil. The other face of this is that when spares run erratic from the supplier, then we have to consider alternatives that are simply better. It doesn't ruin the existential relationship in any way and instead plays a catalyst in normalizing any existing differences.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

it's not cheaper in the long-run to get oem spares from former-soviet countries who have those parts sitting on some dusty shelf for decades...and proof of that is when you lose aircrafts like Mig-21s, you lose pilots too

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

You can't Trust US of "A" !! Enough examples are there around the world! There unnecessary meddling and hidden clause and law's are sh!t ,may be they deliver at time they are NOT trusted partners!! Its only Interests keep in mind!! Its not too long ago when US was against us !!

Russia(Former USSR) is our "All weather friend" and "Time tested" and our oldest Ally!! We owe to much to them!! Keep in mind the History!!

 

[pmukherjee]

So plz tell me why they are still flying these coffins.....they are good right? But lack of parts and spares equals many, many deaths. Not good right? As for the reason for still flying them in the IAF, don;t you think it may have to do with the issue of money and budgets? Maybe, ingrained corruption in the military? I mean, the airforce was neglected fo upgrades for HOW LONG?????????????????????????

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Ingrained corruption in the military? The Indian military does not have the final say in foreign acquisitions. Why are the Migs still flying? You tell me. You are smart enough to know the answer. When did the quest for the LCA begin? When did the quest for the MMRCA begin? Do we see light at the end of the tunnel finally? Will you blame the Russians for the delay? Perhaps the Russians are bribing DRDO so that LCA can be delayed so that IAF can buy MMRCA from Europe? All combinations and permutations are possible. To the ignorant, the sky is the limit.

You will pardon me for not responding to any more of your posts. Regards.