Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[Emmie]

What could happen after this refusal?

All depends on SC, refusal should be at par with admission.

 

[Farah Sohail]

So Bublo has decided he won't appear before JIT? Is it because he's too fat to move or because of some other reason? @Farah Sohail @PakSword

I dont think, he can refuse to appear before JIT.. His best bet...is the hearing on 29th.... Lets see what do advocate and pakora judge do on Monday? Honestly i am getting very negative vibes because of them.. Inka kuch bharosa nahi...yeh kuch bhi karsaktay hain.. What if they stay...working of JIT till this petition is decided and reserve decision on maintaniability of H Nawaz petition? Aur jab tak decide na ho..JIT apna kaam rok dey? Theek hai..beshak kuch din JIT ko replace na karnay ka hi kahein.. Lekin sirf itna bhi agar monday ko keh diya ke jab tak yeh petition dceide nahi hojati..JIT kaam na karay? How will tht effect morale of JIT?

OR what if they reject H Nawaz petition..but at the same time give some remarks..advising JIT members to behave decently? Sirf itna kehnay se hi JIT ka morale down hojayega aur sharif family bhtt ziada khush hojayegi.. I dont think sharif family is seriously expecting tht JIT members will actually be replaced.. Hwever they want to put pressure on JIT.. I think sharif family ki kisi tactic se JIT members ko farq nahi paray ga.. They must be knowing motives behind these tactics and these may very well make their resolve more firm.. But JIT members ko agar kisi baat se farq paray ga ya unka morale down hoga..agar SC aisy koi remarks dey ke aap log apna kaam karein lekin misbehave na karein ya decently behave karein.. Aisi koi bhi remakr nahi aana chahye..... However..i can expect anything from advocate and pakora judge.. Mujhe bhtt darr hai ke woh aisa koi remark na dein.....

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Yeh bhi sahi hai.. Monday se pehlay hi JIT ne H Nawaz ko bulaa liya Shayad inhein bhi advocate aur pakora judge se darr hai ke koi garbar na kardein.. Is liye..us se pehle hi Hussain Nawaz ki class le lo..unhon ne socha
@PakSword @Emmie

 

[QatariPrince]

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LOL @ mujhy batayen mujh say chayye kya?

Hussain bhai JIT k members k suthanon kay naaray nahi hain. Wo lay ana

 

[PakSword]

I dont think, he can refuse to appear before JIT.. His best bet...is the hearing on 29th.... Lets see what do advocate and pakora judge do on Monday? Honestly i am getting very negative vibes because of them.. Inka kuch bharosa nahi...yeh kuch bhi karsaktay hain.. What if they stay...working of JIT till this petition is decided and reserve decision on maintaniability of H Nawaz petition? Aur jab tak decide na ho..JIT apna kaam rok dey? Theek hai..beshak kuch din JIT ko replace na karnay ka hi kahein.. Lekin sirf itna bhi agar monday ko keh diya ke jab tak yeh petition dceide nahi hojati..JIT kaam na karay? How will tht effect morale of JIT?

OR what if they reject H Nawaz petition..but at the same time give some remarks..advising JIT members to behave decently? Sirf itna kehnay se hi JIT ka morale down hojayega aur sharif family bhtt ziada khush hojayegi.. I dont think sharif family is seriously expecting tht JIT members will actually be replaced.. Hwever they want to put pressure on JIT.. I think sharif family ki kisi tactic se JIT members ko farq nahi paray ga.. They must be knowing motives behind these tactics and these may very well make their resolve more firm.. But JIT members ko agar kisi baat se farq paray ga ya unka morale down hoga..agar SC aisy koi remarks dey ke aap log apna kaam karein lekin misbehave na karein ya decently behave karein.. Aisi koi bhi remakr nahi aana chahye..... However..i can expect anything from advocate and pakora judge.. Mujhe bhtt darr hai ke woh aisa koi remark na dein.....





Yeh bhi sahi hai.. Monday se pehlay hi JIT ne H Nawaz ko bulaa liya Shayad inhein bhi advocate aur pakora judge se sarr hai ke koi garbar na kardein.. Is liye..us se pehle hi Hussain Nawaz ki class le lo..unhon ne socha
@PakSword @Emmie

Another great shot by JIT.

Now they will tell the court that he didn't appear and raising concerns...

 

[Farah Sohail]

Another great shot by JIT.

Now they will tell the court that he didn't appear and raising concerns...

I told you na..ke JIT ka jo ab tak behaviour chal raha hai..us se sharif family ki tactics se yeh under pressure nahi aayeinge.. Agar inko farq parr sakta hai tu SC ke bench ke remarks se.. Mujhe sirf advocate aur pakora judge ke remarks se darr lag raha hai..ke eoh kia kehtay hain Monday ko? Kaash is bench main achay judges hotay..tu H Nawaz Ko JIT ke saamnay appear na honay par arrest karnay ka keh saktay thay..ke inhehin arrest kar lein aur phir interrogate karein... Lekin wahan hain advocate and pakora judge. . Justice Ijazul Ahsan is the junior most... This is the sec notice by JIT to HNawaz... 2 dafa appear na honay par tu court arrest karnay ka keh sakti hai lekin advocate aur pakora judge kabhi aisa nahi karein ge

LOL @ mujhy batayen mujh say chayye kya?

JIT ko kehna chahye ke looti hui daulat wapis chahye.. Woh letay aana

 

[Verve]

Mujhe sirf advocate aur pakora judge ke remarks se darr lag raha hai.

But these same judges gave JIT a crystal clear go ahead to call whomever they want, just a few days ago.

Based on the court order of 5 judges one can say there's a bias in 2 but so far I can't see any bias in the Implementation Bench. The same bench rejected gov's selection of JIT members as well.

 

[Farah Sohail]

But these same judges gave JIT a crystal clear go ahead to call whomever they want, just a few days ago.

Based on the court order of 5 judges one can say there's a bias in 2 but so far I can't see any bias in the Implementation Bench. The same bench rejected gov's selection of JIT members as well.

But we should also remember pakora judge's remarks towards the end of panama case hearing.. Some of his remarks were more strict than even Justice Khosa... But jav verdict likha..then he said 62/63 deals with legal honesty only, not moral honesty...meaning PM can be morally dishonest.. None can do anything abt it.. Also he was disturbed at importance given to panama case in media..
Regd Advocate.. I always noticed one thing... Panama case main jis din..sharif family ki durgat banti thee..us din advocate hamesha khamosh rehtay thay.. Next day aatay thay tayyari se..aur sharif family ki favor main ya petitioners ke against bhtt weird logic laatay thay.. Wh next day badla liya kartay thay..jab bhi sharif family ke lawyers par tough time aata tha..
Aur ab yahan dekh lein.. Jis din JIT finalise hui..us din hi he gave remakrs ke ek leader qoum ko gumrah karraha hai... Hum ne PM ko jhoota nahi kaha.. He clearly tried to say tht IK is a liar.. Sharif family ke lies inhein aaj tak nazar nahi aaye..but gave clear remarks against Ik

Mujhe darr hai ke jaisy pehlay jab sharif family mushkil main hoti thee...tu next day sharif family ke favor main advocate koi weird logic laatay thay.. Kahin monday ko bhi aisa na kardein ke unki request to replace JIT tu reject kar dein..lekin koi aisy remarks na de dein jis se zjit ka morale down hojaye

 

[PakSword]

But we should also remember pakora judge's remarks towards the end of panama case hearing.. Some of his remarks were more strict than even Justice Khosa... But jav verdict likha..then he said 62/63 deals with legal honesty only, not moral honesty...meaning PM can be morally dishonest.. None can do anything abt it.. Also he was disturbed at importance given to panama case in media..
Regd Advocate.. I always noticed one thing... Panama case main jis din..sharif family ki durgat banti thee..us din advocate hamesha khamosh rehtay thay.. Next day aatay thay tayyari se..aur sharif family ki favor main ya petitioners ke against bhtt weird logic laatay thay.. Wh next day badla liya kartay thay..jab bhi sharif family ke lawyers par tough time aata tha..
Aur ab yahan dekh lein.. Jis din JIT finalise hui..us din hi he gave remakrs ke ek leader qoum ko gumrah karraha hai... Hum ne PM ko jhoota nahi kaha.. He clearly tried to say tht IK is a liar.. Sharif family ke lies inhein aaj tak nazar nahi aaye..but gave clear remarks against Ik

Mujhe darr hai ke jaisy pehlay jab sharif family mushkil main hoti thee...tu next day sharif family ke favor main advocate koi weird logic laatay thay.. Kahin monday ko bhi aisa na kardein ke unki request to replace JIT tu reject kar dein..lekin koi aisy remarks na de dein jis se zjit ka morale down hojaye

@Verve

I think she is right.. All of us are following this case from the beginning and at one point, I started thinking that Pakora note will be the harshest among all members of the bench.. But uss ne tou ...

Aur advocate ko samajhnay ke liey uss ka verdict parhna zaroori hai..

Regarding your question, I raised a similar one that how these judges could select gems. I couldn't find any logical reason, but their history tells us that we should remain cautious about them.

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These are the letters, from Hussain Nawaz and Tariq Shafi.. in case anyone hasn't read and wants to read the details:

Tariq Shafi's Letter:

 

[Farah Sohail]

@Verve

I think she is right.. All of us are following this case from the beginning and at one point, I started thinking that Pakora note will be the harshest among all members of the bench.. But uss ne tou ...

Aur advocate ko samajhnay ke liey uss ka verdict parhna zaroori hai..

Regarding your question, I raised a similar one that how these judges could select gems. I couldn't find any logical reason, but their history tells us that we should remain cautious about them.

I think advocate is a patwari... He was strict against PPP..but always in favor pf sharif family.. Do u remember..in PPP's era..there was once a contempt case against Babar Awan? It was when SC had initially recommended Tariq Khosa as one membr commission to investigate memogate.. He did a pressconference, alongwith other PPP members saying Tariq khosa was brother of then chief sec punjab nasir khosa, and his other brother is son in law of Justice Nasim Hasan shah, whd headed the bench which hanged bhutto (ref to Justice Khosa) he later apologised to SC, esp mentioning Justice zkhosa's name...tht I apologise to him.. However advocate was part of 2 member bench tht was hearing contempt pf court case.. But advocate gave very strict remarks against Babar Awan and didnt accept his apology... Lekin ab SC ko kuch nazar nahi aata..ke patwaris Justice akhosa ki kaisy insult karrahay hain? Even saad rafiq and rana sanaullah did..
Anyways my point was..advocate was ver diff for PPP, and he literally is an advocate of sharifs.. S us se achi umeed rakhna bekaar hai.. We can see tht from his verdict

 

[Verve]

@Verve

I think she is right.. All of us are following this case from the beginning and at one point, I started thinking that Pakora note will be the harshest among all members of the bench.. But uss ne tou ...

Aur advocate ko samajhnay ke liey uss ka verdict parhna zaroori hai..

Regarding your question, I raised a similar one that how these judges could select gems. I couldn't find any logical reason, but their history tells us that we should remain cautious about them.

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These are the letters, from Hussain Nawaz and Tariq Shafi.. in case anyone hasn't read and wants to read the details:

Tariq Shafi's Letter:

Aur phir Mogambo ke dar se Tariq Shafi Jeddah farar hogaya, aur Maryam London:

Let's remove all Army personnel on senior posts just because they may have affiliations with any political party.

Whilst we are at it, any civil servant having any affiliation (relations or business relations) with any political party should also be removed.

All judges with any affiliations with political parties should not hear the cases of anyone who has affiliations with a different political party.

Next, we should start crying victimisation due to differences in faith. If that's not enough, let's go down to sects.

SC should throw this petition out ...

 

[Farah Sohail]

@PakSword @Verve Note advocate's attitude here

Contempt charges: Awan tenders unconditional apology

ISLAMABAD: The counsel for former law minister Senator Babar Awan filed an apology letter in the Registrar Office of the Supreme Court on Tuesday.

In the apology letter submitted through Advocate Ali Zafar, Awan has tendered an unconditional apology to the Supreme Court and specifically, Justice Asif Saeed Khosa.

A two-member bench of the Supreme Court headed by Justice Ejaz Afzal, all set to indict Awan, resumed the hearing of the contempt case against him.

Justice Afzal observed that Awan will first be indicted and then the Supreme Court will think about the apology letter submitted by him.

The court expressed dissatisfaction over Awan’s absence in the hearing and said that today’s hearing date was decided after Awan’s earlier request.

Earlier, Advocate Zafar submitted an application in the apex court contending that Awan will be undergoing medical checkups in India till April 17 and hence should be exempted on the medical grounds from appearing before the court.

Contempt of court adjudication was initiated by the Supreme Court after Awan criticized an apex court verdict handed down on December 1, 2011, pertaining to the formation of a judicial commission to probe the Memogate scandal.

 

[PakSword]

Let's remove all Army personnel on senior posts just because they may have affiliations with any political party.

Whilst we are at it, any civil servant having any affiliation (relations or business relations) with any political party should also be removed.

All judges with any affiliations with political parties should not hear the cases of anyone who has affiliations with a different political party.

Next, we should start crying victimisation due to differences in faith. If that's not enough, let's go down to sects.

SC should throw this petition out ...

Pehlay I was 50-50.. Now after reading concerns of Hussain Nawaz, I am sure bench will change the members of JIT.

And then PTI will bring another petition that JIT should not work under sitting PM, who is being interrogated by it.

Then it will be turned down by the bench, citing no substance..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Pehlay I was 50-50.. Now after reading concerns of Hussain Nawaz, I am sure bench will change the members of JIT.

And then PTI will bring another petition that JIT should not work under sitting PM, who is being interrogated by it.

Then it will be turned down by the bench, citing no substance..

Mujhe lagta hai ke JIT members ko replace tu nahi karein ge...warna bhtt ziada beizzati hogi bench ki,,, woh apna bias itna openly show nahi kareinge abhi.. Verdict main karein ge.. For the same reason, ba halat e majboori they chose officers of good reputation in JIT... Onthink on monday they wont replace JIT members..esp when these two are the same ones..which have been directly chosen by the bench itself.. H wever they can give some remarks which lower the morale of JIT

 

[Verve]

Pehlay I was 50-50.. Now after reading concerns of Hussain Nawaz, I am sure bench will change the members of JIT.

And then PTI will bring another petition that JIT should not work under sitting PM, who is being interrogated by it.

Then it will be turned down by the bench, citing no substance..

If SC does change the bench, they will face public wrath .. and the blame will fall on the Bench itself for selecting such .... and then PTI will have the chance to raise questions on the judges who selected the JIT in the first place!

This will open a can of worms for these judges themselves.

 

[PakSword]

Mujhe lagta hai ke JIT members ko replace tu nahi karein ge...warna bhtt ziada beizzati hogi bench ki,,, woh apna bias itna openly show nahi kareinge abhi.. Verdict main karein ge.. For the same reason, ba halat e majboori they chose officers of good reputation in JIT... Onthink on monday they wont replace JIT members..esp when these two are the same ones..which have been directly chosen by the bench itself.. H wever they can give some remarks which lower the morale of JIT

Mujhay change hotay nazar aarahay hain sachi baat hai... dekhtay hain kia hota hai...

If SC does change the bench, they will face public wrath .. and the blame will fall on the Bench itself for selecting such .... and then PTI will have the chance to raise questions on the judges who selected the JIT in the first place!

This will open a can of worms for these judges themselves.

Unfortunately, affairs are moving in the direction you have pointed out..