Peace in war-torn Afghanistan only via Kashmir, Pakistan tells US

[GumNaam]

Well its exactly like your world except I'm not delusional .

Well its exactly like your world except I'm not delusional .

 

[GumNaam]

You do realize you are spamming the thread at this point .

Exactly , its mafia level blackmail.idk how USA has tolerated working with them to this point . I expect Hillary & trump to segregate themself more from Pakistan, especially Hillary , seeing her reaction to OBL raid .

Wake up and smell the coffee, your new bed mate is fast becoming an irrelevant has been.

 

[X-2.]

This blackmail do not work !

S polite warning and briefings before we go to another stage

Don't know what Mushahid Hussein is implying here, but it will not sit well with US. Americans don't want to get involved in any tussle between India and Pakistan. So how will Pakistan respond if US says 'no?'

Would like to see this from a Pakistan news source too.

It will better for Pakistan if America doesn't involve in future toothis is what Pakistan wants

 

[A-Team]

You are now just a bargaining chip. Bridges have been burned. Geo-politically Afghanistan has been lumped in with India and you will see same danda applied to both.

Just waiting for refugees to be gone and then new foreign policy on Afghanistan will emerge and it will not be pretty.

You seem to forget that Pak backed insurgency ongoing for a decade now, whats new?
As for refugees its good that they are coming so at least it takes away one of your cards.

 

[Falcon26]

Excellent points raised by the Pakistani delegation but in a subdued and polite tone. Hopefully they learn soon that subdued and polite tones don't work well in DC. Also poor preparation by the Pakistani embassy. There should have been more Pakistani-American members in the audience. Indians with Muslim names were collected by the World Hindu Council guy to present carefully prepared questions to hijack the discussion. Naturally in these sorts of discussion, you bring your own people to neutralize the Hindu nationalist brigade. Again, hopefully the Pakistani embassy learns this soon, as well.

Overall, great discussion. Enjoyed watching it.

 

[Bratva]

Man you are a think tank analyst.

All I can say is...
Qatil ho phr b Mazloom ho tm!
Sab ko Maloom hai Phir b Na-Maloom ho Tum!

Any recent case of isolation Pakistan faced ? I know you have a very narrow mind to analyse things, but still I like to hear specefic cases where Pakistan faces isolation in matters vis a vis where Afghanistan or India scored one up on Pakistan

This is implied admission of Pakistan's involvement in the turmoil in Afghanistan. They are using Afghanistan to blackmail the world on Kashmir. The two places have no connection. Absolutely shameful Pakistan. Why make the Afghans suffer for something that has nothing to do with them ?

It is rich coming from you. Have you shamed America or Russia or Iran in such a way ? Because What Pakistan is doing in Afghanistan is same what America is doing in Syria. But I dont see any shame from you to those who are illegally involved in Syria ? Hypocrisy much ?

Or what about your involvement in srilanka, Maldives which you invaded, or the Bangladesh or Nepal ? So dont think for a second you are on some high moral ground. When it comes to indian interests you will done the same thing.

But to think all that requires a highly active and analytical mind you surely dont have.

 

[Jana Assassin]

what ever... go and do what ever your indian army can do ... stupid MODI cannot do anything , jsut lie on the media thats all..

Another guy still believing the lies peddled by the pak army and establishment??

 

[Bratva]

That is oxymoron my friend and look where it has brought Pakistan into, a country whose civilians are begging the miltiary to change course because nobody in the world is listening to them anymore.
It also provides one more reason for Afghans to create strong institution because on one hand Pakistan complains that the Afghan issue is only because Durand Line and now its attaching Afghan security to Kashmire, next it will be Afghan security connected to Pakistani interests in Africa

We as Afghans couldn't care less whether you make peace with India or not, just keep us away from your wars and if you try to bring to Afghanistan which you have been then you will feel the heat as well.

Pathetic logic.



This blackmail has been ongoing for a while, first they said if assistance to Pakistan is stopped Pakistan will do this and that,US assistance is going downwards, then they said if F16s are not provided to Pakistan then there will be hell [ nothing happend] , next time it will be if Pakistan is not provided a share in the dimonds of Congo then no peace with Afghanistan.

The leadership in Pakistan seems to think the world is run by idiots.

Actually most of the people in their narrow mindedness and bias seems to forget very obvious things that How afghanistan is linked to kashmir


1. Why India teamed up with Afghanistan to Create insurgency in Balochistan and FATA starting from 2006 ?

India wants a payback for Kashmir Insurgency. Simple is that. Afghanistan northern warlords want Durand line eliminated and Pak based lands be immersed in to Afghanistan

If you want Pakistan to leave you alone, Are you willing to leave Balochistan, FATA and Durand line alone in Particular and Pakistan in General ?

It was not Pakistan who brought India into Afghanistan It was Northern warlords of Afghanistan who invited India so that they can create trouble for Pakistan

It take two to tango. Faulting Pakistan for everything while ignoring whatever you guys are doing to Pakistan since 2006 is a hypocrisy of highest degree.

If you want honesty in relationships, stop Backstabbing Pakistan and Pakistan will reciprocate in kind. Simple as that

Another guy still believing the lies peddled by the pak army and establishment??

Here comes one of the 90 percent indiots who believes you can deny the Pakistani facts with mere words instead of some hard physical evidence

 

[A-Team]

Actullay most of the people in their narrow mindedness and biasness seems to forget very obvious things that How afghanistan is linked to kashmir


1. Why India teamed up with Afghanistan to Create insurgency in Balochistan and FATA starting from 2006 ?

India wants a payback for Kashmir Insurgency. Simple is that. Afghanistan northern warlords want Durand line eliminated and Pak based lands be immersed in to Afghanistan

If you want Pakistan to leave you alone, Are you willing to leave Balochistan, FATA and Durand line alone in Particular and Pakistan in General ?

It was not Pakistan who brought India into Afghanistan It was Northern warlords of Afghanistan who invited India so that they can create trouble for Pakistan

It take two to tango. Faulting Pakistan for everything while ignoring whatever you guys are doing to Pakistan since 2006 is a hypocrisy of highest degree.

If you want honesty in relationships, stop Backstabbing Pakistan and Pakistan will reciprocate in kind. Simple as that



Here comes one of the 90 percent indiots who believes you can deny the Pakistani facts with mere words instead of some hard physical evidence

Good questions and there is a simple to answer to this, how about we take your complaints vis-a-vis Afghanistan such as support to TTP, BLA, etc etc and we take our complaints againsts you such Afghan Talis, Haqqanis etc and we appoint China as the third party when we collectively take actions against these complains, so that China can verify it?

Well guess what Pakistani gov declined this offer. So before you come here and start lecturing me or Afghans on co-operating on BLA, TTP blah blah, you should ask your gov first on why they have declined such an offer.

Besides you trust China, dont you? So why not take the offer?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

$33 billion is not peanuts.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/pakaid.pdf

But go ahead and make the demand. It will be interesting to see how US responds.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1262750/pa...feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+dawn-news+(Dawn+News)

Pakistan suffered loss of $188bn during war on terror, says Dar

As as said, there is no strategic value for us, unless rules of the game are changed. And they will change from now on.

Let's be clear here, it is Pakistan raising the stakes by linking Afghanistan with Kashmir. US is trying to be neutral on Kashmir, but making this demand you may as well push US to India on Kashmir.

We are telling US to use it influence over India when it comes to Kashmir and get its interests sorted out in Afghanistan. Its statecraft.

Containing China is in India's interests regardless of who is in charge in New Delhi. And it's US interests also. Things would really have to bad between India and US to reach the level you are talking about.

Let's see what happens. This is a statement from Sen. Mushahid Hussein. We will see if Pakistan confirms that is is indeed their official position

Indeed, however if India under the influence of Hindu terrorists focus all their energies towards Pakistan instead of China, its not serving US core interests. If the war hysteria actually trigger a war between Pakistan and India, all american investment in India will go down the drain where China will become more dominant power in the aftermath. They will do the required surgery on India to stay focused on China.

 

[Hassan Guy]

Thats true

 

[Leo~Calicratis]

That is oxymoron my friend and look where it has brought Pakistan into, a country whose civilians are begging the miltiary to change course because nobody in the world is listening to them anymore.
It also provides one more reason for Afghans to create strong institution because on one hand Pakistan complains that the Afghan issue is only because Durand Line and now its attaching Afghan security to Kashmire, next it will be Afghan security connected to Pakistani interests in Africa

We as Afghans couldn't care less whether you make peace with India or not, just keep us away from your wars and if you try to bring to Afghanistan which you have been then you will feel the heat as well.

Pathetic logic.



This blackmail has been ongoing for a while, first they said if assistance to Pakistan is stopped Pakistan will do this and that,US assistance is going downwards, then they said if F16s are not provided to Pakistan then there will be hell [ nothing happend] , next time it will be if Pakistan is not provided a share in the dimonds of Congo then no peace with Afghanistan.

The leadership in Pakistan seems to think the world is run by idiots.

owh yeah! think if Pakistan could bag Iran (because Islamabad is more reasonably needed for Iran's future than Delhi) afgayns could b stranded within as this poppy blessed country is a landlocked piece. India's more engagement with israhell n States dilusionized their approach towards Iran. with an economy based mostly on poppy and us donations Kabul never ever b able to fight an alliance comprised of Pakistan-China along with Turkey & Saudi. so don't b moronic depending on that bollywoody/Tamil hero named ajit kumer duval

 

[A-Team]

owh yeah! think if Pakistan could bag Iran (because Islamabad is more reasonably needed for Iran's future than Delhi) afgayns could b stranded within as this poppy blessed country is a landlocked piece. India's more engagement with israhell n States dilusionized their approach towards Iran. with an economy based mostly on poppy and us donations Kabul never ever b able to fight an alliance comprised of Pakistan-China along with Turkey & Saudi. so don't b moronic depending on that bollywoody/Tamil hero named ajit kumer duval

What? Where, what an on earth is this with all due respect my bangali friend ( I have many ) why would on earth Afghanistan be against all these countries that you mentioned, and we are not in anyone's came, we are in our own camp which is Afghanistan first.

Saudi, Turkey, China alliance against Afghanistan based on what interests? Why would any of these countries screw up their relationship for Pakistan? What has turkey got to do with Afghanistan vis-a-vis Pakistan.

Iran joining Saudi backed alliance ? What alliance

Man please don't take this personally but this is the most ridiculous argument ever, it so bad it makes me want to throw up

Peace

 

[Bratva]

Good questions and there is a simple to answer to this, how about we take your complaints vis-a-vis Afghanistan such as support to TTP, BLA, etc etc and we take our complaints againsts you such Afghan Talis, Haqqanis etc and we appoint China as the third party when we collectively take actions against these complains, so that China can verify it?

Well guess what Pakistani gov declined this offer. So before you come here and start lecturing me or Afghans on co-operating on BLA, TTP blah blah, you should ask your gov first on why they have declined such an offer.

Besides you trust China, dont you? So why not take the offer?

We the collective Pakistani members have been asking you to proof where China offered that to Pakistan and Pakistan refused ?

I dont know whats your problem that you keep repeating unverified thing or a lie again and again which doesnt happened as a matter of fact. Instead of asking from my government, why dont I ask you about the source of your preposterous claim ?

 

[A-Team]

We the collective Pakistani members have been asking you to proof where China offered that to Pakistan and Pakistan refused ?

I dont know whats your problem that you keep repeating unverified thing or a lie again and again which doesnt happened as a matter of fact. Instead of asking from my government, why dont I ask you about the source of your preposterous claim ?

The offer was made by Afghanistan and not China, Afghanistan asked Pakistan to let China verify our mutual actions,
Pakistan declined.