Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[The Sandman]

I don't know why he shouldn't be disqualified.

Not "should be", what is your opinion what will happen after reading judges remarks, quality of evidences etc etc?

In that case it's either 2 or 3 it's likely to be 2 imo remember they said "we will give a decision that people will remember for 20 years."

 

[friendly_troll96]

Waisa IK really needs to keep his Big mouth under control. I am with you on this.

which he can't and won't.

 

[PakSword]

1 - PM is disqualified on 62 and 63, and criminal investigation of money laundering is transferred to a commission with all the powers of NAB/ FBR/ FIA.
2 - PM is suspended, and criminal investigation of money laundering is transferred to a commission with all the powers of NAB/ FBR/ FIA. No mention of 62 and 63, or no declaration.
3 - PM is neither suspended nor disqualified, but is declared dishonest. A criminal investigation of money laundering is transferred to a commission with all the powers of NAB/ FBR/ FIA. Petitioner is asked to contact EC for disqualification.
4 - PM is acquitted on the basis of not enough conclusive evidence. But a criminal investigation of money laundering is transferred to a commission with all the powers of NAB/ FBR/ FIA.
5 - PM is acquitted on the basis of not enough conclusive evidence. No further action is warranted.

Latest position:

Option 1: biloo700, war&peace

Option 2: Arsalan, Dastaan, The Eagle, PakSword, django, The Sandman

Option 3: Farah Sohail, QatariPrince, Verve, Imad.Khan

Option 4: IceCold, friendly_troll96

Option 5: User

 

[IceCold]

Don't take Judges remarks too seriously..

Justice Khosa ne yeh bhi kaha tha ke 99% documents admissible nahi hain..

Aik public office holder ki suspension bilkul hosakti hai aur aisi kafi misaalain mojud hain..

Waisay tou baghair evidence record karaey, disqualification bhi nahi hosakti?



Latest position:

Option 1: biloo700, war&peace

Option 2: Arsalan, Dastaan, The Eagle, PakSword, django

Option 3: Farah Sohail, QatariPrince, Verve, Imad.Khan

Option 4: IceCold, friendly_troll96

Option 5: User

Yahi baat to mugha samaj nahi atti kah agar 99% documents admissible he nahi to judgement kis base per aii gi or court kis base per disqualify yah suspend kera gi?
By the way suspension zayda khatarnaak ha coz agar suspension ka baad be kuch prove nahi hota to yeh haram khor phela sa 10 guna zayda majboot ho jai ga. Disqualification main in ki kam az kam 2018 ka elections ka lia kamar toot jai gi.

 

[Zibago]

@Panther 57 @Stealth @The Sandman @Zibago @django

What are your options guys? Please select one option from the below quoted text:



Latest position:

Option 1: biloo700, war&peace

Option 2: Arsalan, Dastaan, The Eagle, PakSword

Option 3: Farah Sohail, QatariPrince, Verve, Imad.Khan

Option 4: IceCold, friendly_troll96

Option 5: User



Detailed verdicts tou aisay hi hotay hain.. Jabhi tou short faisla pehlay dia jata hai.. Detailed verdicts main saaray law references, etc hotay hain..

Commission commission ka game hoga case ki fuether investigation kay
Liye nab,fia say rabta ho gaya phir tarekhain aur gaye bhens pani mein

Latest position:

Option 1: biloo700, war&peace

Option 2: Arsalan, Dastaan, The Eagle, PakSword, django, The Sandman

Option 3: Farah Sohail, QatariPrince, Verve, Imad.Khan

Option 4: IceCold, friendly_troll96

Option 5: User


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My oPtion is 4

 

[Panther 57]

@Panther 57 @Stealth @The Sandman @Zibago @django

What are your options guys? Please select one option from the below quoted text:



Latest position:

Option 1: biloo700, war&peace

Option 2: Arsalan, Dastaan, The Eagle, PakSword

Option 3: Farah Sohail, QatariPrince, Verve, Imad.Khan

Option 4: IceCold, friendly_troll96

Option 5: User



Detailed verdicts tou aisay hi hotay hain.. Jabhi tou short faisla pehlay dia jata hai.. Detailed verdicts main saaray law references, etc hotay hain..

I think it will be option 3

 

[I.R.A]

Janti log haan, ap ka yahan kya kaam?

Check karny aya tha kay ganjay ko PDF pay phansi hui kay nai.

Acha...ab itni bhi mayoosi ki baatein na karein

It's their favorite escape, and the most easiest scapegoat is to refer back to Parliman ........ Nuks e Qanoon aur sabooto ki adam majoodgi ki waja say hum kissi ko saza nai day saktay .......

laga lo 2, 2 rupay ki shart.

 

[Guvera]

I dont see the detailed verdict coming anytime soon, i hope im wrong but my gut feeling is that this is going to be another Asghar Khan Case (Good for nothing).

 

[Farah Sohail]

@Farah Sohail
Aur yehi shareef khandaan chahta tha.. but chairman NAB ne tou waat lagadi.. lolll. Shareef khandaan yeh samajh raha hai ke chairman NAB ne establishment ke kehnay pe yeh kia hai... Lekin establishment tou baqol Arshad Shareef, nooron ke saath hai?

Waisy waqayi ...samajh nahi aaya ke Chairman NAB ne aisa kiun kaha? Aisa bayan kiun diya...ke jis se uski apni position khatray main parr gayi? SC Chairman NAB ko bhi farigh karsakti hai...tu us ne apnay paoun par kulhari maarnay wala biyan diya aur Govt ko tu nuqsan pohanchaya hi......us ne apnay statement se... Kuch samajh nahi aaya, chairman NAB ka statement..

@bold... Woh baat bhi pata nahi..kia thee? Kia drama tha, woh jo Arshad Sharif ne kaha tha? ISPR ne tu us par bayan dena bhi munasib nahi samjha.... Waisy ek tarah se acha bhi kia...agar us par koi action nahi lena tha..tu yehi munasib tha ke usay ignore kia jata... Dawn leaks wali khabar par bhi jab government ne denial de diya tha..tab army ko usay bhi ignore karna chahye tha.. Koi hype create karnay ki zuroorat hi nahi thee...

By the way suspension zayda khatarnaak ha coz agar suspension ka baad be kuch prove nahi hota to yeh haram khor phela sa 10 guna zayda majboot ho jai ga. Disqualification main in ki kam az kam 2018 ka elections ka lia kamar toot jai gi.

Yehi mujhe bhi lagta hai... Is liye, i dont want suspension... I think option 3 is a much better option ke 62/63 par declaration aajaye..aur uske baad Election Commission ke through disqualification for 10 yrs... Warna agar suspension ke baad kuch na nikla, aur restre hogaya..phir aglay 10 saal ke liye atleast Nawaz Sharif us se bhi ziada majority se aajayega.. Suspension is feel good option, but very very dangerous and risky

 

[PakSword]

Yahi baat to mugha samaj nahi atti kah agar 99% documents admissible he nahi to judgement kis base per aii gi or court kis base per disqualify yah suspend kera gi?
By the way suspension zayda khatarnaak ha coz agar suspension ka baad be kuch prove nahi hota to yeh haram khor phela sa 10 guna zayda majboot ho jai ga. Disqualification main in ki kam az kam 2018 ka elections ka lia kamar toot jai gi.

First of all, suspension is not a punishment. For suspension, you don't need to establish the crime. A public office holder is suspended to make him incapable of putting undue pressure on investigators.

I am telling you, had chairman NAB not told the court that he couldn't do anything unless THE "regulator" asked him to take action, court would have referred this case to NAB. Bench suspected that the regulator is the one who has appointed him (PMLN mostly and PPPP).

So, in my opinion, court has enough reason to suspend NS, because they don't want any further excuses related to THE regulator, when a commission will be formed and will directly manage NAB and FBR.

And yes, you are right when you say that in case the allegations are not proved against NS, he will be restored, and will get all the benefits (salary and allowances) of the period under suspension. Additionally, he will get his lost support (if not more).

 

[PakSword]

Disqualification main in ki kam az kam 2018 ka elections ka lia kamar toot jai gi.

I think option 3 is a much better option ke 62/63 par declaration aajaye..aur uske baad Election Commission ke through disqualification for 10 yrs... Warna agar suspension ke baad kuch na nikla, aur restre hogaya..phir aglay 10 saal ke liye atleast Nawaz Sharif us se bhi ziada majority se aajayega.. Suspension is feel good option, but very very dangerous and risky

Without a trial, it is very difficult, if not impossible to dismiss PM.

Right now, you don't know whether PM lied or his children. See, the family has fought their case very cleverly. They have not contracted one lawyer for the whole family, they had three different lawyers for different family members. Each lawyer said that he doesn't know about the other client what the other's client said or presented, he was only representing his own client.

It is not established yet that PM lied on the floor of parliament (although we all know he lied, even the judges know). When Maryam's lawyer challenged the letters, and when Hassan's/ Hussain's lawyer presented Qatari letter (which was still unverified till the last day of hearing), they in fact told the court that either PM lied or his children is lying so judges had to start investigation.

The only person who has weakened their case is Chairman NAB who has paved the way of PMs suspension. Don't know why he did that, even PM's family doesn't know why he did that. Imagine if NAB chairman would say he was ready for an investigation, court would have no way other than referring the case to the right institution. This was the whole case of Shareef family's lawyers... to get the case referred to NAB and delay it till the day of judgement. Alas, it didn't work out well for them. NAB chairman ditched them when they wanted him more than ever...

 

[Dastaan]

wapis anay walay to disqualifiacation k bad bhi aa jatay hain......

 

[Farah Sohail]

Without a trial, it is very difficult, if not impossible to dismiss PM.

Right now, you don't know whether PM lied or his children. See, the family has fought their case very cleverly. They have not contracted one lawyer for the whole family, they had three different lawyers for different family members. Each lawyer said that he doesn't know about the other client what the other's client said or presented, he was only representing his own client.

It is not established yet that PM lied on the floor of parliament (although we all know he lied, even the judges know). When Maryam's lawyer challenged the letters, and when Hassan's/ Hussain's lawyer presented Qatari letter (which was still unverified till the last day of hearing), they in fact told the court that either PM lied or his children is lying so judges had to start investigation.

The only person who has weakened their case is Chairman NAB who has paved the way of PMs suspension. Don't know why he did that, even PM's family doesn't know why he did that. Imagine if NAB chairman would say he was ready for an investigation, court would have no way other than referring the case to the right institution. This was the whole case of Shareef family's lawyers... to get the case referred to NAB and delay it till the day of judgement. Alas, it didn't work out well for them. NAB chairman ditched them when they wanted him more than ever...

Suspension ke baad...socha hai ke kia hoga? Agar suspension ke baad clean chit mil gayi (yahan kuch bhi hosakta hai) tu uska kia impact hoga? Is se tu acha hai, phir suspension bhi na ho... I am telling you, suspension bhtt risky hai... Agar uske baad kuch na nikla..tu phir Allah hi bachaye hum sab ko sharif family se.. Woh hum par aglay 20 saal ke liye musallat, uninterrupted..aur kahin ziada vindictive hojayein ge...pehle se

 

[IceCold]

First of all, suspension is not a punishment. For suspension, you don't need to establish the crime. A public office holder is suspended to make him incapable of putting undue pressure on investigators.

But even if he gets suspended government to phir be inhi ki ha na and they are all out to save their corrupt king. NAB and FIA can still be influenced, No? Remember how NS was able to rig the election while he was not in power and his victory speech even before the final verdict of elections. These haramkhors have strong base and influence due to their political status and money and they know how to manipulate institutions. So if Nawaz is suspended as to not put pressure on the investigators, he can still very well do it through back channels because after all its his government and they all answer to him anyway. The only way i see is if the whole government is suspended and a technocrat government is established which i dont see happening either due to law or some other technical formality.
If he gets disqualified on the other hand, there wont be anymore reason to get him declared innocent and hence further investigation over how the money was laundered can be done without the fear of his government which would be under immense pressure anyway after Nawaz disqualification and might even dissolve before elections.

 

[The Accountant]

Latest position:

Option 1: biloo700, war&peace

Option 2: Arsalan, Dastaan, The Eagle, PakSword, django, The Sandman

Option 3: Farah Sohail, QatariPrince, Verve, Imad.Khan

Option 4: IceCold, friendly_troll96

Option 5: User


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I am with Option 3

Without a trial, it is very difficult, if not impossible to dismiss PM.

Right now, you don't know whether PM lied or his children. See, the family has fought their case very cleverly. They have not contracted one lawyer for the whole family, they had three different lawyers for different family members. Each lawyer said that he doesn't know about the other client what the other's client said or presented, he was only representing his own client.

It is not established yet that PM lied on the floor of parliament (although we all know he lied, even the judges know). When Maryam's lawyer challenged the letters, and when Hassan's/ Hussain's lawyer presented Qatari letter (which was still unverified till the last day of hearing), they in fact told the court that either PM lied or his children is lying so judges had to start investigation.

The only person who has weakened their case is Chairman NAB who has paved the way of PMs suspension. Don't know why he did that, even PM's family doesn't know why he did that. Imagine if NAB chairman would say he was ready for an investigation, court would have no way other than referring the case to the right institution. This was the whole case of Shareef family's lawyers... to get the case referred to NAB and delay it till the day of judgement. Alas, it didn't work out well for them. NAB chairman ditched them when they wanted him more than ever...

Bro you are forgetting its not ordanry court ... Its supreme court ... It can make interpretation of law on its own discretion .... NS not supporting the case by providing detailed trail of all the transactions and current ownership is a malafide intentions of using loop holes in the law ...

Remember this is the case which will be referred in all future legal cases ... In all future white color crimes people will use name of other people and if NS not declared guilty than burden of proving white colour crime will become on the claimant ... It will be start of catstrophy in pakistan legal system ...

I hope judges understand this ... This is a make it or breakit situation for judicial system of Pakistan