Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[Zibago]

 

[abp94]

I think you missed the post where wikipedia had to block calibri font page as it was being edited continuously by multiple persons ...

Remember the post of Arslan that if I had been NS then what would I do ... I will try to create impression that JIT is impartial, report is incorrect and build that idea into the mind of masses ...

So NS is doing the same and creating such pages on google is one of such attempt ...

Font was available in 2005 to Beta Testers. Idea of any firm using a beta tested software for contracts is impossible. We all know companies don't update software until it is well set, which is why a lot of companies around the world are still on XP

It was officially released in 2007; and even then wasn't used by most companies till a couple of years later.

 

[Strike!]

I wouldn't be surprised if Shahbaz and co employ the more complex method of laundering. Showbaz is a far more clever criminal.

Basically most of the money laundering we're seeing right now is because the money had to come back to Pakistan in some form or another.

How many billions were taken as kickbacks for projects in foreign banks that have left no trail whatsoever?

 

[M. Sarmad]

Hai... agar koi qatl kare to bailable offence he aur agar koi sharab ke nashay me ya us ke paas sharab ki bottle nikal aye to non-bailable offence he!

Qatl-i-amd/Murder is a non-bailable offense ..

Consuming, owning or possessing alcohol is a bailable offense (since 2006)

 

[abp94]

If Nawaz is found guilty, all assets should be frozen and be taken by Pakistan government.

 

[Verve]

Basically most of the money laundering we're seeing right now is because the money had to come back to Pakistan in some form or another.

How many billions were taken as kickbacks for projects in foreign banks that have left no trail whatsoever?

Yes, those could be in central asian & russia and elsewhere .... I am doubtful that all money could be recovered hence earlier statement that Nawaz will have to choose between retaining what hasn't been discovered whilst in exile versus jail and let the family enjoy that undiscovered loot. Maybe his wife will convince him.

This is a battle of Ego versus Rationality ... in NS's mind.

 

[Strike!]

Page 163/164: Hassan Nawaz has 11 bank accounts in many different countries.. He refused to provide any information on these accounts.

 

[M. Sarmad]

If Nawaz is found guilty, all assets should be frozen and be taken by Pakistan government.

If ??
Bhai ab asman se sahifa utarnay se to raha
He is guilty as f-ck

 

[abp94]

If ??
Bhai ab asman se sahifa utarnay se to raha
He is guilty as f-ck

He still has to be found guilty by Supreme Court

I think he's guilty, but we have to wait.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

If Nawaz is found guilty, all assets should be frozen and be taken by Pakistan government.

It is a wishful thinking of all of us - it can only happen if there exists such a law that allows the state to take such a step (even inside Pakistan).

If ??
Bhai ab asman se sahifa utarnay se to raha
He is guilty as f-ck

Sahifa naheen lekin court ka decision zaroor chahiey.

Whatever has been presented so far does not make him guilty, these are only charges.
He, and others, have a right to defend as per law.
It will be up to the court to find him/them guilty as charged.

Yes, those could be in central asian & russia and elsewhere .... I am doubtful that all money could be recovered hence earlier statement that Nawaz will have to choose between retaining what hasn't been discovered whilst in exile versus jail and let the family enjoy that undiscovered loot. Maybe his wife will convince him.

This is a battle of Ego versus Rationality ... in NS's mind.

Well! if that is allowed to happen, it won't be justice.

Justice does not (and should not) be compromised to recover the loot.

 

[shahbaz baig]

ya allah pakistan ko har buri nazar sy bacha... or pakistan k tamaam Ghadaro, haraam khoro, corruption mafia or dumano ko nesto nabood kr dy, or oun ko duniya or akhriat mai Zalalat sy hamkinar kr.. Pakistan ko Mukhlish Rehnoma Aata farma or Jahilo sy picha chodwa dy... Ameeen ya Rab ul Alameen

 

[abp94]

It is a wishful thinking of all of us - it can only happen if there exists such a law that allows the state to take such a step (even inside Pakistan).

There are laws for this

http://fmu.gov.pk/docs/laws/Anti-Money Laundering Act 2010-As amended upto February 2016.pdf
Firstly it is relevant to this because of the bolded bit:
WHEREAS it is expedient to provide for prevention of money laundering, combating financing of terrorism and forfeiture of property derived from, or involved in, money laundering or financing of terrorism and for matters connected therewith or incidental thereto; 1. Short title, extent and commencement.— (1) This Act may be called the AntiMoney Laundering Act, 2010. (2) It extends to the whole of Pakistan. (3) This section shall come into force at once

Where the investigating officer on the basis of report received from the concerned investigating agency determines under sub-section (2) that a property is the property involved in money laundering, he shall, apply to the Court for an order confirming the attachment of the property made under subsection (1) of section 8 or retention of property or record seized under section 14 or section 15. “(3A) The Court may, after giving opportunity of hearing to the persons concerned with the property attached under sub-section (1) of section 8 or retained or seized under section 14 or section 15, pass an order confirming the attachment, retention, seizure or as the case may be, release of the property. The attachment or retention or seizure of the property shall- (a) continue during the pendency of the proceedings relating to any predicate offence or money laundering before a Court; and (b) become final if it is proved in the Court that the property is the property involved in money laundering.” (4) Where the provisional order of attachment made under sub-section (1) of section 8 has been confirmed under sub-section (3A), the investigating officer shall forthwith take possession of the attached property: 12 Provided that where the property seized is perishable in nature or subject to speedy and natural decay, or when the expense of keeping it in custody is likely to exceed its value, the Court may, on the application of the investigating officer, order immediate sale of the property in any manner deemed appropriate in the circumstances. (5) Where on conclusion of a trial for any predicate offence or money laundering, the person concerned is acquitted, the attachment of the property or retention or seizure of the property or record under sub-section (3A) and net income, if any, shall cease to have effect.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

There are laws for this

http://fmu.gov.pk/docs/laws/Anti-Money Laundering Act 2010-As amended upto February 2016.pdf
Firstly it is relevant to this because of the bolded bit:
WHEREAS it is expedient to provide for prevention of money laundering, combating financing of terrorism and forfeiture of property derived from, or involved in, money laundering or financing of terrorism and for matters connected therewith or incidental thereto; 1. Short title, extent and commencement.— (1) This Act may be called the AntiMoney Laundering Act, 2010. (2) It extends to the whole of Pakistan. (3) This section shall come into force at once

Where the investigating officer on the basis of report received from the concerned investigating agency determines under sub-section (2) that a property is the property involved in money laundering, he shall, apply to the Court for an order confirming the attachment of the property made under subsection (1) of section 8 or retention of property or record seized under section 14 or section 15. “(3A) The Court may, after giving opportunity of hearing to the persons concerned with the property attached under sub-section (1) of section 8 or retained or seized under section 14 or section 15, pass an order confirming the attachment, retention, seizure or as the case may be, release of the property. The attachment or retention or seizure of the property shall- (a) continue during the pendency of the proceedings relating to any predicate offence or money laundering before a Court; and (b) become final if it is proved in the Court that the property is the property involved in money laundering.” (4) Where the provisional order of attachment made under sub-section (1) of section 8 has been confirmed under sub-section (3A), the investigating officer shall forthwith take possession of the attached property: 12 Provided that where the property seized is perishable in nature or subject to speedy and natural decay, or when the expense of keeping it in custody is likely to exceed its value, the Court may, on the application of the investigating officer, order immediate sale of the property in any manner deemed appropriate in the circumstances. (5) Where on conclusion of a trial for any predicate offence or money laundering, the person concerned is acquitted, the attachment of the property or retention or seizure of the property or record under sub-section (3A) and net income, if any, shall cease to have effect.

If so, then GREAT.

But they appear to be specific to Money Laundering

 

[abp94]

If so, then GREAT.

Possible, but remember if Nawaz is found guilty and PML-N select another PM, it's still indirectly his government so he'll stay safe.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Whatever has been presented so far does not make him guilty, these are only charges.
He, and others, have a right to defend as per law.
It will up to the court to find him/them guilty as charged.

They were given the right to defend themselves as per law
And they have failed to provide the money trail in the Supreme Court, and in front of JIT
Awam ki Adalat mein they are certified thieves now
And rest assured that the SC won't let them go scot free