Basel
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Why Pamtsr?? Why no Buk-M3 & Tor latest version??
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Yeah, whatever.There is no deal or even discussion happened between PAF and U.S, it was pure rumor.
PAF still wanted block 52 +.
Buk is outdated - we already have its similie in service as the HQ-16.Tor (latest version) with Buk-M3 looks better combo for Pakistani needs.
It wasn't a rumor trust. Me this @Tipu7 guy is no joke. We were quite close to a deal for BLOCK 70 and in fact it still could take place. As for Pantsir it should not be a surprise to anyone. Russia offered us PANTSIR AND BUK M3 and TOR along with MI-28 Attack Helicopter way back during IDEAS 2014.There is no deal or even discussion happened between PAF and U.S, it was pure rumor.
PAF still wanted block 52 +.
Buk is outdated - we already have its similie in service as the HQ-16.
Still a 40 year old base design. Better to look at more modern or clean sheet designs.Buk-M3 is not outdated and its more mobile then LY-80 with anti SRBM capability. It can also engage sea and ground targets.
Buk-M3
https://www.armyrecognition.com/rus...nical_data_sheet_specifications_11312154.html
LY-80A
https://www.armyrecognition.com/chi...data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html
Still a 40 year old base design. Better to look at more modern or clean sheet designs.
Adding an incremental capability increase with the Buk with its associated logistics and training has little RoI to justify it.
What about tor???Still a 40 year old base design. Better to look at more modern or clean sheet designs.
Adding an incremental capability increase with the Buk with its associated logistics and training has little RoI to justify it.
We consider the F-16 still a natural fit as our medium backbone and it offers the most punch with the least amount of effort for us. The V was a natural progression to the Block-52 and we have been in touch with DSCA for it.It wasn't a rumor trust. Me this @Tipu7 guy is no joke. We were quite close to a deal for BLOCK 70 and in fact it still could take place. As for Pantsir it should not be a surprise to anyone. Russia offered us PANTSIR AND BUK M3 and TOR along with MI-28 Attack Helicopter way back during IDEAS 2014.
@Oscar
What does the system add to a potential ADGE in terms of its unit cost and capability it brings. Be it Tor or Buk, our funds are limited so we have to pick and choose our capabilities.What about tor???
We don't have anything in class of Buk-M3 as Pakistan military like multipurpose systems Buk-M3 fit in it as it can be used against sea and land targets in worst situations, due to similar reason PA want Pantsr as it can be used against ground troops in worst time.
Pakistan Army is not going to be deploying the system near the sea for the most part and its land targeting capacity isn’t ideal.We don't have anything in class of Buk-M3 as Pakistan military like multipurpose systems Buk-M3 fit in it as it can be used against sea and land targets in worst situations, due to similar reason PA want Pantsr as it can be used against ground troops in worst time.
The US defence industry was also complaining about how they lost contracts due to the unavailability of commercial export loans for big-ticket defence items.We consider the F-16 still a natural fit as our medium backbone and it offers the most punch with the least amount of effort for us. The V was a natural progression to the Block-52 and we have been in touch with DSCA for it.
However they have inflated the price for us while taking away key technologies we want; hence we wont go for it until those conditions are removed.
nothing new, the same happened when we wanted the Block-52+ and upgrades and eventually we got our way because we had the money available and they still would rather have a willing payee versus India’s pie in the sky.
You still thinking i am in your league ?It wasn't a rumor trust. Me this @Tipu7 guy is no joke. We were quite close to a deal for BLOCK 70 and in fact it still could take place. As for Pantsir it should not be a surprise to anyone. Russia offered us PANTSIR AND BUK M3 and TOR along with MI-28 Attack Helicopter way back during IDEAS 2014.
@Oscar
Yes keep thinking thatYou still thinking i am in your league ?
I am more than facebook contacts.