Pashto words in Urdu

[Mian Babban]

Saif ali khan is direct descender of Lodhi royal dynasty AFAIK.

Which is a fake claim made by his father (in the interview he did not claim to be from royal house of Lodi but from one of the noble serving the royals). They are actually descendants of Barech Pashtuns who migrated to India in late 18th century and dispossessed Baloch nawabs of Hariana from their jagirs. They were confirmed in their possessions by East India Company who have recorded all details about Pataudi and other estates.

Hahaha as if you know. Lodhi's, Sher shah suri etc. and their descendents were not part of any tribal pashtun culture your's and changed their life style centuries ago. Their descendants don't identify with your pathetic lifestyle and neither did they. They were part and parcel of ashrafi culture in India along with people of turik descent and looked down on tribals like you

Its your ignorance speaking. Bahlul Lodi and Farid Khan Sur were parts of extensive clan systems of Pashtuns, thats why they were able to summon their tribesmen from Pakhtunkhwa whenever the occasion demanded. Bahlul Lodi was from Shahu Khel branch of Prangi tribe which was then settled at Daman and Farid Khan was from Shera Khel branch of Sur tribe who were then settled on the banks of Gomal river. Both were Pashto speakers and strong Pashtun-ists. They had not arrived from Pakhtunkhwa "centuries" ago. Bahlul's grandfather and Sher Shah's father (accompanying his grandfather) migrated from Pakhtunkhwa. They were tribals and in fact were looked down upon by urbanized and Persianized Turks of India because of their tribal life style and crude ways . Read their histories

Buddy these are not tall claims. From my fathers side family of my grandfather is from the family of nawabs of Hyderabad deccan who are siddiqis of turik descent, grandmother(fathers side) is from the paigha family (prime ministers to nawabs of hyderabad) and syeds of turik descent. From mothers side my grandmother's grandfather was a renowned scholar and maulana shibli Nomani was one of his students. His name was also mentioned by him recorded in matric book in Pakistan some time ago. My maternal grandfather's grandfather was the chief military(police) officer of Rampur state.

Good for you. Still you and your family has nothing to do with us and our history

 

[icebreaker2]

Which is a fake claim made by his father (in the interview he did not claim to be from royal house of Lodi but from one of the noble serving the royals). They are actually descendants of Barech Pashtuns who migrated to India in late 18th century and dispossessed Baloch nawabs of Hariana from their jagirs. They were confirmed in their possessions by East India Company who have recorded all details about Pataudi and other estates.


Its your ignorance speaking. Bahlul Lodi and Farid Khan Sur were parts of extensive clan systems of Pashtuns, thats why they were able to summon their tribesmen from Pakhtunkhwa whenever the occasion demanded. Bahlul Lodi was from Shahu Khel branch of Prangi tribe which was then settled at Daman and Farid Khan was from Shera Khel branch of Sur tribe who were then settled on the banks of Gomal river. Both were Pashto speakers and strong Pashtun-ists. They had not arrived from Pakhtunkhwa "centuries" ago. Bahlul's grandfather and Sher Shah's father (accompanying his grandfather) migrated from Pakhtunkhwa. They were tribals and in fact were looked down upon by urbanized and Persianized Turks of India for their tribal life style and crude ways. Read their histories




Good for you. Still you and your family has nothing to do with us and our history

What a stupid conclusion to draw from a passage in a book. It's just narrating the story of rivalry between two groups at odd. when babur came to India he called the Lodhis and other Pathan tribes of northern India Hindustanis. That is how much they were part and parcel of the ruling ashrafi class

Sikander Lodi (died 21 November 1517), born Nizam Khan, was the Sultan of Delhi between 1489 to 1517.[1] He became the next ruler of the Lodi dynasty after the death of his father Bahlul Lodi in July 1489.[2][3] The second and most successful ruler of the Lodi dynasty of the Delhi sultanate, he was also a poet of the Persian language and prepared a diwan of 9000 verses.[4] Of the three Lodi Sultans namely Bahlol Lodi (1451 to 1489), Sikandar Lodi (1489 to 1517) and Ibrahim Lodi (1517 to 1526), Sikandar Lodi is regarded as the ablest, the greatest and the most successful Sultan.[5]

Again absolute and utter bs propagated by you. They were part and parcel of Ashrafi culture in India. They spoke persian like the rest of them, administered in persian and had nothing to do with pakhtun nationalism(no such thing exsisted). In fact many of their opponents were also of Pashtun origin. As far as them calling for soldiers from tribal areas. So did the mughals and other empires. That does not mean your narrative is correct. Stop propagating your twisted sense of history and trying to claim other peoples heritage

Do you suffer from a mental illness. Claiming a pathan is someone who speaks pashto bla bla and then claiming lodhis to be pashtun when they spoke persian and gave no consideration to marrying in accordance with the tribal mariage customs.

Sikandar (the second ruler of lodhi dynasty) was the son of Sultan Bahlul Khan Lodi and Bibi Ambha, the daughter of a Hindu goldsmith of Sirhind. I don't think you 'koain kay maindak' traditionally marry outside of your tribe.

Among the administrative changes made by Sikandar Lodi was the installation of Persian language as the official language for the accountancy in India. 1514. Mat̲nawī-yi mihr u māh (905H.). Publication of the Iran Pakistan Institute of Persian Studies, serial no.

Taking one or two odd examples from here and there won't prove your point buddy (That also includes how marriage was conducted in medieval ashrafi muslim society). You are neither their descendant nor were any tribals like you part of any power structure in medieval India. All these people of pashtun origion married within the power structure of India (ashrafi class), spoke the language of that culture(persian and urdu), identified with them and so do their descendants just like they did. Saying that Lodhi dynasty had more in common with dirt poor tribes on Pak-Afghan border and Afghanistan and not with the ruling class of Muslims in India (i.e where they spent their lives) is as stupid a argument as I have ever heard

Is Imran Khan more connected with you tribal culture or the culture of Lahore and southern Punjab? Same applies to every person. They are where they live or after a few hundered years you want to also call him a pashtun tribal and claim all his cricket stats as that of the great poverty ridden, resource poor, uneducated tribals.

What a stupid conclusion to draw from a passage in a book. It's just narrating the story of rivalry between two groups at odd. when babur came to India he called the Lodhis and other Pathan tribes of northern India Hindustanis. That is how much they were part and parcel of the ruling ashrafi class

Sikander Lodi (died 21 November 1517), born Nizam Khan, was the Sultan of Delhi between 1489 to 1517.[1] He became the next ruler of the Lodi dynasty after the death of his father Bahlul Lodi in July 1489.[2][3] The second and most successful ruler of the Lodi dynasty of the Delhi sultanate, he was also a poet of the Persian language and prepared a diwan of 9000 verses.[4] Of the three Lodi Sultans namely Bahlol Lodi (1451 to 1489), Sikandar Lodi (1489 to 1517) and Ibrahim Lodi (1517 to 1526), Sikandar Lodi is regarded as the ablest, the greatest and the most successful Sultan.[5]

Again absolute and utter bs propagated by you. They were part and parcel of Ashrafi culture in India. They spoke persian like the rest of them, administered in persian and had nothing to do with pakhtun nationalism(no such thing exsisted). In fact many of their opponents were also of Pashtun origin. As far as them calling for soldiers from tribal areas. So did the mughals and other empires. That does not mean your narrative is correct. Stop propagating your twisted sense of history and trying to claim other peoples heritage

Do you suffer from a mental illness. Claiming a pathan is someone who speaks pashto bla bla and then claiming lodhis to be pashtun when they spoke persian and gave no consideration to marrying in accordance with the tribal mariage customs.

Sikandar (the second ruler of lodhi dynasty) was the son of Sultan Bahlul Khan Lodi and Bibi Ambha, the daughter of a Hindu goldsmith of Sirhind. I don't think you 'koain kay maindak' traditionally marry outside of your tribe.

Among the administrative changes made by Sikandar Lodi was the installation of Persian language as the official language for the accountancy in India. 1514. Mat̲nawī-yi mihr u māh (905H.). Publication of the Iran Pakistan Institute of Persian Studies, serial no.

Taking one or two odd examples from here and there won't prove your point buddy (That also includes how marriage was conducted in medieval ashrafi muslim society). You are neither their descendant nor were any tribals like you part of any power structure in medieval India. All these people of pashtun origion married within the power structure of India (ashrafi class), spoke the language of that culture(persian and urdu), identified with them and so do their descendants just like they did. Saying that Lodhi dynasty had more in common with dirt poor tribes on Pak-Afghan border and Afghanistan and not with the ruling class of Muslims in India (i.e where they spent their lives) is as stupid a argument as I have ever heard

Is Imran Khan more connected with you tribal culture or the culture of Lahore and southern Punjab? Same applies to every person. They are where they live or after a few hundered years you want to also call him a pashtun tribal and claim all his cricket stats as that of the great poverty ridden, resource poor, uneducated tribals.

Here you go one of his descendants. Why don't you go and tell him he is a tribal pashtun. though you are free to claim him

Sahir Lodhi is a Pakistan actor, director and tv host.[1] he is an actor of a movie.[2]

Personal life
Sahir Lodhi was born in Karachi to Ali Gohar Lodhi and Roshan Taj Lodhi. He grew up in a family with two brothers and one sister Shaista Lodhi

 

[Mian Babban]

Among the administrative changes made by Sikandar Lodi was the installation of Persian language as the official language for the accountancy in India. 1514. Mat̲nawī-yi mihr u māh (905H.). Publication of the Iran Pakistan Institute of Persian Studies, serial no.

Persian language was lingua franca of entire Central Asia and South Asia. In case you dont know Persian was also official language of native Durrani empire. It was also official language of Sikh empire even though they were not Muslims. Sikandar Lodi, even if his mother was an Indian, identified himself as Afghan, not some "Ashrafi Indian" of your imagination.

 

[icebreaker2]

What a stupid conclusion to draw from a passage in a book. It's just narrating the story of rivalry between two groups at odd. when babur came to India he called the Lodhis and other Pathan tribes of northern India Hindustanis. That is how much they were part and parcel of the ruling ashrafi class

Sikander Lodi (died 21 November 1517), born Nizam Khan, was the Sultan of Delhi between 1489 to 1517.[1] He became the next ruler of the Lodi dynasty after the death of his father Bahlul Lodi in July 1489.[2][3] The second and most successful ruler of the Lodi dynasty of the Delhi sultanate, he was also a poet of the Persian language and prepared a diwan of 9000 verses.[4] Of the three Lodi Sultans namely Bahlol Lodi (1451 to 1489), Sikandar Lodi (1489 to 1517) and Ibrahim Lodi (1517 to 1526), Sikandar Lodi is regarded as the ablest, the greatest and the most successful Sultan.[5]

Again absolute and utter bs propagated by you. They were part and parcel of Ashrafi culture in India. They spoke persian like the rest of them, administered in persian and had nothing to do with pakhtun nationalism(no such thing exsisted). In fact many of their opponents were also of Pashtun origin. As far as them calling for soldiers from tribal areas. So did the mughals and other empires. That does not mean your narrative is correct. Stop propagating your twisted sense of history and trying to claim other peoples heritage

Do you suffer from a mental illness. Claiming a pathan is someone who speaks pashto bla bla and then claiming lodhis to be pashtun when they spoke persian and gave no consideration to marrying in accordance with the tribal mariage customs.

Sikandar (the second ruler of lodhi dynasty) was the son of Sultan Bahlul Khan Lodi and Bibi Ambha, the daughter of a Hindu goldsmith of Sirhind. I don't think you 'koain kay maindak' traditionally marry outside of your tribe.

Among the administrative changes made by Sikandar Lodi was the installation of Persian language as the official language for the accountancy in India. 1514. Mat̲nawī-yi mihr u māh (905H.). Publication of the Iran Pakistan Institute of Persian Studies, serial no.

Taking one or two odd examples from here and there won't prove your point buddy (That also includes how marriage was conducted in medieval ashrafi muslim society). You are neither their descendant nor were any tribals like you part of any power structure in medieval India. All these people of pashtun origion married within the power structure of India (ashrafi class), spoke the language of that culture(persian and urdu), identified with them and so do their descendants just like they did. Saying that Lodhi dynasty had more in common with dirt poor tribes on Pak-Afghan border and Afghanistan and not with the ruling class of Muslims in India (i.e where they spent their lives) is as stupid a argument as I have ever heard

Is Imran Khan more connected with you tribal culture or the culture of Lahore and southern Punjab? Same applies to every person. They are where they live or after a few hundered years you want to also call him a pashtun tribal and claim all his cricket stats as that of the great poverty ridden, resource poor, uneducated tribals.



Here you go one of his descendants. Why don't you go and tell him he is a tribal pashtun. though you are free to claim him

Sahir Lodhi is a Pakistan actor, director and tv host.[1] he is an actor of a movie.[2]

Personal life
Sahir Lodhi was born in Karachi to Ali Gohar Lodhi and Roshan Taj Lodhi. He grew up in a family with two brothers and one sister Shaista Lodhi

And kid read below to get a good reference on Medieval politics before claiming they were pasthun nationalist of some kind

He gained control of Bihar and founded the modern city of Agra on the site known as Sikandarabad. His reign was clouded only by a reputation for religious bigotry. Sikandar’s eldest son, Ibrāhīm (reigned 1517–26), attempted to enhancethe royal authority. His harshness built up discontent, however, which led the governor of the Punjab, Dawlat Khan Lodī, to invite the Mughal ruler of Kabul, Bābur, to invade India

 

[Mian Babban]

W

Sahir Lodhi is a Pakistan actor, director and tv host.[1] he is an actor of a movie.[2]

Personal life
Sahir Lodhi was born in Karachi to Ali Gohar Lodhi and Roshan Taj Lodhi. He grew up in a family with two brothers and one sister Shaista Lodhi

The hijrra Mairasi has nothing to do with us Lodis. He must be a convert from "Lodha caste" of Hindus. The Lodi Sultans called themselves "Lodi" not "Lodhi"

 

[icebreaker2]

Persian language was lingua franca of entire Central Asia and South Asia. In case you dont know Persian was also official language of native Durrani empire. It was also official language of Sikh empire even though they were not Muslims. Sikandar Lodi, even if his mother was an Indian, identified himself as Afghan, not some "Ashrafi Indian" of your imagination.

Yeah, I know that very well and over time it was replaced by Urdu. Yeah he identified with his pashtun/afghan ancestry so do millions of people but they don't identify with you or your way of life or tribal pashtuns . So don't try to claim them. If they were to fit your criteria of pashtun(i.e how you describe tribal pashtun) we all would be speaking pashto not urdu

The hijrra Mairasi has nothing to do with us Lodis. He must be a convert from "Lodha caste" of Hindus. The Lodi Sultans called themselves "Lodi" not "Lodhi"

No he is not a convert from any lodhi caste of Hindus. He is a lodi from what i know. Anyways open your eyes. You will find many many lodis in Punjab and in Karachi and India who are descendants from lodis who ruled over dehli (Many of them even gave up their tribal names because they no longer care). Get out of your little tribal identity and backward mentality and stop trying to glorifying your bunch of tribe. Their only importance is limited to little municipal elections and seats in NA & PA.

You are free to claim this hijjra marasi as your own but i doubt you are short of hijra marassi in your tribe. Nothing special about your tribe's people they are people just like any one else.

Don't muddle up history with your sense of pashtun nationalism and false, racist, ignorant pride. No one ever has claimed that pathan chieftans in India were culturally associated with tribes of KPK. They were part of the ruling elite (ashrafi class), ate with them, spoke the same language as them, married them and lived with them. Their descendants still live among us as representative of their culture and how it evolved

 

[Mian Babban]

Get out of your little tribal identity and backward mentality and stop trying to glorifying your bunch of tribe. Their only importance is limited to little municipal elections and seats in NA & PA.

Whatever. Why you link yourself with us and our past?

You are free to claim this hijjra marasi as your own

Sahir Lodha and Shaista Lodhan belongs to your ethnicity, they have nothing to do with us.

Don't muddle up history with your sense of pashtun nationalism and false, racist, ignorant pride. No one ever has claimed that pathan chieftans in India were culturally associated with tribes of KPK.

From Tarikh-i-SherShahi

"His chiefs replied: “ It is expedient under present circumstances that His Majesty the Sultán should send letters to the chiefs of the tribes in the Roh country (a medieval name of Pakhtunkhwa) to this effect: ‘God in his goodness has granted the kingdom of Dehlí to the Afgháns, but the other kings of Hind wish to expel them from the country. The honour of our women is concerned; the lands of Hind are broad and rich, and can afford maintenance to many. Come, then, to this country; the name indeed of sovereignty shall remain with me, but whatever countries we may conquer shall be shared between us as brothers. Sultán Mahmúd of Jaunpúr is now besieging Dehlí, where the families of the Afgháns are. If you feel disposed to assist me, you must do so now, and with a large force.’” The king, approving of this advice, issued farmáns to the chiefs of the various Afghán tribes. On receipt of the farmáns, the Afgháns of Roh came, as is their wont, like ants and locusts, to enter the king's service........

........When the chiefs of the tribes of Roh had gone, the king commanded his nobles, saying:—“Every Afghán who comes to Hind from the country of Roh to enter my service, bring him to me. I will give him a jágír more than proportioned to his deserts, and such as shall content him; but if he for reasons of kindred or friendship prefers remaining in the service of any one of you, do you provide for him to his satisfaction; for if I hear of one Afghán from Roh returning thither again for want of a livelihood or employment, I will resume the jágírs of that noble who may have refused to entertain him.” When the Afgháns of Roh heard of this, and saw the favour and affection of the king towards them, they began every day, every month, and every year, to arrive in Hind, and received jágírs to their heart's content.

 

[StraightShooter]

People from Hyderabad Daccan as well as some other people from transplanted Pashtun populations that later began speaking Urdu still have inherited words, although few and far between. I've heard a Badayuni say ghaT for big, and Hyderabadis as a routine say aauu for yes.

As a deccan hyderabadi I would say aauu mia to that

Watch how my beloved hyderabadi friends speak.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Very interesting.....Pashtun tribes like Panni and Miyana, did settle in large numbers in Deccan

I have never heard of these tribes, are these tribes found in Pakistan as well?

 

[icebreaker2]

Whatever. Why you link yourself with us and our past?


Sahir Lodha and Shaista Lodhan belongs to your ethnicity, they have nothing to do with us.


From Tarikh-i-SherShahi

"His chiefs replied: “ It is expedient under present circumstances that His Majesty the Sultán should send letters to the chiefs of the tribes in the Roh country (a medieval name of Pakhtunkhwa) to this effect: ‘God in his goodness has granted the kingdom of Dehlí to the Afgháns, but the other kings of Hind wish to expel them from the country. The honour of our women is concerned; the lands of Hind are broad and rich, and can afford maintenance to many. Come, then, to this country; the name indeed of sovereignty shall remain with me, but whatever countries we may conquer shall be shared between us as brothers. Sultán Mahmúd of Jaunpúr is now besieging Dehlí, where the families of the Afgháns are. If you feel disposed to assist me, you must do so now, and with a large force.’” The king, approving of this advice, issued farmáns to the chiefs of the various Afghán tribes. On receipt of the farmáns, the Afgháns of Roh came, as is their wont, like ants and locusts, to enter the king's service........

........When the chiefs of the tribes of Roh had gone, the king commanded his nobles, saying:—“Every Afghán who comes to Hind from the country of Roh to enter my service, bring him to me. I will give him a jágír more than proportioned to his deserts, and such as shall content him; but if he for reasons of kindred or friendship prefers remaining in the service of any one of you, do you provide for him to his satisfaction; for if I hear of one Afghán from Roh returning thither again for want of a livelihood or employment, I will resume the jágírs of that noble who may have refused to entertain him.” When the Afgháns of Roh heard of this, and saw the favour and affection of the king towards them, they began every day, every month, and every year, to arrive in Hind, and received jágírs to their heart's content.

Yes and that proves nothing. Every ruler in India has gained allies like this. That is how Rohilla pathan came to India under Aurangzeb(They were given land). Shah jehan did the same for the Persian governor of Herat(modern term) who defected. He must have also written similar letters invoking commonality with other allies of his. Why don't you post those too.

When babur came to India he broke all his drinking vessels to make him self look like the muslim warrior fighting against Hindus. He did the same lying to them that other sultans want to push out Afghans when in fact there were different Afghan factions fighting him too. It is not much different to what politicians say when they go somewhere to get a vote.

Sher shah Suri was desperate for allies and that's why he called for these people and people and tribes of roh were irrelevant to his rule. Just another drop in the bucket. Another point to note he never mentions any tribes. In your tribal badlands people identify each other with their tribes as they did back then. He does not distinguish between the tribes as friends or enemies. Only refers to them as afghans. Sher sha suri had no connection with roh. He was born in Bihar so was his father. Don't know why a tribal savage like you is claiming the heritage of a pathan from Bihar. It is the heritage of these people

Pathans in Bihar

Pathan/Pashtun
Regions with significant populations
India
Languages
Bhojpuri • Hindustani
Religion
Islam 100%
Related ethnic groups
Pashtun
The Pathans of Bihar in India are said to have settled in the region from the 13th century CE onwards. These Pashtun people are known as Pathan in the Hindustani language. Another common name for the community is Khan, which also a common surname. Lohani Pashtuns ruled a princely state within Bihar.[1]

The name Pathan in Bihar refers to two distinct but related communities, the Nasli (from the Arabic word nasl, meaning racial or by birth) and Divani (from the Arabic word diwan, meaning a royal court). The former are descendents of various Pashtun settlers in Bihar, while the latter are Rajput and Bhumihar converts to Islam.[2] They are considered one of the Ashraf communities meaning they have a powerful status among the Muslims of the state.[3] Ruhella Pathans are significant landowners in the southern part of the state and formed a militia with Rajputs called the Sunlight Sena to combat Maoist insurgents.[4]

Sher Shah Suri was born in Rohtas district.[5]

Present circumstances[edit]
The Pathan proper of Bihar belong to eleven sub-groups, the main ones being the Suri, Sherwani, Yousafzai, Durani, Bangash, Afridi, Khattak, Lodhi, Tanoli, Orakzai and Ghori, all of whom are well known Pashtun tribes. They now speak Hindustani as well as local dialects such as Awadhi and Bhojpuri. Like other communities in the region, the Pathan are endogamous, and tend to marry close kin. They practice both parallel cousin and cross cousin marriages. Those who live in the larger cities, such as Patna have begun to marry other Bihari Muslims, and a process of assimilation into the wider Bihari Muslim community has begun.[6]


Pulling out random letters you have plucked out of somewhere without context as I have explained to you before cannot change history. Your history with the people mentioned above diverged when they left you savages to rot in poverty. They became kings and you poppers. So why are you poppers trying to claim the history of people who survive till this date? It will be like Uzbek claiming the Mughals

A passage from Tarikh-i-SherShahi is not going to fool me buddy. Your dishonest posting of passages from historical texts is not going to help you fool me buddy. Who they were was reflected by how they lived their lives and they were not tribal pashtuns just like Imran Khan is not one.

No one is linking with your past moron. Who would want to associate with you savage culture less tribal. They are linking with their own past. Histories diverged when these people came to India and now their descendants know you as tribal savages. So don't try to claim them as yours

Whatever. Why you link yourself with us and our past?


Sahir Lodha and Shaista Lodhan belongs to your ethnicity, they have nothing to do with us.


They don't belong to my ethnicity dumb dumb. I and them have the same linguistic based identity. I am sure any decent human being wouldn't like to be associated with a moron like you and say high to all the hijra and marasi tribal lohanis from me. They desreve it they are human too. Consider it charity

 

[Mian Babban]

I have never heard of these tribes, are these tribes found in Pakistan as well?

The Pashtuns of Sibi district of Baluchistan are mostly Panni (pronounced as Panri in Pashto). The Musa Khel tribe of Musa Khel district in Baluchistan are also Pannis. The other famous branches of Pannis who settled elsewhere are Safis of Mohmand agency, Laghman etc (you must know journalist Salim Safi), and Jadoons (or Gadoons) of Swabi and Abbotabad.

Majority of the Miyanas (pronounced as Miarna in Pashto) migrated to India. The remnants of Miyanas are in Baluchistan and are represented by sub-tribes Lunis, Jafars, Zmaraey and Isots.

Yes and that proves nothing. Every ruler in India has gained allies like this. That is how Rohilla pathan came to India under Aurangzeb(They were given land). Shah jehan did the same for the Persian governor of Herat(modern term) who defected. He must have also written similar letters invoking commonality with other allies of his. Why don't you post those too.

When babur came to India he broke all his drinking vessels to make him self look like the muslim warrior fighting against Hindus. He did the same lying to them that other sultans want to push out Afghans when in fact there were different Afghan factions fighting him too. It is not much different to what politicians say when they go somewhere to get a vote.

Sher shah Suri was desperate for allies and that's why he called for these people and people and tribes of roh were irrelevant to his rule. Just another drop in the bucket. Another point to note he never mentions any tribes. In your tribal badlands people identify each other with their tribes as they did back then. He does not distinguish between the tribes as friends or enemies. Only refers to them as afghans. Sher sha suri had no connection with roh. He was born in Bihar so was his father. Don't know why a tribal savage like you is claiming the heritage of a pathan from Bihar. It is the heritage of these people

Perhaps you were drowsy or some thing, the passage was not about Sher Shah but about Sultan Bahlul Lodi inviting Afghan tribes of Roh to assist him against Sharqi Sultan in 1453.

About Sher Shah, read this extract from Tarikh-i-SherShahi for enlightenment ;

"To every pious Afghán who came into his presence from Afghánistán, Sher Sháh used to give money to an amount exceeding his expectations, and he would say, “This is your share of the kingdom of Hind, which has fallen into my hands, this is assigned to you, come every year to receive it.” And to his own tribe and family of Súr, who dwelt in the land of Roh, he sent an annual stipend in money, in proportion to the numbers of his family and retainers; and during the period of his dominion no Afghán, whether in Hind or Roh, was in want, but all became men of substance. It was the custom of the Afgháns during the time of Sultáns Bahlol and Sikandar, and as long as the dominion of the Afgháns lasted, that if any Afghán received a sum of money, or a dress of honour, that sum of money or dress of honour was regularly apportioned to him, and he received it every year."

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[khanasifm]

Urdu was official /military language based on Persian, pushto, Arabic, Hindi etc so there are words from many languages

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

@Mian Babban What is your old ID?

I am sure you made this fourth/fifth ID after getting banned previously with these IDs

@Marwat Khan Lodhi @Samandri @Pak-one

 

[icebreaker2]

The Pashtuns of Sibi district of Baluchistan are mostly Panni (pronounced as Panri in Pashto). The Musa Khel tribe of Musa Khel district in Baluchistan are also Pannis. The other famous branches of Pannis who settled elsewhere are Safis of Mohmand agency, Laghman etc (you must know journalist Salim Safi), and Jadoons (or Gadoons) of Swabi and Abbotabad.

Majority of the Miyanas (pronounced as Miarna in Pashto) migrated to India. The remnants of Miyanas are in Baluchistan and are represented by sub-tribes Lunis, Jafars, Zmaraey and Isots.


Perhaps you were drowsy or some thing, the passage was not about Sher Shah but about Sultan Bahlul Lodi inviting Afghan tribes of Roh to assist him against Sharqi Sultan in 1453.

About Sher Shah, read this extract from Tarikh-i-SherShahi for enlightenment ;

"To every pious Afghán who came into his presence from Afghánistán, Sher Sháh used to give money to an amount exceeding his expectations, and he would say, “This is your share of the kingdom of Hind, which has fallen into my hands, this is assigned to you, come every year to receive it.” And to his own tribe and family of Súr, who dwelt in the land of Roh, he sent an annual stipend in money, in proportion to the numbers of his family and retainers; and during the period of his dominion no Afghán, whether in Hind or Roh, was in want, but all became men of substance. It was the custom of the Afgháns during the time of Sultáns Bahlol and Sikandar, and as long as the dominion of the Afgháns lasted, that if any Afghán received a sum of money, or a dress of honour, that sum of money or dress of honour was regularly apportioned to him, and he received it every year."

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Short answer for now

And to his own tribe and family of Súr, who dwelt in the land of Roh, he sent an annual stipend in money, in proportion to the numbers of his family and retainers; and during the period of his dominion no Afghán, whether in Hind or Roh, was in want, but all became men of substance.

The distinction is already there between the tribals and the ones who setteled in 'Hind'. He was one of those who settled in hind and you are not so don't claim what belongs to his descendants

 

[Mian Babban]

Short answer for now

And to his own tribe and family of Súr, who dwelt in the land of Roh, he sent an annual stipend in money, in proportion to the numbers of his family and retainers; and during the period of his dominion no Afghán, whether in Hind or Roh, was in want, but all became men of substance.

The distinction is already there between the tribals and the ones who setteled in 'Hind'. He was one of those who settled in hind and you are not so don't claim what belongs to his descendants

You are just clutching at straws. Its like saying Pashtuns settled in Karachi have nothing to do with their native villages in KP and Baluchistan