Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[Farah Sohail]

Main ne bhi ASSUME hi kia hai..

Lekin meri assumption sahi hi lagti hai kia khayal hai?

Hmmmm...ye bhi hosakta hai..ke attorney general ne kaha ho...iske bhi bhtt chances hain........ Lekin mujhe tu security establishment wali assumption bhi theek lagti hai...woh bhi keh saktay hain ke 23rd March tak delay kiya jaye taakay koi security situation paida na ho... Waisy jaisy mujhe Justice Khosa par bharosa hai, aap ko lagta hai ke Bajwa Sb par bhtt bharosa hai...

Aur Advocate Ijaz Afzal wali baat tu mujhe bilkol theek lagti hai... Woh bhi zuroor peechay paray honge..ke 23rd March tak delay kiya jaye....

 

[Guvera]

Hmmmm...ye bhi hosakta hai..ke attorney general ne kaha ho...iske bhi bhtt chances hain........ Lekin mujhe tu security establishment wali assumption bhi theek lagti hai...woh bhi keh saktay hain ke 23rd March tak delay kiya jaye taakay koi security situation paida na ho... Waisy jaisy mujhe Justice Khosa par bharosa hai, aap ko lagta hai ke Bajwa Sb par bhtt bharosa hai...

Aur Advocate Ijaz Afzal wali baat tu mujhe bilkol theek lagti hai... Woh bhi zuroor peechay paray honge..ke 23rd March tak delay kiya jaye....

Asghar Khan case was filed in 1990 and it involved similar characters and guess what the detailed judgement came in November 2012, baqi ap log khud samajhdaar hain

 

[PakSword]

Waisy jaisy mujhe Justice Khosa par bharosa hai, aap ko lagta hai ke Bajwa Sb par bhtt bharosa hai...

Jaisay aap ko iss judgement ke baad Khosa sahib par bharosay ka pata chalay ga, isi tarha mujhay Bajwa sahib pay Dawn Leaks ki report ke baad pata chalay ga..

Abhi tak ki khabar yeh hai ke dawn leaks ki commission ki report hukumat ke haq main nahi hai.. Isi liey bahir nahi aarahi.. Koshishain jari hain ke mukammal clean report hojaey lekin uss main kafi hurdles aarahi hain hukumat ko... Darmiaan main shayad kuchh baaton pe ittefaq hogaya tha.. lekin phir koi masael paida hogaey..

Jaisay justice Baqir Naqvi ki report bahir nahi aayee kyun ke woh saaf suthri nahi thee.. Isi tarha dawn leaks ki report thori gandi si hai, jabhi bahir nahi aarahi..

Faisla aur report aik saath bahir aayeingay, aur Bajwa sb ka aur Khosa sb ka dono ka doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani hojaega..

Aur faislay ke delay se bhi lagta hai ke faisla kuchh acha nahi hai hukumat ke liey, jabhi baar baar peghamaat bhijwaey ja rahay hain judges ko ke 2 march guzarnay dein, 8 march guzarnay dain aur abb 23 march guzarnay dein. faisla agar haq main hota tou aachuka hota..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Asghar Khan case was filed in 1990 and it involved similar characters and guess what the detailed judgement came in November 2012, baqi ap log khud samajhdaar hain

Lollll... Kherr ab itna bhi delay nahi hosakta, lolll... Aayega tu InshaAllah is month main hi ....

Waisy dunya news is doing a segment right now ke panama case ka faisla ..PM ke against aanay ki soorat main...PM fauran next elections k liye jaayein ge... Waisy dunya news bhi pro PM Nawaz hai, like geo news... And tht Maryam Nawaz will be the next candidate for PM...

Lekin agar PM k against faisla aaya...tu unke liye elections main jaana mushkil nahi hoga..ke panama case ka faisla sab ki memory main fresh hoga aur unki popularity ko dent paray ga..which PTI will cash on? Lekin dunya news saying PML N is very confident on victory in next elections..ke doosri parties disorganised hain..

Waisy jaisy main ne kaha ke dunya news is also pro PML N...so this might be another gimmick from PML N to show themselves very confident and a tactic to further pressurise judges..

 

[Hafiz-Zafar]

Does anyone have authentic information when will the verdict about Panama case be announced?

 

[PakSword]

Does anyone have authentic information

Yes, Justice Khosa!

Asghar Khan case was filed in 1990 and it involved similar characters and guess what the detailed judgement came in November 2012, baqi ap log khud samajhdaar hain

Lollll.

 

[Verve]

Musharaf mentioned a good while back that flight of capital became a critical issue after the early clamp down on the corrupt in his tenure. This resulted then in sort of NRO with the corrupt business groups (real mafia).

Maybe due to lessons learnt, time bought so far is also to prepare for such eventualities as well.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Jaisay aap ko iss judgement ke baad Khosa sahib par bharosay ka pata chalay ga, isi tarha mujhay Bajwa sahib pay Dawn Leaks ki report ke baad pata chalay ga..

Abhi tak ki khabar yeh hai ke dawn leaks ki commission ki report hukumat ke haq main nahi hai.. Isi liey bahir nahi aarahi.. Koshishain jari hain ke mukammal clean report hojaey lekin uss main kafi hurdles aarahi hain hukumat ko... Darmiaan main shayad kuchh baaton pe ittefaq hogaya tha.. lekin phir koi masael paida hogaey..

Jaisay justice Baqir Naqvi ki report bahir nahi aayee kyun ke woh saaf suthri nahi thee.. Isi tarha dawn leaks ki report thori gandi si hai, jabhi bahir nahi aarahi..

Faisla aur report aik saath bahir aayeingay, aur Bajwa sb ka aur Khosa sb ka dono ka doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani hojaega..

Aur faislay ke delay se bhi lagta hai ke faisla kuchh acha nahi hai hukumat ke liey, jabhi baar baar peghamaat bhijwaey ja rahay hain judges ko ke 2 march guzarnay dein, 8 march guzarnay dain aur abb 23 march guzarnay dein. faisla agar haq main hota tou aachuka hota..

Waqayi... Ye baat aap ne bilkol theek ki..ke mujhe aur aap ko..dono ko apnay apnay bharose ke sahi ya ghalat honay ka..panama faislay aur dawn leaks ki report ke baad hi pata chalay ga... Allah karey ke hum dono ka bharosa qaym rahay...yehi acha hai Pakistan ke liye..

Mujhe bhi yehi lagta hai ke panama case ka faisla aur dawn leaks report ek saath hi aayein ge ya atleast dawn leaks ki report panama faislay ke baad hi aayegi...us se pehle nahi

Panama case ka faisla, PM ke favor main tu nahi hosakta... Bas ye dekhna hai ke PM ke kis hadd tak against hai?

Yes, Justice Khosa!

Makhdoom Ali khan se kisi ne ye sawaal kiya tu unhon ne kaha..ke 3 sources se hi pata lag sakta hai ke kab aaraha hai faisla? Allah ko pata hai, 5 judges ko pata hai..ya phir mahir e nujoom... Tu aisa karein ke aap log mahir e nujoom se raabta karein

 

[Arsalan]

Jaisay aap ko iss judgement ke baad Khosa sahib par bharosay ka pata chalay ga, isi tarha mujhay Bajwa sahib pay Dawn Leaks ki report ke baad pata chalay ga..

Abhi tak ki khabar yeh hai ke dawn leaks ki commission ki report hukumat ke haq main nahi hai.. Isi liey bahir nahi aarahi.. Koshishain jari hain ke mukammal clean report hojaey lekin uss main kafi hurdles aarahi hain hukumat ko... Darmiaan main shayad kuchh baaton pe ittefaq hogaya tha.. lekin phir koi masael paida hogaey..

Jaisay justice Baqir Naqvi ki report bahir nahi aayee kyun ke woh saaf suthri nahi thee.. Isi tarha dawn leaks ki report thori gandi si hai, jabhi bahir nahi aarahi..

Faisla aur report aik saath bahir aayeingay, aur Bajwa sb ka aur Khosa sb ka dono ka doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani hojaega..

Aur faislay ke delay se bhi lagta hai ke faisla kuchh acha nahi hai hukumat ke liey, jabhi baar baar peghamaat bhijwaey ja rahay hain judges ko ke 2 march guzarnay dein, 8 march guzarnay dain aur abb 23 march guzarnay dein. faisla agar haq main hota tou aachuka hota..

dont get your hopes TOO high my friend/friends

@Farah Sohail i will like to specially tag you here as well sis.

May be it is a blessing in disguise that the verdict is being delayed. Perhaps these are the last few days where people are a bit hesitant doing any sort of corruption. May be the verdict that will come will be such that it will give a free pass to corrupt and corruption. So just relax and pray that whatever and whenever a decision is made and implemented, it is in favor of this country. We have done NOTHING to please Allah as a nation but may be he will forgive us and we can get on the right track finally. Just pray for that, this is the ONLY thing in your control now, rest is out of hand already so why waste so much energy on "faisla aj aay ga" " faisla kal aay ga"!!

@Farah Sohail just pray that whenever it comes and whatever it is, it is GOOD for Pakistan and its people and not for the corrupt elite!!
Jaldi aany ke dua krny ka bajai sahi faislay ke dua krain!!

@The Eagle what do you say on this? Dont you think that:

1. If it is against corruption, it is better late than never!! We are already past that "red line" so as they say, do not hurry when you are late because you are already late (actually no one says that but ME ). So i huge decision like this that means that being in power do not mean that one can loot this country will have enormous positive effect that it happens this week or the next wont matter too much.
   
2. If it is of a kind that the corruption is essentially declared legal as long as you are in power then, well, whether it start or today or tomorrow, the loot will destroy the country pretty quickly so the timing of when it starts do not matter really.

In short, getting a decision THIS WEEK is not as important as getting the RIGHT DECISION. The case is crystal clear, the truth is out in the open, the only thing that can save NS here is if SC decides that they are to save the PM and then it is pretty easy for them to find ways, LEGAL WAYS, to do just that. Remember, if the SC decides to save PM it wont be a problem and can be done legally without any trouble. So let us hope for justice more than we hope for swift justice!!

@WAJsal @Verve @QatariPrince @HRK

 

[PakSword]

Makhdoom Ali khan se kisi ne ye sawaal kiya tu unhon ne kaha..ke 3 sources se hi pata lag sakta hai ke kab aaraha hai faisla? Allah ko pata hai, 5 judges ko pata hai..ya phir mahir e nujoom... Tu aisa karein ke aap log mahir e nujoom se raabta karein

Logon ko aisay sawal nahi karnay chahien jin se mirchain lagti hon. Bataiye bhala, yahan hum andazay laga laga kar halkaan horahay hain aur 200 se upar thread ke pages kalay karchukay hain, aur agla sawal kar raha hai ke kisi ko for sure kuch pata hai tareekh ka? agar pata hota tou abhi sab sakoon se bethay hotay..

 

[HRK]

Anyone remember Karachi badamanni case .... I see court going in that direction ....

 

[AUz]

Which case are you referring to?
This sounds interesting. It will be nice if you can tell what was that case you say that set a precedent some 200 years ago in US.

Was taught about this case in high school. All American kids learn about it..

Marbury v. Madison (decided in the court of Chief Justice John Marshall in 1803)

Google it and it's implications. Also, google Chief Justice John Marshall (supreme court judge that practically established Supreme court as the third pillar of U.S state after congress and Presidency).

In a nutshell, Chief Justice Marshall overturned an act passed in congress (hence consolidating the institute of Judicial Review) and acted as a 'decider' between President and Congress deadlock. By doing so, Justice Marshall cleverly established Supreme Court as THE deciding institution in the United States, and hence being a bit more powerful than even Congress or the Presidency.

All of these things look 'common sense' to average American now because strong legal precedents and history has firmly established the Supreme Court is probably the most powerful institution in the United States' Republican set up. All of this wasn't by accident, but law giants of U.S Supreme courts crafted this institution via strong legal precedents and at times unpopular steps to provide justice as they deem necessary. For example, ending racial segregation in the Public schools in the United States was a Supreme Court decision (brown v board of education). It was SO contentious that the President had to send military forces to enforce the order (since governors and political authorities refused to obey the order because entire population was against it).

I'm dead sure that our justices are aware of this history in far more detail than me. Hopefully they realize the chance they have at their hands. There's a reason U.S did not produce Nawaz and Zardari at consistent basis--even though it has trillion times more wealth to be looted by the corrupt than Pakistan. Rule of Law and accountability of the most powerful goes a long way in establishing long-lasting and prosperous constitutional republics.

 

[Farah Sohail]

@Arsalan bhai.... Keh tu aap theek rahay hain... Decision should be..in favor of Pakistan and justice..whenever it comes... But kia karein? Itnay important faislay ki bechaini tu hoti hai... Waisy tu ab main ne 23rd March tak tu sabar kar liya hai...is week ka tu sochna bhi chor diya hai ke aayega...
If the decision if good, just, and in favor of Pakistan, then u are right.. We wont mind it, getting late.. First priority tu yehi honi chahye ke acha faisla aaye... And i hope ke aisa hi hoga, InshaAllah.

 

[Verve]

So let us hope for justice more than we hope for swift justice!!

Wholly agree my friend. The bigger picture is that the many good things are converging and the momentum is gradually building. Also i think that this is Allah's rehmat after punishing us severely. Lots more to do and fix but we are heading in the right direction.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Anyone remember Karachi badamanni case .... I see court going in that direction ....

I hope not

Lekin us case main kisi ke specifically against petition nahi thee.. Yahan tu PM ki disqualification ki petition hai.. Karachi badamni case main general verdict chal sakti thee ke rangers se report le li, police ko bulaaya, agencies ko bulaa liya... Lekin yahan kiun ke PM ki disqualification ki petition hai, tu judges agar dismiss bhi karein ge.ltab bhi unhein legal arguments tu denay hi honge ke kiun dismiss karrahay hain? Is liyr iska verdict karachi badamni case se different hoga