Pashtuns got 'Khan' title from Turk Sultans of Delhi , not Mongols

[Samandri]

Not low castes but high caste converts adopted pathan etc identity and were asharaf muslims, while low castes were ajlaf.

I dont understand why Rajputs needed to assume Pathan identity after conversion to Islam when the concept of Muslim Rajput exists e.g those of Mewat. It seems to me Rajputs attached Khan surname after accepting Islam , as it was customary for muslim nobles in India and ignorant people of later generations started calling them Pathans due to Khan name.

Converts from Low castes, were more keen to assume identity of the ruling muslim class.......Those who didnt assumed fake identities and kept their ancestral professions, were called ajlafs. Basically ajlafs are genuine people, while most of the ashrafs in India are fake.

 

[Kabira]

I dont understand why Rajputs needed to assume Pathan identity after conversion to Islam when the concept of Muslim Rajput exists e.g those of Mewat. It seems to me Rajputs attached Khan surname after accepting Islam , as it was customary for muslim nobles in India and ignorant people of later generations started calling them Pathans due to Khan name.

Converts from Low castes, were more keen to assume identity of the ruling muslim class.......Those who didnt assumed fake identities and kept their ancestral professions, were called ajlafs. Basically ajlafs are genuine people, while most of the ashrafs in India are fake.

But they did, probably to still differentiate between low caste and high caste. Its well known fact by other hindu rajputs. Any brahman/rajput in gangetic plains who converted went by name of pathan. Thats why a part from ashraf-ajlaf thing. There was also different category of pathans. Nasli and divani pathans. Nasli mean by birth and divani mean rajpit/brahman converts.


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To be honest many people in punjab also claim fake ancestry, baig, mughals, arabs, or some claim to have came with Ghazni etc only certain tribes do not claim foreign ancestry despite converting.

 

[Desert Fox]

Dont know bout 1000 years for mainland India especially below Central India, but current region of Pakistan indeed was ruled for 1000 years by the invaders and ur ancestors where the victims. Thats a well accepted FACT even within ur country.

Hmm, are you sure present day india, who's capital Delhi, which ironically was the capital of successive Muslim conquerors/empires, was never ruled by Islamic dynasties for centuries?

Tughlaq Dynasty:

Mughal Empire:

Suri Dynasty

Everytime you bharatis claim you were never conquered and ruled by Muslim conquerors
one only has to counter such drivel with a picture of the Taj Mahal :

 

[IrbiS]

@GURU DUTT it's about time you read something beyond wikipedia. He was super excited other day to know that we borrowed surname from Chengez ( Mongols ) after they devastated the region

 

[Kabira]

It's funny that a lot of macheras and mussalis are Khokhars now, and take pride of characters like Sirkap etc. We're made to believe that the ferocious Khokhars of medieval era transformed into docile men, unfit for fighting. I believe only Jhang and Pind Dadan Khan regions have true Khokhars left who claim a rajput descent and are actually land owners + fighters.

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Khokhars near Chenab river villages from where Sheikha Khokhar and Jasrath khokhar hailed are also real.

 

[Samandri]

Khokhars near Chenab river villages from where Sheikha Khokhar and Jasrath khokhar hailed are also real.

I dont understand where the Khokars, who were very powerful in medieval times and appear to be numerous, have disappeared to?......I do not hear much about Khokars in the history after Jasrath. Any idea why they lost power and what is their history during reign of Mughals?
@ghoul

 

[WAR-rior]

Hmm, are you sure present day india, who's capital Delhi, which ironically was the capital of successive Muslim conquerors/empires, was never ruled by Islamic dynasties for centuries?

Tughlaq Dynasty:

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Mughal Empire:

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Suri Dynasty

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Everytime you bharatis claim you were never conquered and ruled by Muslim conquerors
one only has to counter such drivel with a picture of the Taj Mahal :

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Tughlaq and Mughals. calculate the total years and tell us. Hope along with lack of higher education in Pak, Maths is atleast existent.

 

[Desert Fox]

Tughlaq and Mughals. calculate the total years and tell us. Hope along with lack of higher education in Pak, Maths is atleast existent.

So Muslims never conquered and ruled india for centuries??

Right, the biggest proof is here :

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Muslims left a legacy in your bharat mata, a legacy which you two faced bharatis rush to claim when it benefits you and then disown to prove that you were never ruled by foreigners (as you are doing right now). Your ancestors threw their women at the feet of Muslim conquerors, filling up the Harems of Mughal & Afghan Kings and Sultans with hindu concubines and slaves in order to gain special privileges from the conquerors. And when the British invaded you repeated the same cycle with them.

 

[WAR-rior]

So Muslims never conquered and ruled india for centuries??

Right, the biggest proof is here :

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Muslims left a legacy in your bharat mata, a legacy which you two faced bharatis rush to claim when it benefits you and then disown to prove that you were never ruled by foreigners (as you are doing right now). Your ancestors threw their women at the feet of Muslim conquerors, filling up the Harems of Mughal & Afghan Kings and Sultans with hindu concubines and slaves in order to gain special privileges from the conquerors. And when the British invaded you repeated the same cycle with them.

Cut ur bullshit. Prove ur 1000 yr theory or shut up. Period.

 

[Desert Fox]

Cut ur bullshit. Prove ur 1000 yr theory or shut up. Period.

Don't get mad Muslims ruled you bharatis for centuries.

Next time you take pride in the Taj Mahal, remember it was the result of centuries of Muslim rule over bharat mata.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Most pathans in India are fake, high caste rajputs and brahmins converts started to claim being pathans.

You have to take into account that the Hindu society is built on caste and many converts to Islam took "Khan" as surname to identify with the Muslims. Pashtuns do not have monopoly on the Khan surname. Khan is a Mogolian word meaning "military leader" nothing to do with the Pashtuns.

 

[Kabira]

You have to take into account that the Hindu society is built on caste and many converts to Islam took "Khan" as surname to identify with the Muslims. Pashtuns do not have monopoly on the Khan surname. Khan is a Mogolian word meaning "military leader" nothing to do with the Pashtuns.

True but they claimed to be pathans and not just khan.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Next time you take pride in the Taj Mahal, remember

It is "Mumtaz Mahal" which shortened to Taj Mahal. Our eastern neighbors pronounce Z as J and J as Z. So Mumtaz turned into Mumtaj and then shortened to Taj. My friend Ejaz was called Ezaj while my Indian professor in university called Zero as Jero. It was hilarious !

 

[Desert Fox]

It is "Mumtaz Mahal" which shortened to Taj Mahal. Our eastern neighbors pronounce Z as J and J as Z. So Mumtaz turned into Mumtaj and then shortened to Taj. My friend Ejaz was called Ezaj while my Indian professor in university called Zero as Jero. It was hilarious !

I thought Taj = Crown and thus Taj Mahal = Crown Palace??

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

I thought Taj = Crown and thus Taj Mahal = Crown Palace??

Shah Jahan built Mumtaz Mahal Mausoleum in honor of his wife Mumtaz Mahal.

Mumtaz Mahal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

''Mumtaz Mahal'' (1 September 1593 -17 June 1631) meaning "the chosen one of the palace") was a Mughal Empress and chief consort of emperor Shah Jahan. The Taj Mahal in Agra was constructed by her husband as her final resting place.