Partition of India: Origin of Hatred

[Spring Onion]

@Cherokee How can a weak, fed on grass Hindu Kill a strong, beef fed Muslim? Such a dilemma!

Yeh dilema how did the table turns when Beef eaters are rapists and criminals according to Hindus haye raam dehli main grass eaters rapists kesy ban gaye jaror kattuawon ki sazish ho gee

 

[Jade]

I wouldn't be sure about that, in coming years central Asia will be important and Pakistan controls one of the easiest routes to it.

We should forget using Pakistan to reach CAR simply because first of all domestic politics and civilian-military tussle in Pakistan will never will allow India to use Pakistan as a route. Second even if Pakistan allows, India will at the whims of Pakistan that is doubly dangerous to our economy. Third it is not only the Pakistan government and military that that has to allow India, but India will also be at the whims of Islamic extremists that control a large part of Pakistan.

India has to develop alternative routes. This the precise reason why India withdrew from IPI pipeline and is investing heavily in Chahbhar port in Iran.

The faster Pakistan fades away from Indian psyche the better is for the whole region

 

[ghilzai]

Never understood why Indians are always obsessed with partition, i rarely see the Pakistanis starting a discussion on partition.

Indians should be grateful to the British and partition that they are free, if it wasn't for those two then India would still be a turco afghan colony.

 

[Beerbal]

Except 1857, Muslims were never part of Freedom fight. There are not a single Muslim revolutionary from Muslim dominated Punjab and Bengal province..

There is only one Muslim revolutionary , he was from Uttar Pradesh.

Reason: Mughal empire in India was dead by the time England invaded India. In 3rd war of Panipat, Though Mmaratha lost Delhi, but 10 year later they regain the power of delhi. Muslims were confined to "Mysore", "Oudh", "Bengal",and "Hyderabad". Maratha were trying to capture Mysore, there next target was Oudh, and then with the help of Ahom Kingdom Bengal.

Sikhs and Rajputana were defending western border and Marathas were doing cleansing (Suddhikaran) of Indian soul. Unfortunately during that time "Industrial Revolution" happen, and West become more powerful (better equipments). If Industrial revolution would be late by 60-100 years, India would have been freed from Muslim (Like Spain), all Muslim would have been dumped in Arabia or Arab sea.

This was the reason why Muslims went crazy during India struggle. And this is the reason why Muslims are poor today (even after being in power for 300-400 years). During Maratha period all power have been taken from Muslims and they were let to do 3rd class work..

Hope Pakistani will like my analysis.. These things are not available in 'Romila Thapar' books (bloody communist) or Pakistani (Islam Chauvinist) book. You need to visit british archive to get access of truth.

 

[Spring Onion]

Except 1857, Muslims were never part of Freedom fight. There are not a single Muslim revolutionary from Muslim dominated Punjab and Bengal province..

There is only one Muslim revolutionary , he was from Uttar Pradesh.

Reason: Mughal empire in India was dead by the time England invaded India. In 3rd war of Panipat, Though Mmaratha lost Delhi, but 10 year later they regain the power of delhi. Muslims were confined to "Mysore", "Oudh", "Bengal",and "Hyderabad". Maratha were trying to capture Mysore, there next target was Oudh, and then with the help of Ahom Kingdom Bengal.

Sikhs and Rajputana were defending western border and Marathas were doing cleansing (Suddhikaran) of Indian soul. Unfortunately during that time "Industrial Revolution" happen, and West become more powerful (better equipments). If Industrial revolution would be late by 60-100 years, India would have been freed from Muslim (Like Spain), all Muslim would have been dumped in Arabia or Arab sea.

This was the reason why Muslims went crazy during India struggle. And this is the reason why Muslims are poor today (even after being in power for 300-400 years). During Maratha period all power have been taken from Muslims and they were let to do 3rd class work..

Hope Pakistani will like my analysis.. These things are not available in 'Romila Thapar' books (bloody communist) or Pakistani (Islam Chauvinist) book. You need to visit british archive to get access of truth.

Funny you forgot that the first Freedom step was taken against British invasion by Muslim fakirs like Majnu sha fakir whereas the hindu sanyasis also joined his movement .


and by the way that was in 1763 against the English East India Company.


After the death of Majnu sha Fakir leaders like "Musa Sha, Chirag Ali, Nurul Muhammad and many others led these struggles until
1800. Later on in 1820, inspired by the philosophy of Haji Syed
Ahamed Barelvi, Muslims revolted against the British. Gradually it
became a militant revolt under the leadership of Titu Mir."


The list is long

 

[Beerbal]

Funny you forgot that the first Freedom step was taken against British invasion by Muslim fakirs like Majnu sha fakir whereas the hindu sanyasis also joined his movement .


and by the way that was in 1763 against the English East India Company.


After the death of Majnu sha Fakir leaders like "Musa Sha, Chirag Ali, Nurul Muhammad and many others led these struggles until
1800. Later on in 1820, inspired by the philosophy of Haji Syed
Ahamed Barelvi, Muslims revolted against the British. Gradually it
became a militant revolt under the leadership of Titu Mir."


The list is long

And the list ends at 1857... Muslims are/were always driven by religion. Unless u put Tadka of religion Muslims won't act. Be it Fakir Movement, Khilafat movement or some other movement.

Aftr 1857, intellect like Dada-Bhai and others channeled the movement based on nationalism (Imprint of french revolution), That was the day when Muslim dis-associated them from national movement.

But when Jinaa talk about Islam, they collude with Brits and sabotaged national movement.

Last word.....


If the list is really long, then why not a single revolutionary from Benagal (Muslim majority) and Punjab(Muslim majority) aftr 1857? Search a Muslim in the list.. or is it biased list created by Hindus???

Amarendra Chatterjee
Ambika Chakrabarty
Ananta Singh
Ashfaqulla Khan
Atulkrishna Ghosh
Aurobindo Ghosh
Badal Gupta
Bal Gangadhar Tilak
Barindra Kumar Ghosh
Batukeshwar Dutt
Bagha Jatin
Baikuntha Shukla
Basawon Singh (Sinha)
Benoy Basu
Bhagat Singh
Bhagwati Charan Vohra
Bhavabhushan Mitra
Bhupendranath Datta
Bhupendra Kumar Datta
Bina Das
Bipin Behari Ganguli
Chandrasekhar Azad
Dinesh Gupta
Durga Bhabhi
Ganesh Ghosh
Gopinath Saha
Guran Ditt Kumar
Hemchandra Kanungo
Jatindra Nath Das
Kanailal Dutta
Khudiram Bose
Lokenath Bal
Matangini Hazra
Prafulla Chaki
Pritilata Waddedar
Pulin Behari Das
Rajguru
Rasbihari Bose
Sachindra Nath Sanyal
Subhas Chandra Bose
Sukhdev
Surya Sen
Taraknath Das
Udham Singh
Ullaskar Dutta
Swatantryaveer Vinayak Damodar Savarkar
Virendranath Chattopadhyay
Yogendra Shukla
Shyamji Krishna Varma

 

[Spring Onion]

And the list ends at 1857... Muslims are/were always driven by religion. Unless u put Tadka of religion Muslims won't act. Be it Fakir Movement, Khilafat movement or some other movement.

Aftr 1857, intellect like Dada-Bhai and others channeled the movement based on nationalism (Imprint of french revolution), That was the day when Muslim dis-associated them from national movement.

But when Jinaa talk about Islam, they collude with Brits and sabotaged national movement.

1. First your claim that there were NO Muslim freedom fighters before 1857 got busted you said except 1857 there were no Muslim freedom fighters.

2. All those who started 1857 freedom fight against the British raj were non other than religious Muslims and that was not for their faith but for the freedom of Subcontinent. The Ulama waged relentless war against the Company rule just after defeat of Sirajud Dawla at Palasi in 1757.



British Army general, Tomson ,The British army general, who fought against Muslims in the uprising of 1857, wrote in his memoir: (Rebellion Clerics P-49): [B]”If to fight for one’s country, plan and mastermind wars against occupying mighty powers are patriotism, then undoubtedly maulvis (read Ulama hanged by the British rulers) were the loyal patriots to their country and their succeeding generations will remember them as heroes.”[/B]

 

[Beerbal]

1. First your claim that there were NO Muslim freedom fighters before 1857 got busted you said except 1857 there were no Muslim freedom fighters.

2. All those who started 1857 freedom fight against the British raj were non other than religious Muslims and that was not for their faith but for the freedom of Subcontinent. The Ulama waged relentless war against the Company rule just after defeat of Sirajud Dawla at Palasi in 1757.



British Army general, Tomson ,The British army general, who fought against Muslims in the uprising of 1857, wrote in his memoir: (Rebellion Clerics P-49): [B]”If to fight for one’s country, plan and mastermind wars against occupying mighty powers are patriotism, then undoubtedly maulvis (read Ulama hanged by the British rulers) were the loyal patriots to their country and their succeeding generations will remember them as heroes.”[/B]

Prior to 1857 struggle were localize and religious/provincial in nature. Kings were fighting for there state or religion. There was no idea of uprooting Brits from India.

As there was Tadka of Islam in that phase, Mullas were fierce. No one can fight better than a Muslim if the cause is religion. Its known fact, Mr Tomson didn't said anything we don't know.

But in later phase when Nation was the cause, Muslims collude with Brits and backstabbed Indian. The Gandhi loyal Ali brothers backstabbed Gandhi. (Gandi refer Ali brother as his two hands/eye)

 

[jatt+gutts]

there were not muslim punjabi fighters because they were too much dependent on sikhs. they knew sikhs will get them freedom and they wont have to do naything..

@ birbal howcome you forgot Kartar singh sarabha in your list

 

[priti]

1. First your claim that there were NO Muslim freedom fighters before 1857 got busted you said except 1857 there were no Muslim freedom fighters.

2. All those who started 1857 freedom fight against the British raj were non other than religious Muslims and that was not for their faith but for the freedom of Subcontinent. The Ulama waged relentless war against the Company rule just after defeat of Sirajud Dawla at Palasi in 1757.



British Army general, Tomson ,The British army general, who fought against Muslims in the uprising of 1857, wrote in his memoir: (Rebellion Clerics P-49): [B]”If to fight for one’s country, plan and mastermind wars against occupying mighty powers are patriotism, then undoubtedly maulvis (read Ulama hanged by the British rulers) were the loyal patriots to their country and their succeeding generations will remember them as heroes.”[/B]

skirmishes were not fredom fights.. that means every war faought by british in india was a feedom fight. i dont think so.
before 1857 there were no freedom fighters from both hindus or muslims becuse india was still under company rule and not british rule.

but hindus really were the spur of the freedom fight.

 

[jatt+gutts]

skirmishes were not fredom fights.. that means every war faought by british in india was a feedom fight. i dont think so.
before 1857 there were no freedom fighters from both hindus or muslims becuse india was still under company rule and not british rule.

but hindus really were the spur of the freedom fight.

do you know over 90% jailed in infamous kali pani jail and hanged were sikhs.

 

[Spring Onion]

do you know over 90% jailed in infamous kali pani jail and hanged were sikhs.

Nhh they were hindus the hindus were bravest around. so brave that they had suffered many outsider attacks but still dint budg.

 

[priti]

do you know over 90% jailed in infamous kali pani jail and hanged were sikhs.

i mean sikhs also , sorry didnt mean to forget.. i remember a joke.. a bong and a surdy were fighting on who had more freedom fighters and agreed to pluck one hair from each others beard for every name mentioned.
so bong says NSC and plucks a hair from surdy. surdy says bhagat singh and plucks from bon. bong says rash behari and plucks and surdy says lajpat rai/ this goes goes on for sometime.
surdy suddenly gets angry and shouts jallianwala bagh and pulls the whole beard of bong.

 

[jatt+gutts]

Sikh Contribution to the Freedom Struggle of India

Punishment suffered SIKHS NON-SIKHS TOTAL

Hanged 93 28 121
Imprisoned for life 2147 499 2646
Killed at Jallianwala Bagh 799 501 1300
Killed at Budge Budge Ghat 67 46 113
Killed in Kooka Movement 91 - - - 91
Killed in Akali Movement 500 - - - 500

TOTAL 3697 1074 4771


Sikhs comprised 1.6 % of the population of undivided India.
Note:

1.Statistics furnished by Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad as President of the
Indian National Congress.
2.60 % of the officers and soldiers who joined the Indian National Army
were Sikhs.

 

[Spring Onion]

skirmishes were not fredom fights.. that means every war faought by british in india was a feedom fight. i dont think so.
before 1857 there were no freedom fighters from both hindus or muslims becuse india was still under company rule and not british rule.

but hindus really were the spur of the freedom fight.

Ahh the Communal hate and bias.

Those skrimishes were the FIRST step towards Freedom

These were Muslim fakirs who have started the rebelion against east Indian compnay the one that led to rule of brits. you need some extensive study before giving credit to hindus.

and do you even know that thousands of Ulema were killed by the brits for standing against the occupation of sub-continent.