Panamagate case: London flats were bought through Qatari investments, Sharif family tells SC

[Farah Sohail]

There is no requirement of any trail bro. Qatar doesn't have any data retention requirements, UK doesn't have retention requirements. Even if Qatari prince attends the hearing through video link, he will say that he doesn't keep record of his transactions beyond certain number of years.

The only hope is, when court questions the contradiction in statements. I don't know how NS will get out of what he said on the floor and submitted in the court. I think whatever you say on the floor is accepted as it is. Lying on the floor means direct disqualification. What do you say?

Sheikh Rasheed's petition revolves around lying.... I hope Sheikh Rasheed, makes this point in next hearing..... Hve little hope from Sheikh Rasheed only..... Pti legal team is bunch of idiots... They are only making the case easier for Nawaz Sharif.....

 

[PakSword]

Sheikh Rasheed's petition revolves around lying.... I hope Sheikh Rasheed, makes this point in next hearing..... Hve little hope from Sheikh Rasheed only..... Pti legal team is bunch of idiots... They are only making the case easier for Nawaz Sharif.....

Court itself has made a remark about the contradiction. I hope that this time court doesn't throw these petitions out on the basis of technical justice.

 

[Emmie]

There is no requirement of any trail bro. Qatar doesn't have any data retention requirements, UK doesn't have retention requirements. Even if Qatari prince attends the hearing through video link, he will say that he doesn't keep record of his transactions beyond certain number of years. Sharifs will say that only keep last 5 years of data as per the requirement of UK regulations.

The only hope is, when court questions the contradiction in statements. I don't know how NS will get out of what he said on the floor and submitted in the court. I think whatever you say on the floor is accepted as it is. Lying on the floor means direct disqualification. What do you say?

We'll find out the legal interpretation of the letter by evening or by tomarrow. I don't think words of anyone can be taken for it legally, substantiation is required. This letter has plenty of questions attached to it and none but the prince can aswer them.

Anyway, I have always mantained that I am too sure about the conviction on the bases of money laudering. I find no reason why NS shouldn't be disqualified to the membership of the parliament for misleading the nation and giving false statements on the floor of the house.

 

[Green Ranger]

These arabs are always there to bail out and help criminals , from funding to Osama bin laden to giving funds to hillary clinton to bailing out corrupt politicians in form of asylum or gifts funds like these

 

[Musafir117]

Qatri prince se interrogate kon kare ga

 

[Farah Sohail]

We'll find out the legal interpretation of the letter by evening or by tomarrow. I don't think words of a anyone can be taken for it legally, substantiation is required. This letter has plenty of questions attached to it and none but the prince can aswer them.

Anyway, I have always mantained that I am too sure about the conviction on the bases of money laudering. I find no reason why NS shouldn't be disqualified to the membership of the parliament for misleading the nation and giving false statements on the floor of the house.

From public point of view, the case is really straightforward.... But dont know exactly...what the judges are thinking? Do they want to make an example, out of this case, or like election rigging case, will declare tht not sufficient technical evidence is available to punish nawaz sharif family? I am afraid, for lack of technical evidence, courts can give jdugement, like the one they gave in election rigging case...

Plus, PTI legal team is not helping in any way at all.... They dont have any solid evidnece, rather relying on newspaper stories.... Even judges remarked abt it. Dont know..if its intentional.on part of PTI legal team.....or just lack of hardwork..... But pti legal team is making work easy for Nawaz Sharif... Uptil now, only sheikh rasheed has made strong points in court....

 

[Imad.Khan]

From public point of view, the case is really straightforward.... But dont know exactly...what the judges are thinking? Do they want to make an example, out of this case, or like election rigging case, will declare tht not sufficient technical evidence is available to punish nawaz sharif family? I am afraid, for lack of technical evidence, courts can give jdugement, like the one they gave in election rigging case...

Plus, PTI legal team is not helping in any way at all.... They dont have any solid evidnece, rather relying on newspaper stories.... Even judges remarked abt it. Dont know..if its intentional.on oart of PTI legal team.....or just lack of hardwork..... But pti legal team is making work easy for Nawaz Sharif... Uptil now, only sheikh rasheed has made strong points in court....

In cases of money laundering, the person that has been alleged of wrong doing has to provide evidence that all the allegations against him are not true. PTI has provided evidence that was collected by Rehman Malik in the 90s, these include bank statements, copy of traveler cheques and etc etc. They have also provided the video clips of the contradictory statements from the sharif family to the public.

Basically PTI and Sh. Rasheed are going with double bouncers, either NS gets convicted for Money laundering if they can't prove legality in transactions, or they get busted on article 62 for lying to the whole nation multiple times.

So lets wait and see what happens on the 17th.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=690193874477757

 

[El_Swordsmen]

We'll find out the legal interpretation of the letter by evening or by tomarrow. I don't think words of anyone can be taken for it legally, substantiation is required. This letter has plenty of questions attached to it and none but the prince can aswer them.

so if prince doesn't answer to SC will the letter be considered credible ?

 

[Imad.Khan]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154247213184527

 

[Farah Sohail]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154247213184527

The problem is...tht we dont know...tht whether video interviews on media are admissible as evidence in court of law? Common sense states....this case is really starightforward.with many contradictory statements by Nawaz familybut whether court will take them as proper evidence? It all comes down to intentions of court... If they want to make an example out of this case, then sufficient material is available, to disqualify Nawaz Sharif....but if they want to give a judgement similar to election rigging case..then also, they can very easily cite lack of technical evidence as the reason, not to disqualify Nawaz sharif... So, its all upto the judges really

 

[DJ_Viper]

But he said he bought those flats when he sold his steel mill in Saudi Arabia. Now why has he came up with this story while addressing the people or parliament.

Sir, I've been reading up on this story lately. I guess everyone in Pakistan has a story. I read that a previous General brought someone from some country to identify his homes and a billion rupees were a gift from someone special. That he didn't care to list or pay taxes on? Then this, and then I guess Mr. Khan will have someone special to fall back on for his offshore stuff? The cases end, all thieves of public funds are sent free. Thanks

The problem is...tht we dont know...tht whether video interviews on media are admissible as evidence in court of law? Common sense states....this case is really starightforward.with many contradictory statements by Nawaz familybut whether court will take them as proper evidence? It all comes down to intentions of court... If they want to make an example out of this case, then sufficient material is available, to disqualify Nawaz Sharif....but if they want to give a judgement similar to election rigging case..then also, they can very easily cite lack of technical evidence as the reason, not to disqualify Nawaz sharif... So, its all upto the judges really

The court doesn't take "statements", they want legal, verifiable proofs!!

 

[Knight Rider]

Don't lose Hope, maybe supreme court has enough evidence against Sharifs thats why they have rejected without reading the PTI lawmakers 700 pages evidence and they think that the evidence that they have is enough to punish sharif and dismiss him (Thats one legal opinion by a fellow Lawmaker). Justice Asif Saeed Khosa remarks shows SC is serious in solving this case. Its not between imran and sharif and they are not the only two parties involved in this , its more like SC vs Sharif & family vs Imran Khan because its an inquiry not a trail. and SC is also a party in this case.

 

[PakSword]

The problem is...tht we dont know...tht whether video interviews on media are admissible as evidence in court of law? Common sense states....this case is really starightforward.with many contradictory statements by Nawaz familybut whether court will take them as proper evidence? It all comes down to intentions of court... If they want to make an example out of this case, then sufficient material is available, to disqualify Nawaz Sharif....but if they want to give a judgement similar to election rigging case..then also, they can very easily cite lack of technical evidence as the reason, not to disqualify Nawaz sharif... So, its all upto the judges really

TV interviews are only admissible if the person confirms that this is what he meant in front of the court. Under oath, in front of the court, if the same person says something else and contradicts his earlier statement in public, the public statement will not be considered. And there is no punishment of lying in front of general public. However, lying on the floor or lying in the statements submitted to court does matter. Lying on parliament's floor can lead to disqualification.

I am not sure if the sufficient material (that fulfills the criteria of admissible evidence) is available with PTI lawyers. The only way for PTI is to prove contradictions between statements submitted in court earlier or the statements given on the floor AND the evidences being provided now.

 

[Emmie]

From public point of view, the case is really straightforward.... But dont know exactly...what the judges are thinking? Do they want to make an example, out of this case, or like election rigging case, will declare tht not sufficient technical evidence is available to punish nawaz sharif family? I am afraid, for lack of technical evidence, courts can give jdugement, like the one they gave in election rigging case...

Everyone including judges knows that Sharifs are lying through their teeth but it has no legal application, unfortunately no one has solid counter evidence to expose lies once and for all. No one but PTI is to be blamed for the report of commission constituted for probe into election rigging -- it asked for PM resignation but agreed on toothless ToRs hence toothless commission, poor modus operandi at the part of IK and his advisers.

Sharifs always get clean chit on technicalities not on merit, history reveals the fact.

Plus, PTI legal team is not helping in any way at all.... They dont have any solid evidnece, rather relying on newspaper stories.... Even judges remarked abt it. Dont know..if its intentional.on part of PTI legal team.....or just lack of hardwork..... But pti legal team is making work easy for Nawaz Sharif... Uptil now, only sheikh rasheed has made strong points in court....

What do you expect from legal team? Hamid Khan alone is not the lawyer at PTI disposal -- Naeem Bukhari, Babar Awan are also part of the team along with others. They simply can't produce what court is directing them to produce, record from BVI authorities is impossible for them. They did their best, trust me.

so if prince doesn't answer to SC will the letter be considered credible ?

Doesn't worth more than a paper then.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Don't lose Hope, maybe supreme court has enough evidence against Sharifs thats why they have rejected without reading the PTI lawmakers 700 pages evidence and they think that the evidence that they have is enough to punish sharif and dismiss him (Thats one legal opinion by a fellow Lawmaker). Justice Asif Saeed Khosa remarks shows SC is serious in solving this case. Its not between imran and sharif and they are not the only two parties involved in this , its more like SC vs Sharif & family vs Imran Khan because its an inquiry not a trail. and SC is also a party in this case.

If tht was the case... SC wiuldnt have remarked tht we cant give judgment on news paper stories....

Problem with Imran khan and PTI is tht they are more focussed on media, rather than furnishing solid evidence in SC... They are relying more on media statements by Sharif family... They should have asked themselves...its common sense tht Sharif family is lying..but are media inteviews admissible as evidence in court of law? This is where the whole problem lies.... Every day PTI says...tht Sharif family is lying.. Even right now..i see statement of Imran khan, tht we will bring Sharif family lies on media.... Everyone knows tht already.... Do they intend to win legal war through media? This is not...how courts work....and they will only get disappointment... Why not work hard, and should have brought documents/ legal evidenced uptil now, in thse 7 months, to actually corrobrate Sharif family's lies?

Abt the question, tht onus is on Sharif family to prove money trail is concerned..tht is true...but since PTI is a party to the case, and courts, have asked every party to submit their proofs, and PTI gives, books, and newspaper stories, then will it not make their case weak?

As far as Sharif family's lies are concerned...well they should be enough to disqualify Nawaz Sharif... This is the reason, i am more concentrating on Sheikh Rasheed.. He is more focussed, on his case..and knows exactly what he wants...unlike Imran khan and PTI, who every now and then, says, abt media interviews... PTi petition is related to panama, while Sheikh Rasheed petition is related, to disqualification on article 62,63 tht is lying...... Snce all these petitions are being heard simultaneously, i am just afraid tht PTI weak case on panama, doesnt negatively affect, Sheikh Rasheeds petition too... I wish these two were heard separately... But if PTI isnt able to prove their case, just hope, it doesnt affect sheikh rasheeds case.... ... But still, Sheikh Rasheed is making all the right noises in the court, and he is really focussed, whereas, whenever SC asks for proofs, all Hamid Khan has to say, tht we have already submitted, which are news stories...

@Emmie @PakSword

Wazir e azam ki zer e sadarat ijlas, adalti karawai par izhar e itmenan, zameer par kisi badunwani ka bojh nahi, zarai.... Waah

PTI should have included Aitezaz Ahsan in their legal team...

Plus, judges said to Sheikh Rasheed today, ke aap ko wakalat ka pesha apnaana chahye tha, siasat se ziada kamyab rehte.... Lolllll