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[PakSword]

It's called sense of humour

Bhai jan, it was not a joke in anyway, he was very serious.. Bas aaj kal offshore companies itna sawar hochuka hai unn ke ke Hazrat Shoaib alehe salam ki qaum ko bhi uss main mulawis kardia..

Waisay jab unhon ne offshore companies ka zikar kia tou mujhay laga ke abhi woh dawn leaks ka bhi ilzam thonkaingay.. aur kahain ge ke uss ke baad Shoaib Alehe Salam ki qaum pe operation dhabardoos hua..

 

[Verve]

IK has been given a lot of respect during the meeting. I even told you that there is a general belief among a lot of officers that in 2018 elections, PTI will emerge as a formidable political power in Pakistan. They see IK as a very strong opposition leader (unlike khursheed shah), if not a PM. Any bill that will be tabled will have to have PTIs support in order to get passed from the national assembly after 2018. This is the general consensus. That is why he was given so much importance and told about all the pros and cons of participating in IMAAFT.

He was not convinced, but everyone (including his party members) believed that he will have a very soft stance on this issue after this meeting as a lot of reasoning was given in favor of this decision. Plus the issue of FATA and the WOT, he was explained about the POV of PA.

I think IK was happy that he is taken into confidence and the only demand that remained was to bring this issue in parliament to have a debate and decide (still not convinced but tried to find a way out through NA).

What has happened in the past two days has led me to believe that IK is being surrounded by either double agents or fools, who have no idea what they talk about.

IK needs to clean his house ... he's got anti-establishment snakes in his ranks and more of these planted lots will get exposed like that insane old man.

Bhai jan, it was not a joke in anyway, he was very serious.. Bas aaj kal offshore companies itna sawar hochuka hai unn ke ke Hazrat Shoaib alehe salam ki qaum ko bhi uss main mulawis kardia..

Waisay jab unhon ne offshore companies ka zikar kia tou mujhay laga ke abhi woh dawn leaks ka bhi ilzam thonkaingay.. aur kahain ge ke uss ke baad Shoaib Alehe Salam ki qaum pe operation dhabardoos hua..

He was serious but if you understand his style, it was humour inducted serious comment. He had said this story in an earlier episode without the offshore bit, this time around he added it.

 

[PakSword]

IK needs to clean his house ... he's got anti-establishment snakes in his ranks and more of these planted lots will get exposed like that insane old man.

I tell you another story.. Remember when IK and Allama sahib was called by Gen RS? He was assured that Gen RS will support with whatever he could in rigging investigations, and he also assured Allama sahib that he will make sure that the victims would get punishment. It was an understanding that nothing will go out of GHQ what has been discussed..

Uss ke baad aap ko pata hai kia hua.. IK ne kaha ke Gen RS ne kaha ke he will ensure investigation but will not support removal of PM (as it is not his constitutional role and he would have to impose martial law or suspend aaein e Pakistan to do it). IK said that he didn't accept Gen RS offer because he has made it clear to RS that investigation will not be transparent if PM remains in power.

And Allama sahib tou sab ko batatay phir rahay thay ke gen RS ne yaqeen dila dia hai ke culprits ko kaifar e kirdaar tak pohanchwake dum laingay..

All this wasn't supposed to go out, but these two persons in their stupidity incurred a lot of damage on the relationship.. After that Gen RS after advice from senior officers decided not to even entertain their calls.

@Farah Sohail

 

[Farah Sohail]

IK said that he didn't accept Gen RS offer because he has made it clear to RS that investigation will not be transparent if PM remains in power.

All this wasn't supposed to go out, but these two persons in their stupidity incurred a lot of damage on the relationship.. After that Gen RS after advice from senior officers decided not to even entertain their calls.

@Farah Sohail

@bold... And yet..after sometime.. IK on its own accepted tht rigging investigation, under the same PM... Tu pehlay hi Gen RS ki baat maan lete? Atleast then, Gen RS would have ensured a more powerfyl commission or more serious /fair investigations..

But then, IK wanted to show ke main kisi ki nahi maanta.. Main na manoo... But phir khud hi u turn le liya aur us par hi maan gaye.. Jab achi offer horahi thee...tab nahi maanay...

Aur ab doosray COAS se milnay ke baad two ex COAS ke baaray main propaganda shuru kar diya... Showing army, tht just like PML N, PTI cant be trusted too

 

[Verve]

I tell you another story.. Remember when IK and Allama sahib was called by Gen RS? He was assured that Gen RS will support with whatever he could in rigging investigations, and he also assured Allama sahib that he will make sure that the victims would get punishment. It was an understanding that nothing will go out of GHQ what has been discussed..

Uss ke baad aap ko pata hai kia hua.. IK ne kaha ke Gen RS ne kaha ke he will ensure investigation but will not support removal of PM (as it is not his constitutional role and he would have to impose martial law or suspend aaein e Pakistan to do it). IK said that he didn't accept Gen RS offer because he has made it clear to RS that investigation will not be transparent if PM remains in power.

And Allama sahib tou sab ko batatay phir rahay thay ke gen RS ne yaqeen dila dia hai ke culprits ko kaifar e kirdaar tak pohanchwake dum laingay..

All this wasn't supposed to go out, but these two persons in their stupidity incurred a lot of damage on the relationship.. After that Gen RS after advice from senior officers decided not to even entertain their calls.

@Farah Sohail

COAS/Army has no constitutional power to carry out investigation from a non-constitutional agreement - either the parliament gives power to Army or the court does - then only it is legal. IK did the right thing by not going for it, otherwise many here would be saying that he paid no regard to the illegality of it all.

 

[PakSword]

@bold... And yet..after sometime.. IK on its own accepted tht rigging investigation, under the same PM... Tu pehlay hi Gen RS ki baat maan lete? Atleast then, Gen RS would have ensured a more powerfyl commission or more serious /fair investigations..

But then, IK wanted to show ke main kisi ki nahi maanta.. Main na manoo... But phir khud hi u turn le liya aur us par hi maan gaye.. Jab achi offer horahi thee...tab nahi maanay...

Aur ab doosray COAS se milnay ke baad two ex COAS ke baaray main propaganda shuru kar diya... Showing army, tht just like PML N, PTI cant be trusted too

I think IK decided after meeting with Gen Bajwa that he will only request to bring the issue in Parliament and then will not oppose it.. It will save his and party's face.

But his members.. pheww. ch ch ch ch ch

 

[Farah Sohail]

All this wasn't supposed to go out,

@Farah Sohail

On this, i think..it wasnt possible... Because it was a declared meeting at the peak of dharna...ISPR's tweet came.... So unhein wapis aa kar bataana tu tha hi ke kia baat hui?

But yes..IK should have accepted Gen Raheel Sharif's offer at tht time..rather than main na manoo

 

[PakSword]

COAS/Army has no constitutional power to carry out investigation from a non-constitutional agreement - either the parliament gives power to Army or the court does - then only it is legal. IK did the right thing by not going for it, otherwise many here would be saying that he paid no regard to the illegality of it all.

Yaar Verve it was IKs demand to persuade PM to resign.. on which Gen RS said he can't do it.. and then IK said he can't accept his offer as whatever Gen RS will do, will not be effective.. because PM was still in the office.
So who made the unconstitutional demand?

Gen RS went out of the way to ensure filing of FIR, with right wording.. He was supposed to act from behind only, within the constitution of course..

 

[Farah Sohail]

I think IK decided after meeting with Gen Bajwa that he will only request to bring the issue in Parliament and then will not oppose it.. It will save his and party's face.

But his members.. pheww. ch ch ch ch ch

IK ne hi tu unn members ko apna spokesman banaya hai...... Aur mujhe tu Shireen Mazari ki tweet par soch soch kar ye ghussa aaraha hai..ke bilkol idiotic baat kar ke aap ne Gen Raheel Sharif ko hit kiya...jis main koi substance/logic kisi tarah ki nahi thee.,

Ya tu koi issue hota,, kehte ke dawn leaks par kuch nahi kiya, ya terrorism ke khilaf action main ye kami reh gayi..lekin keh kiya rahi hain ke woh national hero kiun hain?

 

[PakSword]

On this, i think..it wasnt possible... Because it was a declared meeting at the peak of dharna...ISPR's tweet came.... So unhein wapis aa kar bataana tu tha hi ke kia baat hui?

But yes..IK should have accepted Gen Raheel Sharif's offer at tht time..rather than main na manoo

Batana tou tha... but not everything..

Do you think jo Gen RS ne wada kia tha FIR darj karwane ka.. aur unn ki koshishon se FIR darj huee, woh bahir aaney wali baat thi? Allama sahib ne wahan bhi kaam kharab kia.. unn ko chahiey tha aam khatay, darakht na gintay..

Khair kia kahain.. gone is gone..

IK ne hi tu unn members ko apna spokesman banaya hai...... Aur mujhe tu Shireen Mazari ki tweet par soch soch kar ye ghussa aaraha hai..ke bilkol idiotic baat kar ke aap ne Gen Raheel Sharif ko hit kiya...jis main koi substance/logic kisi tarah ki nahi thee.,

Ya tu koi issue hota,, kehte ke dawn leaks par kuch nahi kiya, ya terrorism ke khilaf action main ye kami reh gayi..lekin keh kiya rahi hain ke woh national hero kiun hain?

She is an Iranian influenced lady. I will not say anything more than that.. She needs to be kicked out.. Both herself and Naeem ul Haq..

Har banda PTI main leader hai, aur har banda spokesperson..

Pehlay stage pe bhi yehi haal hota tha.. har aik upar charh jata tha.. aqal tab aayee jab IK neechay gira..

Shaikh Rasheed tou kafi baar IK se shikayat kar chuka tha, but action uss waqt lia jab khud chot lagi.. Abb bhi aik aur chot ki taraf poori party move kar rahi hai.. Jab aqal aaye gi tou kafi time guzar chuka hoga.. @Farah Sohail

 

[Farah Sohail]

Batana tou tha... but not everything..

Do you think jo Gen RS ne wada kia tha FIR darj karwane ka.. aur unn ki koshishon se FIR darj huee, woh bahir aaney wali baat thi? Allama sahib ne wahan bhi kaam kharab kia.. unn ko chahiey tha aam khatay, darakht na gintay..

Khair kia kahain.. gone is gone..

Hmm.. Waisy .. Agar Allama Sb, FIR ka na baatay tu apnay supporters ko kia dikhaatay? Lolll..

Allama Sb tu aaj tak kehtay hain ke Gen RS ne insaf dilanay ka yaqeen dilaaya tha...aur kuch nahi kiya,.

Khud diyat le kar beth gaye, phir bhi Gen Raheel par tanz karrahay hain, aaj tak...

Acha hua, phir baad main Gen RS is maamley main nahi paray

 

[PakSword]

Allama Sb tu aaj tak kehtay hain ke Gen RS ne insaf dilanay ka yaqeen dilaaya tha...aur kuch nahi kiya,.

Yeh dono baatain huee theen.. lekin yeh dono baatain iss tarha bahir nahi aani theen jaisay aayeen..

Acha hua, phir baad main Gen RS is maamley main nahi paray

Uss ke baad tou unhon ne inn ka phone bhi ithana gawara nahi kia.. Aik banda tumhara peechay reh kar kisi na kisi tarha saath de raha hai aur tum log yeh kar rahay ho.. shame..

By the way, the only news that had to come out was that "on request of PM, Gen RS met IK and Allama to convince them to call off the dharna and attend negotiations" and IK and Allama had to call off and wait for the real actions..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Shaikh Rasheed tou kafi baar IK se shikayat kar chuka tha, but action uss waqt lia jab khud chot lagi.. Abb bhi aik aur chot ki taraf poori party move kar rahi hai.. Jab aqal aaye gi tou kafi time guzar chuka hoga.. @Farah Sohail

Mujhe tu lagta hai ke PTI ki inn hi stupidities ki wajah se establishment phir se PML Q ki taraf na dekhnay lagay..

But then PML Q doesnt have tht many followers /supporters to be able to make govt in centre... So even tht is not possible...

By the way, the only news that had to come out was that "on request of PM, Gen RS met IK and Allama to convince them to call off the dharna and attend negotiations" and IK and Allama had to call off and wait for the real actions..

Aur uske baad PM bhi apni baat se peechay hatt gaye..and said tht I did not ask Gen RS.. He met IK and TuQ on his own...

Us waqt....Gen RS ke saath dono taraf se bhtt buri hui,

 

[PakSword]

Us waqt....Gen RS ke saath dono taraf se bhtt buri hui,

Jabhi tou politics pe chaar huruf bhej kar RS ne aik professional general ki tarah behave kia..

Abhi Gen Bajwa ke saath bhi yehi hua.. BTW ittelaat yeh hain ke yeh jo PTI ne kia hai, yeh tou stupidity hai, but Gen Bajwa ke saath jo honay wali hai naa, Maryam Media cell ki janib se, kuchh hi dinon main, log Kiyani aur RS ko bhool jaeingay.. because of his firm stand on Dawn Leaks..

PA har taraf se buri phansi hai..

 

[El Sidd]

Imran Khan will likely be the leader of opposition in the next govt. setup either that or Pakistan will abolish the parliamentary system.