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Ye kia hai?

Sources said that the JIT members observed that NAB had provided non-certified documents. ???? Audit firm...dekhtay hain..kia hota hai?

Waisy abhi tak FIA Rehman Malik ki report ka zikr nahia aya..JIT main
I don't think Twitter is a reliable source. Respectfully.
 
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I don't think Twitter is a reliable source. Respectfully.

Its not twitter.. Link goes to abb takk channel news website... Means abb takk channel is reporting this
 
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@PakSword @Guvera @Realistic Change @Verve @QatariPrince A must read article

I Am Dissenting and I Know It

The highly anticipated judgement in the Panama Leaks case was finally announced on April 20 by a five-member bench of the Supreme Court of Pakistan. The prime minister (PM) of Pakistan was ordered to be disqualified as he had, according to two of the five judges of the bench, ceased to be a ‘Sadiq’ and an ‘Ameen’. The majority view ordered for the formation of a Joint Investigation Team (JIT) to probe into evidence provided by the PM during the course of proceedings and/or to consider any other evidence that the JIT may come across during its ‘investigation.’

In the words of a former American Chief Justice, Charles Evans Hughes, “A dissent in a Court of last resort is an appeal . . . to the intelligence of a future day, when a later decision may possibly correct the error into which the dissenting judge believes the court to have been betrayed”.

The judgement was discussed in almost all relevant quarters with Justice Khosa’s dissent note attracting glaring attention. There are various dimensions to his judgement as it appears to have discussed the issue of the PM’s disqualification in great detail, varying from reference to a quote from the famous Mario Puzo novel, The Godfather, to a layman’s estimation of the PM’s statement on the floor of parliament as being untrue. Though the judgement contains two dissenting notes, it is Justice Khosa’s note that is of unique importance, as the same reflects legal wisdom backed by clarity of mind. Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar’s judgements reveal conclusions reached through solid reasoning. Justice Khosa’s dissent has also been attacked by a few as a reflection of his possible bias against the PM and his family and they base their opinion on the reference to the quote from the The Godfather. Such criticism, for me, is born out of a lack of understanding of both the judgement and the novel. Just because the novel is based on the mafia does not necessarily mean that an analogy cannot be drawn with the same. Justice Khosa qualifies his reference when he further mentions a sentence written by Honoré de Balzac: “Le secret des grandes fortunes sans cause apparente est un crime oublié, parce qu’il a été proprement fait.” (The secret of a great success for which you are at a loss to account, is a crime that has never been found out, because it was properly executed.)

Any judge placed in his position, who genuinely felt this way, could not have reached any other conclusion and the above quote is a true reflection of the issue that was brought before the Supreme Court. The most important aspect of the judgement to be considered is whether Justice Khosa genuinely believes in his judgement. As someone from the legal fraternity, who has been appearing before Justice Khosa and is privy to his reputation as a judge, I feel he does, his past speaking volumes about his ability to pass bold and legally sound judgements. He has never shied away from passing judgements that have far-reaching effects.

An interesting aspect of Justice Khosa’s judgement deals with the conscious regard to the ground realities of our legal system and systematic flaws in the country. He has dealt in a commendable manner, with the issue of Hudaibiya Paper Mills’ National Accountability Bureau (NAB) reference no.5/2000, quashed by the Lahore High Court on merely a technical point, and the NAB’s refusal to file an appeal with regard to its revival. His comments on the conduct of the NAB chairman were not restricted to mere criticism. Justice Khosa went on to suggest a very potent alternative, namely the constitution of an Implementation Bench of the Supreme Court by the Chief Justice, for the purpose of carrying out complete justice with all the power, authority and functions of the NAB chairman, in connection with the Hudaibiya case.

A dissenting note has a legal and moral binding effect on the PM, and a lot of people have failed to appreciate this. In a common-law jurisdiction, dissenting notes carry a lot of weight and the history of the Pakistan Supreme Court’s judgements amply reflects that dissenting notes in all controversial decisions took precedence over the majority view, thus leading to the development of a quality case law later on.

Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan, commenting on the Maulvi Tamizuddin Case on my TV programme Zanjeer-e-Adal, stated, “no one remembers the majority view of Justice Munir; however, the minority view of Justice Cornelius is remembered to date and that too in good spirit.”

It came as a surprise to me when a very senior counsel termed dissenting notes as meaningless and impotent. He went so far as to say that he doesn’t even read a minority view in a judgement. Dissenting judgements have far-reaching consequences and are morally, if not legally, binding. The present dissenting judgements most certainly merit the PM’s resignation as they have triggered a strong debate in society about the implication of a minority view in the judgement. Almost all opposition political parties, along with professionals, including but not limited to members of the legal fraternity, have demanded the PM’s resignation, clearly highlighting the importance of dissenting judgements. The minority view in the judgement has been able to achieve what the majority view could not, on account of being unclear. The majority view is in contrast to the reasoning behind it, giving rise to questions such as the status of Maryam Nawaz, the role of the PM’s two sons, and the role and muscle of the JIT, as well as several other issues, the future of which remains uncertain.

There is nothing better than when an impressive dissent leads the author of the majority opinion to refine and clarify his or her judgement. A good dissenting opinion can help avoid embarrassment of the court; it can correct the court’s mistakes and prevent mistakes in future judgements. An example of this is the clear disregard of the dictum laid down in Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s death sentence awarded by the Supreme Court of Pakistan, in all its subsequent pronouncements of a similar nature. This dissenting judgement in the present case shall also act as a roadmap for the majority, in case credible evidence is placed before them by the JIT after 60 days.

Another genre of dissent aims to attract immediate public attention and, thereby, to propel change through legislation. Justice Khosa’s judgement shed light on a glaring issue, igniting a debate to reform various laws, such as those that deal with anti-money laundering and parliamentary privilege. The common man fails to understand the purpose of parliamentary privilege, or of an Anti-Money Laundering Act 2010 that considers money laundering an offence only if it has been committed in aid of another crime. Simply sending money out of Pakistan without going through the legal channels, is not an offence triable under the said act; this has raised questions in concerned quarters. Furthermore, the government’s ill intent became quite visible when the Companies Ordinance 2016 was passed overnight, with provisions dealing with directors of offshore companies. The Inquiries and Commissions Bill 2016 was also tabled in an attempt to control the workings of a judicial commission that was to be formed at the time, for the Panama Leaks case. The government also proposed the 24th Constitutional Amendment, whereby the right of appeal was to be introduced in Article 184(3) of the Constitution of Pakistan. It’s quite unfortunate that the said changes were attempted only to benefit the PM and his family and were never made in good faith.

Although I appreciate the value of unanimous opinions, I will always value dissent when important matters are at stake. As Bertrand Russell aptly put it, “I find more pleasure in intelligent dissent than in passive agreement.” Justice Khosa’s judgement is a symbol of strength for many who had lost their belief in the system. I expect the judges in the majority to revisit their findings upon receipt of, hopefully, an exhaustive report by the JIT.

The writer is a lawyer based in Lahore and an analyst on a Capital TV talk show, ‘Zanjeer-e-Adal.’

http://newslinemagazine.com/magazine/i-am-dissenting-and-i-know-it/.
 
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@PakSword @Guvera @Realistic Change @Verve @QatariPrince A must read article

I Am Dissenting and I Know It

The highly anticipated judgement in the Panama Leaks case was finally announced on April 20 by a five-member bench of the Supreme Court of Pakistan. The prime minister (PM) of Pakistan was ordered to be disqualified as he had, according to two of the five judges of the bench, ceased to be a ‘Sadiq’ and an ‘Ameen’. The majority view ordered for the formation of a Joint Investigation Team (JIT) to probe into evidence provided by the PM during the course of proceedings and/or to consider any other evidence that the JIT may come across during its ‘investigation.’

In the words of a former American Chief Justice, Charles Evans Hughes, “A dissent in a Court of last resort is an appeal . . . to the intelligence of a future day, when a later decision may possibly correct the error into which the dissenting judge believes the court to have been betrayed”.

The judgement was discussed in almost all relevant quarters with Justice Khosa’s dissent note attracting glaring attention. There are various dimensions to his judgement as it appears to have discussed the issue of the PM’s disqualification in great detail, varying from reference to a quote from the famous Mario Puzo novel, The Godfather, to a layman’s estimation of the PM’s statement on the floor of parliament as being untrue. Though the judgement contains two dissenting notes, it is Justice Khosa’s note that is of unique importance, as the same reflects legal wisdom backed by clarity of mind. Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar’s judgements reveal conclusions reached through solid reasoning. Justice Khosa’s dissent has also been attacked by a few as a reflection of his possible bias against the PM and his family and they base their opinion on the reference to the quote from the The Godfather. Such criticism, for me, is born out of a lack of understanding of both the judgement and the novel. Just because the novel is based on the mafia does not necessarily mean that an analogy cannot be drawn with the same. Justice Khosa qualifies his reference when he further mentions a sentence written by Honoré de Balzac: “Le secret des grandes fortunes sans cause apparente est un crime oublié, parce qu’il a été proprement fait.” (The secret of a great success for which you are at a loss to account, is a crime that has never been found out, because it was properly executed.)

Any judge placed in his position, who genuinely felt this way, could not have reached any other conclusion and the above quote is a true reflection of the issue that was brought before the Supreme Court. The most important aspect of the judgement to be considered is whether Justice Khosa genuinely believes in his judgement. As someone from the legal fraternity, who has been appearing before Justice Khosa and is privy to his reputation as a judge, I feel he does, his past speaking volumes about his ability to pass bold and legally sound judgements. He has never shied away from passing judgements that have far-reaching effects.

An interesting aspect of Justice Khosa’s judgement deals with the conscious regard to the ground realities of our legal system and systematic flaws in the country. He has dealt in a commendable manner, with the issue of Hudaibiya Paper Mills’ National Accountability Bureau (NAB) reference no.5/2000, quashed by the Lahore High Court on merely a technical point, and the NAB’s refusal to file an appeal with regard to its revival. His comments on the conduct of the NAB chairman were not restricted to mere criticism. Justice Khosa went on to suggest a very potent alternative, namely the constitution of an Implementation Bench of the Supreme Court by the Chief Justice, for the purpose of carrying out complete justice with all the power, authority and functions of the NAB chairman, in connection with the Hudaibiya case.

A dissenting note has a legal and moral binding effect on the PM, and a lot of people have failed to appreciate this. In a common-law jurisdiction, dissenting notes carry a lot of weight and the history of the Pakistan Supreme Court’s judgements amply reflects that dissenting notes in all controversial decisions took precedence over the majority view, thus leading to the development of a quality case law later on.

Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan, commenting on the Maulvi Tamizuddin Case on my TV programme Zanjeer-e-Adal, stated, “no one remembers the majority view of Justice Munir; however, the minority view of Justice Cornelius is remembered to date and that too in good spirit.”

It came as a surprise to me when a very senior counsel termed dissenting notes as meaningless and impotent. He went so far as to say that he doesn’t even read a minority view in a judgement. Dissenting judgements have far-reaching consequences and are morally, if not legally, binding. The present dissenting judgements most certainly merit the PM’s resignation as they have triggered a strong debate in society about the implication of a minority view in the judgement. Almost all opposition political parties, along with professionals, including but not limited to members of the legal fraternity, have demanded the PM’s resignation, clearly highlighting the importance of dissenting judgements. The minority view in the judgement has been able to achieve what the majority view could not, on account of being unclear. The majority view is in contrast to the reasoning behind it, giving rise to questions such as the status of Maryam Nawaz, the role of the PM’s two sons, and the role and muscle of the JIT, as well as several other issues, the future of which remains uncertain.

There is nothing better than when an impressive dissent leads the author of the majority opinion to refine and clarify his or her judgement. A good dissenting opinion can help avoid embarrassment of the court; it can correct the court’s mistakes and prevent mistakes in future judgements. An example of this is the clear disregard of the dictum laid down in Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s death sentence awarded by the Supreme Court of Pakistan, in all its subsequent pronouncements of a similar nature. This dissenting judgement in the present case shall also act as a roadmap for the majority, in case credible evidence is placed before them by the JIT after 60 days.

Another genre of dissent aims to attract immediate public attention and, thereby, to propel change through legislation. Justice Khosa’s judgement shed light on a glaring issue, igniting a debate to reform various laws, such as those that deal with anti-money laundering and parliamentary privilege. The common man fails to understand the purpose of parliamentary privilege, or of an Anti-Money Laundering Act 2010 that considers money laundering an offence only if it has been committed in aid of another crime. Simply sending money out of Pakistan without going through the legal channels, is not an offence triable under the said act; this has raised questions in concerned quarters. Furthermore, the government’s ill intent became quite visible when the Companies Ordinance 2016 was passed overnight, with provisions dealing with directors of offshore companies. The Inquiries and Commissions Bill 2016 was also tabled in an attempt to control the workings of a judicial commission that was to be formed at the time, for the Panama Leaks case. The government also proposed the 24th Constitutional Amendment, whereby the right of appeal was to be introduced in Article 184(3) of the Constitution of Pakistan. It’s quite unfortunate that the said changes were attempted only to benefit the PM and his family and were never made in good faith.

Although I appreciate the value of unanimous opinions, I will always value dissent when important matters are at stake. As Bertrand Russell aptly put it, “I find more pleasure in intelligent dissent than in passive agreement.” Justice Khosa’s judgement is a symbol of strength for many who had lost their belief in the system. I expect the judges in the majority to revisit their findings upon receipt of, hopefully, an exhaustive report by the JIT.

The writer is a lawyer based in Lahore and an analyst on a Capital TV talk show, ‘Zanjeer-e-Adal.’

http://newslinemagazine.com/magazine/i-am-dissenting-and-i-know-it/.

This is indeed a must read masterpiece. Thanks for sharing.

@PakSword @Farah Sohail @Guvera @Dil Pakistan

Was waiting for next PMLN blunder and it is all over Dawn again ... Leak of CPEC masterplan, well one of the versions.

Siyassi Shaheed Attempt No. 2

How? What's the significance of this masterplan?
 
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@PakSword @Farah Sohail @Guvera @Dil Pakistan

Was waiting for next PMLN blunder and it is all over Dawn again ... Leak of CPEC masterplan, well one of the versions.

Siyassi Shaheed Attempt No. 2

Whether its dawn leaks 2 or 3 or Dawn leaks 1000.... I simply dont care... Infact now I will feel happy whenever any other version of dawn leaks happens... Is tarah tu hota hai, phir is tarah ke kaamon main...
And no..dont worry abt siyasi shaheed attempt.. Pakistan can be sold...but no siyasi shaheed will allowed to be made.. And apparently...acc to our state instituitions....perfectly constituitional steps to be taken ...also mean...tht siyasi shaheed will be made ... So enjoy

I am watching Dr Shahid Masood's prog right now...and he says ...tht establishment aur PPP leadership ke darmyaan phir se contacts huay hain..jo bilkol khatam hogaye thay during Gen Raheel Sharif's time........and now u can notice ...teh change in Asif Zardari's style and speeches recently... He is much more composed now, and is talking abt global politics too... Waisy tu shayad main yaqeen na karti Dr Shahid ki baat par...lekin seeeing our current army leadership....it is very much possible...

Theek hai Gen Bajwa ne khud initiatives nahi liye hain...but atleast dont reverse the gains of Gen Raheel Sharif's time.. Have some mercy and dont make Zardari relevant again, pleeaaaseeee...

Now i am worried abt Karachi..... Rangers operation has lost its steam and no hi profile arrest has been made since Gen Bajwa became COAS.... Ab darr hai ke agar Altaf Hussain ki bhi speeches dobara allow na kardein? Ya yeh nahi..tu kahin strikes wala culture dobara start na hojaye... Allah Allah kar ke bhtt arse baad Gen Raheel Sharif ke time main Karachi ke logon ne sukoon ka saans liya tha.. Please dont reverse all of it..

Main Dr Shahid Masood ki PPP aur establishment ke contacts par shayad yaqeen na karti...lekin aaj kal jo horaha hai.....us main ye itna unbelievable nahi hai.... Hsakta hai ke waqayi contacts huay hon..He said ke pichlay kuch din main aisi developments hui hain ...aur Zardari bhi bhtt active hogaye hain recently... So Shahid Masood ki baat main wazan lag raha hai..

@PakSword @Guvera @Realistic Change

This is indeed a must read masterpiece. Thanks for sharing.

Hain na??? Its a brilliant article... Aur jo log dissentng note ki importance ko kam karnay ki koshish karrahay thay...un ke liye bhtt acha reply hai... Aur is article main Justice Khosa ki dissenting judgment ko bhtt acha explain kiya hai
 
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How? What's the significance of this masterplan?

What was the significance of first Dawn Leaks? To malign PA, yes?

This masterplan leak will be used by the snakes and enemies to sabotage CPEC. They will create so much negative hype and try to turn public opinion against it. Read Dawn's article and look at the cartoons - it oozes negativity.

All this is foreign sponsored and backed, by our enemies and Nawaz is willingly being used.
 
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@PakSword @Guvera @Realistic Change @Verve @QatariPrince A must read article

I Am Dissenting and I Know It

The highly anticipated judgement in the Panama Leaks case was finally announced on April 20 by a five-member bench of the Supreme Court of Pakistan. The prime minister (PM) of Pakistan was ordered to be disqualified as he had, according to two of the five judges of the bench, ceased to be a ‘Sadiq’ and an ‘Ameen’. The majority view ordered for the formation of a Joint Investigation Team (JIT) to probe into evidence provided by the PM during the course of proceedings and/or to consider any other evidence that the JIT may come across during its ‘investigation.’

In the words of a former American Chief Justice, Charles Evans Hughes, “A dissent in a Court of last resort is an appeal . . . to the intelligence of a future day, when a later decision may possibly correct the error into which the dissenting judge believes the court to have been betrayed”.

The judgement was discussed in almost all relevant quarters with Justice Khosa’s dissent note attracting glaring attention. There are various dimensions to his judgement as it appears to have discussed the issue of the PM’s disqualification in great detail, varying from reference to a quote from the famous Mario Puzo novel, The Godfather, to a layman’s estimation of the PM’s statement on the floor of parliament as being untrue. Though the judgement contains two dissenting notes, it is Justice Khosa’s note that is of unique importance, as the same reflects legal wisdom backed by clarity of mind. Justice Khosa and Justice Gulzar’s judgements reveal conclusions reached through solid reasoning. Justice Khosa’s dissent has also been attacked by a few as a reflection of his possible bias against the PM and his family and they base their opinion on the reference to the quote from the The Godfather. Such criticism, for me, is born out of a lack of understanding of both the judgement and the novel. Just because the novel is based on the mafia does not necessarily mean that an analogy cannot be drawn with the same. Justice Khosa qualifies his reference when he further mentions a sentence written by Honoré de Balzac: “Le secret des grandes fortunes sans cause apparente est un crime oublié, parce qu’il a été proprement fait.” (The secret of a great success for which you are at a loss to account, is a crime that has never been found out, because it was properly executed.)

Any judge placed in his position, who genuinely felt this way, could not have reached any other conclusion and the above quote is a true reflection of the issue that was brought before the Supreme Court. The most important aspect of the judgement to be considered is whether Justice Khosa genuinely believes in his judgement. As someone from the legal fraternity, who has been appearing before Justice Khosa and is privy to his reputation as a judge, I feel he does, his past speaking volumes about his ability to pass bold and legally sound judgements. He has never shied away from passing judgements that have far-reaching effects.

An interesting aspect of Justice Khosa’s judgement deals with the conscious regard to the ground realities of our legal system and systematic flaws in the country. He has dealt in a commendable manner, with the issue of Hudaibiya Paper Mills’ National Accountability Bureau (NAB) reference no.5/2000, quashed by the Lahore High Court on merely a technical point, and the NAB’s refusal to file an appeal with regard to its revival. His comments on the conduct of the NAB chairman were not restricted to mere criticism. Justice Khosa went on to suggest a very potent alternative, namely the constitution of an Implementation Bench of the Supreme Court by the Chief Justice, for the purpose of carrying out complete justice with all the power, authority and functions of the NAB chairman, in connection with the Hudaibiya case.

A dissenting note has a legal and moral binding effect on the PM, and a lot of people have failed to appreciate this. In a common-law jurisdiction, dissenting notes carry a lot of weight and the history of the Pakistan Supreme Court’s judgements amply reflects that dissenting notes in all controversial decisions took precedence over the majority view, thus leading to the development of a quality case law later on.

Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan, commenting on the Maulvi Tamizuddin Case on my TV programme Zanjeer-e-Adal, stated, “no one remembers the majority view of Justice Munir; however, the minority view of Justice Cornelius is remembered to date and that too in good spirit.”

It came as a surprise to me when a very senior counsel termed dissenting notes as meaningless and impotent. He went so far as to say that he doesn’t even read a minority view in a judgement. Dissenting judgements have far-reaching consequences and are morally, if not legally, binding. The present dissenting judgements most certainly merit the PM’s resignation as they have triggered a strong debate in society about the implication of a minority view in the judgement. Almost all opposition political parties, along with professionals, including but not limited to members of the legal fraternity, have demanded the PM’s resignation, clearly highlighting the importance of dissenting judgements. The minority view in the judgement has been able to achieve what the majority view could not, on account of being unclear. The majority view is in contrast to the reasoning behind it, giving rise to questions such as the status of Maryam Nawaz, the role of the PM’s two sons, and the role and muscle of the JIT, as well as several other issues, the future of which remains uncertain.

There is nothing better than when an impressive dissent leads the author of the majority opinion to refine and clarify his or her judgement. A good dissenting opinion can help avoid embarrassment of the court; it can correct the court’s mistakes and prevent mistakes in future judgements. An example of this is the clear disregard of the dictum laid down in Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s death sentence awarded by the Supreme Court of Pakistan, in all its subsequent pronouncements of a similar nature. This dissenting judgement in the present case shall also act as a roadmap for the majority, in case credible evidence is placed before them by the JIT after 60 days.

Another genre of dissent aims to attract immediate public attention and, thereby, to propel change through legislation. Justice Khosa’s judgement shed light on a glaring issue, igniting a debate to reform various laws, such as those that deal with anti-money laundering and parliamentary privilege. The common man fails to understand the purpose of parliamentary privilege, or of an Anti-Money Laundering Act 2010 that considers money laundering an offence only if it has been committed in aid of another crime. Simply sending money out of Pakistan without going through the legal channels, is not an offence triable under the said act; this has raised questions in concerned quarters. Furthermore, the government’s ill intent became quite visible when the Companies Ordinance 2016 was passed overnight, with provisions dealing with directors of offshore companies. The Inquiries and Commissions Bill 2016 was also tabled in an attempt to control the workings of a judicial commission that was to be formed at the time, for the Panama Leaks case. The government also proposed the 24th Constitutional Amendment, whereby the right of appeal was to be introduced in Article 184(3) of the Constitution of Pakistan. It’s quite unfortunate that the said changes were attempted only to benefit the PM and his family and were never made in good faith.

Although I appreciate the value of unanimous opinions, I will always value dissent when important matters are at stake. As Bertrand Russell aptly put it, “I find more pleasure in intelligent dissent than in passive agreement.” Justice Khosa’s judgement is a symbol of strength for many who had lost their belief in the system. I expect the judges in the majority to revisit their findings upon receipt of, hopefully, an exhaustive report by the JIT.

The writer is a lawyer based in Lahore and an analyst on a Capital TV talk show, ‘Zanjeer-e-Adal.’

http://newslinemagazine.com/magazine/i-am-dissenting-and-i-know-it/.

Thanks @Farah Sohail for the tag and sharing it here, absolutely spot on and nails the issues which make or break the true and just systems. Much appreciated!

Whether its dawn leaks 2 or 3 or Dawn leaks 1000.... I simply dont care... Infact now I will feel happy whenever any other version of dawn leaks happens... Is tarah tu hota hai, phir is tarah ke kaamon main...
And no..dont worry abt siyasi shaheed attempt.. Pakistan can be sold...but no siyasi shaheed will allowed to be made.. And apparently...acc to our state instituitions....perfectly constituitional steps to be taken ...also mean...tht siyasi shaheed will be made ... So enjoy

I am watching Dr Shahid Masood's prog right now...and he says ...tht establishment aur PPP leadership ke darmyaan phir se contacts huay hain..jo bilkol khatam hogaye thay during Gen Raheel Sharif's time........and now u can notice ...teh change in Asif Zardari's style and speeches recently... He is much more composed now, and is talking abt global politics too... Waisy tu shayad main yaqeen na karti Dr Shahid ki baat par...lekin seeeing our current army leadership....it is very much possible...

Theek hai Gen Bajwa ne khud initiatives nahi liye hain...but atleast dont reverse the gains of Gen Raheel Sharif's time.. Have some mercy and dont make Zardari relevant again, pleeaaaseeee...

Now i am worried abt Karachi..... Rangers operation has lost its steam and no hi profile arrest has been made since Gen Bajwa became COAS.... Ab darr hai ke agar Altaf Hussain ki bhi speeches dobara allow na kardein? Ya yeh nahi..tu kahin strikes wala culture dobara start na hojaye... Allah Allah kar ke bhtt arse baad Gen Raheel Sharif ke time main Karachi ke logon ne sukoon ka saans liya tha.. Please dont reverse all of it..

Main Dr Shahid Masood ki PPP aur establishment ke contacts par shayad yaqeen na karti...lekin aaj kal jo horaha hai.....us main ye itna unbelievable nahi hai.... Hsakta hai ke waqayi contacts huay hon..He said ke pichlay kuch din main aisi developments hui hain ...aur Zardari bhi bhtt active hogaye hain recently... So Shahid Masood ki baat main wazan lag raha hai..

@PakSword @Guvera @Realistic Change



Hain na??? Its a brilliant article... Aur jo log dissentng note ki importance ko kam karnay ki koshish karrahay thay...un ke liye bhtt acha reply hai... Aur is article main Justice Khosa ki dissenting judgment ko bhtt acha explain kiya hai

As discussed before, PPP has a lot of significance till next elections take place.
 
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Thanks @Farah Sohail for the tag and sharing it here, absolutely spot on and nails the issues which make or break the true and just systems. Much appreciated!
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Even I loved the article... And the author is absolutely right when he says tht Justice Khosa never shies away from giving bold decisions...

I was reading his book...and came to know...tht in one of his judgment...which was about defining terrorism..Justice Khosa (as judge of LHC..at the time) criticised few judgments of SC on the matter, tht SC has given confusing and contradictory verdicts on this matter inndoffenret cases and he had received harsh comments from SC.. However later SC in other judgments accepted his verdict and even quoted his verdict as referernce in other cases

In another case..he as a single member bench....as LHC judge criticised a judgment of LHC full bench in a case....and said tht same LHC full member bench given two opposite judgments on the same day...on one issue.. And said LHC full member bench didnt consider SC verdicts on the case.... Here again his verdict was accepted later..

So its not the first time tht Justice Khosa has dissented with the majority opinion and his opinions have been proven correct later... I am sure..tht in this panama case too, his dissenting verdict will be legally accepted / proven correct later.. InshaAllah
 
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Nothing is going to happen to GODFATHER, he is too powerful, he will walk free from this case, just like Dawn leaks part 1. There is no hope for justice in Pakistan.
 
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As discussed before, PPP has a lot of significance till next elections take place.

I am unable to understand why is Gen bajwa reversing all gains made in Gen Raheel Sharif's era? Zardari was cornered in Gen Raheel sharif's era, thanks to karachi operation and now he is again being made relevant.. WHY?????Peace came to karachi as result of tht operation.. MQ was cornered... Strike culture ended... Only karachiites can truly appreciate the effects of tht operation... But now karachi operation has lost all its steam.. No high profile arrest amde, since he became COAS..and those arrested during Gen Raheel Sharif's time...have been given relief now.. Why?? I am afraid ke MQM ko bhi dobara space na mil jaye..

Ye sab kiun horaha hai? zardari se laga tha ke jaan choot gayi...ab woh dobara fed govt main nahi aasaktay.. Lekin ab agar establishment Zardari se apnay relations phir theek kar leti hai tu :( :( WHY is it happening? What is Gen Bajwa thinking,.what does he want??
 
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I am unable to understand why is Gen bajwa reversing all gains made in Gen Raheel Sharif's era? Zardari was cornered in Gen Raheel sharif's era, thanks to karachi operation and now he is again being made relevant.. WHY?????Peace came to karachi as result of tht operation.. MQ was cornered... Strike culture ended... Only karachiites can truly appreciate the effects of tht operation... But now karachi operation has lost all its steam.. No high profile arrest amde, since he became COAS..and those arrested during Gen Raheel Sharif's time...have been given relief now.. Why?? I am afraid ke MQM ko bhi dobara space na mil jaye..

Ye sab kiun horaha hai? zardari se laga tha ke jaan choot gayi...ab woh dobara fed govt main nahi aasaktay.. Lekin ab agar establishment Zardari se apnay relations phir theek kar leti hai tu :( :( WHY is it happening? What is Gen Bajwa thinking,.what does he want??

That only Gen Bajwa can tell that what's his strategy and thought process. Not even any CC can give that insight.

The fact of the matter is that in current parliament and scenario both PPP and MQM are important from certain aspects. We (group members of this forum) did touch upon this in previous posts - what's happening in ISB in last week.

Let's see how this pans out - hopefully in best interests if the country.
 
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That only Gen Bajwa can tell that what's his strategy and thought process. Not even any CC can give that insight.

The fact of the matter is that in current parliament and scenario both PPP and MQM are important from certain aspects. We (group members of this forum) did touch upon this in previous posts - what's happening in ISB in last week.

Let's see how this pans out - hopefully in best interests if the country.

Plzz dont say..best interest of the country... Because whenever any NRO is done...its told tht its done in "national interest"

I hope whatever happens..it happens in the interest of general public, not tht of elite... But atleast I am highly and extremely disappointed by current military leadership... I hope Gen Bajwa doesnt prove to be for army...what Zardari was to PPP
 
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Plzz dont say..best interest of the country... Because whenever any NRO is done...its told tht its done in "national interest"

I hope whatever happens..it happens in the interest of general public, not tht of elite... But atleast I am highly and extremely disappointed by current military leadership... I hope Gen Bajwa doesnt prove to be for army...what Zardari was to PPP

LOL - that's when politicians say that.

I am an investment banker and consultant with no direct political clout - basically a simple commoner (awaam) with no agenda :)
 
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