Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[Farah Sohail]

I think @Farah Sohail is very smart.

She has scanned uploaded the pages here so that others read and then tell her what is there (she would not need to read)

Wow.....thats rude .... I have already read these pages...hence I am uploading here, the relevant pages, so tht others too, can form their opinion, based on these

Referring to page 475, I don't think there is even a single factor that is being ignored, or hasn't been implemented.

But he has mentioned two problematic areas, (i) security of tenure (ii) a government sensitive to public opinion.

I don't remember any government has ever lessened the tenure of any judges (with the exception of Justice Shah, but again, it was a revolt within judiciary itself because of government's intervention). Number (ii) shouldn't bother judiciary at all. Don't know why is he even mentioning this. Governments are always sensitive to public opinion and it has nothing to do with judiciary, which should rise above the public sentiment, and that is what Justice Khosa stated on the final day..

Anyway, it is a good read.. carry on please.. and thanks for sharing..

Phew!!! Finally done all.... Havent taken so much photos of anyone/anything ever, in my life.... I hate taking photos...but did it here, lollll...took more than 100 photos, here........

Its till page 182

To clarify once again, for all here, I have read these pages myself...so plzzz dont read, if u dont want to....... I uploaded these pages, for interested ppl here, who themselves want to know his thought process..

 

[Verve]

Oye nahi yaar.. Statutory audits main kafi pressure hota hai Pakistan main.. Kafi log start smoking.. I wanted something other than cigarettes to release my tension and one of my friends advised this to me in some extremely stressful days at work. Aik hi goli khai aur sugar level down hogaya..

Goli pe lanat bheji aur dost chaar sunaein..

Bhaar main gaye Audits - left this field a few years back along with accounting, mind numbing stuff that for yonks years And yes, this bantee is not suitable for some. Shift to vaping, doesn't kill oxygen levels as smoking does so lower stress levels and some teas and herbs through a vaporiser are very effective for stress relief and have very calming effects. Requires a good quality temp control vaporiser though as each herb has a different combustion temp.

Anyways, back to topic. When's NS leaving the country then? He'll most likely get an Out of Jail pass.

 

[Dastaan]

Oye nahi yaar.. Statutory audits main kafi pressure hota hai Pakistan main.. Kafi log start smoking.. I wanted something other than cigarettes to release my tension and one of my friends advised this to me in some extremely stressful days at work. Aik hi goli khai aur sugar level down hogaya..

Goli pe lanat bheji aur dost chaar sunaein..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kava

 

[Farah Sohail]

@PakSword @Arsalan did u read these pages? Ur opinion now, where this case is heading?

 

[Dil Pakistan]

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Wow.....thats rude .... I have already read these pages...hence I am uploading here, the relevant pages, so tht others too, can form their opinion, based on these

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Phew!!! Finally done all.... Havent taken so much photos of anyone/anything ever, in my life.... I hate taking photos...but did it here, lollll...took more than 100 photos, here........

Its till page 182

To clarify once again, for all here, I have read these pages myself...so plzzz dont read, if u dont want to....... I uploaded these pages, for interested ppl here, who themselves want to know his thought process..

I am really sorry. It was not meant to be rude at all.

Only a joke - may be it didn't come out the way I intended (or had it in my mind).

Again very sorry

 

[PakSword]

@PakSword @Arsalan did u read these pages? Ur opinion now, where this case is heading?

Yes, have read the pages..

Case is going towards commission.

Page 480 says it all..

What do you think?

Anyways, back to topic. When's NS leaving the country then? He'll most likely get an Out of Jail pass.

Not anytime soon...

It will take some time.. I think commission will be formed. NS may be suspended, but he will remain in the country so that he doesn't lose his control on the party.

Bhaar main gaye Audits - left this field a few years back along with accounting, mind numbing stuff that for yonks years

If you have worked in Statutory Audit, you certainly know that stress is the last thing outside of work.. Al hamdolillah, it is the thing of the past.. I will not go back to statutory audit again. But what I have learned there by the grace of Allah, many problems in my life weren't able to bother me at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kava

Not in external audit. I am in Internal Audit now, and that too in a government organization.. 7am-3pm job..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yes, have read the pages..

Case is going towards commission.

Page 480 says it all..

What do you think?

Hmmmm.... You are right..but what I am thinking is...what will the commission do? From where, will the commission find the missing evidences or documents needed, which have not been provided to Supreme Court? Infact when AG was giving arguments..tht u shd forward the case to sessioons judge, it was Justice Khosa who remarked ke aap ka matlab hai..jo documents SC ko nahi diye gaye..woh sessions judge ko diye jayein ge? So I am confused... I think this case will be a unique case for Justice Khosa himself, where he will have to strike a balnce between morality and application of law...

As far as law is concerned..now it is to be seen..tht which laws of the constituition, Justice Khosa gives preference here? Article 62/63, or laws which have been argued by PM counsel? Justice Khosa isnt shy of giving harsh verdicts..if laws say so... I was reading his verdict in "bail in cases of recovery of narcotic substance" petition came before him to grant bail..he said counsel argued vigorously for his client, and I felt for him, and some ppl may feel tht verdict has been harsh, but tht was onky in accordance with spirit of the law..as the law itself was harsh... So, if the law permits him, he wont shy away from giving a harsh verdict.. But the question is..which law will he give preference to? But another thing to note is tht..he also remarked tht 99% of evidence provided, do not match legal required standards and should be thrown away.. So dont know..what to expect now

But one thing..is clear.. Atleast we will have now a better understanding of whatever verdict he gives now..as it will reflect his general opinion, and not because this case was of the PM....

Nw i am more eager to know, what does he decide in this case..and which laws are held in preference by him?

I am really sorry. It was not meant to be rude at all.

Only a joke - may be it didn't come out the way I intended (or had it in my mind).

Again very sorry

Oh..its ok... I was taking pics for almost 2 hrs, and when I completed and saw ur post, so got hurt at tht time..... But its perfectly ok now..... Yes..some times, posts dont come out the way, we intend too...i can understand .....and sorry from me too, if my reply looked rude too

 

[PakSword]

Hmmmm.... You are right..but what I am thinking is...what will the commission do? From where, will the commission find the missing evidences or documents needed, which have not been provided to Supreme Court? Infact when AG was giving arguments..tht u shd forward the case to sessioons judge, it was Justice Khosa who remarked ke aap ka matlab hai..jo documents SC ko nahi diye gaye..woh sessions judge ko diye jayein ge? So I am confused... I think this case will be a unique case for Justice Khosa himself, where he will have to strike a balnce between morality and application of law...

As far as law is concerned..now it is to be seen..tht which laws of the constituition, Justice Khosa gives preference here? Article 62/63, or laws which have been argued by PM counsel? Justice Khosa isnt shy of giving harsh verdicts..if laws say so... I was reading his verdict in "bail in cases of recovery of narcotic substance" petition came before him to grant bail..he said counsel argued vigorously for his client, and I felt for him, and some ppl may feel tht verdict has been harsh, but tht was onky in accordance with spirit of the law..as the law itself was harsh... So, if the law permits him, he wont shy away from giving a harsh verdict.. But the question is..which law will he give preference to? But another thing to note is tht..he also remarked tht 99% of evidence provided, do not match legal required standards and should be thrown away.. So dont know..what to expect now

But one thing..is clear.. Atleast we will have now a better understanding of whatever verdict he gives now..as it will reflect his general opinion, and not because this case was of the PM....

Nw i am more eager to know, what does he decide in this case..and which laws are held in preference by him?



Oh..its ok... I was taking pics for almost 2 hrs, and when I completed and saw ur post, so got hurt at tht time..... But its perfectly ok now..... Yes..some times, posts dont come out the way, we intend too...i can understand .....and sorry from me too, if my reply looked rude too

That's why I think that PM may be suspended to keep him away from exerting pressure on departments, commission will be formed and be given authority of NAB and FBR..

So it will take some time to convict the PM.

Bil batori ko kuchh nahi hoga..

 

[Farah Sohail]

That's why I think that PM may be suspended to keep him away from exerting pressure on departments, commission will be formed and be given authority of NAB and FBR..

So it will take some time to convict the PM.

Bil batori ko kuchh nahi hoga..

Aur phir wohi baat ke commission documents laayeg kahan se? Original documents sirf sharif family ke pass hian...aur woh commission ko bhi nahi dein ge, jo unhon ne SC ko nahi diye

What abt article 62/63 then? Do u think, any judgement will be given in this regard? Also, panama case is not a criminal case...and from what i understand, he has talked abt justice and law, more in reference to criminal cases?

Atleast there should be something related to article 62/63 in verdict, when he himself has repeatedly said tht..ke hum baarhaa keh chukay hian ke ye case imaandari ka hai? When he is himself emphasizing on honesty in this case, then there should be verdict on 62/63 too...right?

Jahan tak bill batori ka talluq hai...kisy pata ke wohi 2018 main humari next PM ho..esp agar dawn leaks main bhi clean chit mil gayi..tu

 

[PakSword]

Aur phir wohi baat ke commission documents laayeg kahan se? Original documents sirf sharif family ke pass hian...aur woh commission ko bhi nahi dein ge, jo unhon ne SC ko nahi diye

Commission ko documents lanay ki koi zaroorat hi nahi hai.. Existing documents verify karwane hain bas.. For example, document that shows Maryam as beneficial owner. Verification in Hudaibiya case that the properties were attached on the basis of ownership of properties with Sharifs etc.. There is no document extra needed. When Justice Khosa said about the documents that 99% do not comply with the legal requirements for acceptability, he referred to the unverified documents, that were challenged by defendant.

What abt article 62/63 then? Do u think, any judgement will be given in this regard? Also, panama case is not a criminal case...and from what i understand, he has talked abt justice and law, more in reference to criminal cases?

Atleast there should be something related to article 62/63 in verdict, when he himself has repeatedly said tht..ke hum baarhaa keh chukay hian ke ye case imaandari ka hai? When he is himself emphasizing on honesty in this case, then there should be verdict on 62/63 too...right?

This is where I think the PM will be suspended. Till now, no one can conclude with certainty, that PMs speech was a lie or his children lied before the bench. In the presence of 99% unacceptable documents, how can you say that PM lied?

Jahan tak bill batori ka talluq hai...kisy pata ke wohi 2018 main humari next PM ho..esp agar dawn leaks main bhi clean chit mil gayi..tu

Yehi lag raha hai.. As I said few days ago, buhat ziada muafi maangi gaee hai... Maryam ke mulk chhornay ki wajah bhi yehi thi ke muafi qabool nahi huee thee..

But abb shayad hogaee hai.. jaisay main cheekh raha hun pichlay kuchh din se ke aaj kal darguzar ka bhoot buhat sawar hai.. abb kia karain..

One more thing, many officers are not happy.. And this is the first time that a serious divide is being seen in the high cadre. I told you that report will come out in a month time (+/- one week) and that report had the dissenting notes.. Report tou uss waqt bhi clean thi, siwaey dissenting notes ke.. Abb dekhain kia hota hai.. No idea at all..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Commission ko documents lanay ki koi zaroorat hi nahi hai.. Existing documents verify karwane hain bas.. For example, document that shows Maryam as beneficial owner. Verification in Hudaibiya case that the properties were attached on the basis of ownership of properties with Sharifs etc.. There is no document extra needed. When Justice Khosa said about the documents that 99% do not comply with the legal requirements for acceptability, he referred to the unverified documents, that were challenged by defendant.

Lekin ye documents verify kaisy aur kahan se honge? Commission ye documents kaisy verify karay ga? Kahan jaa kar?

This is where I think the PM will be suspended. Till now, no one can conclude with certainty, that PMs speech was a lie or his children lied before the bench. In the presence of 99% unacceptable documents, how can you say that PM lied?

Bench itself has remarked ke PM ki public statements aur bench ke saamnay statements main tazaad hai.. Aur Justice khosa keh chukay hain ke maamla imaandari ka hai... Aur declaration denay ki baat bhi tu Justice Khosa khud bhi keh chukay hain ke hum declaration de saktay hain, 62/63 par.... I think this case is unqiue for this bench also, and will pave way for further legal arguments/theories later... Pata nahi...i still hope, ke 62/63 par koi declaration aajaye, atleast jis se ECP k through PM disqualify hojaye

Yehi lag raha hai.. As I said few days ago, buhat ziada muafi maangi gaee hai... Maryam ke mulk chhornay ki wajah bhi yehi thi ke muafi qabool nahi huee thee..

But abb shayad hogaee hai.. jaisay main cheekh raha hun pichlay kuchh din se ke aaj kal darguzar ka bhoot buhat sawar hai.. abb kia karain..

One more thing, many officers are not happy.. And this is the first time that a serious divide is being seen in the high cadre. I told you that report will come out in a month time (+/- one week) and that report had the dissenting notes.. Report tou uss waqt bhi clean thi, siwaey dissenting notes ke.. Abb dekhain kia hota hai.. No idea at all..

I hope and pray ke aisa koi moajza hojaye ke report main dissenting notes aajayein... I hope ke maafi aur darguzar ka bhoot aakhri waqt main utar jaye, report aanay se pehle...aur majority officers ki opinion prevail kar jaye...aur report main dissenting notes shamil hojayein... Yehi bhtt bara ehsan hoga hum sab par...warna 2018 main bill batori ko PM dekhnay ke liye tayyar hojayein...

@PakSword

 

[PakSword]

Lekin ye documents verify kaisy aur kahan se honge? Commission ye documents kaisy verify karay ga? Kahan jaa kar?

When commission assumes the responsibility, it doesn't require anyone's help in writing letters to request verification of docs from foreign authorities. When commission depends on NAB and FBR, it requires these departments to write letters. In Panama case, commission will not depend on NAB and FBR to write letters or to apply certain procedures that are required to complete verification and attestation process.

Bench itself has remarked ke PM ki public statements aur bench ke saamnay statements main tazaad hai.. Aur Justice khosa keh chukay hain ke maamla imaandari ka hai...

PM ki statement or "unn ke bachon" ke bench ke saamney muaqif main tazaad hai.. It is not between PM statement on the floor of parliament, and PMs statement in the court. PM ke lawyer ne tou sirf privileges and immunity ka case lara hai.. Jab documents verify hongay tou pata chalay ga ke PM ne jhoot bola, ya bachon ne jhoot bola, ya dono ne jhoot bola.

Aur declaration denay ki baat bhi tu Justice Khosa khud bhi keh chukay hain ke hum declaration de saktay hain, 62/63 par.... I think this case is unqiue for this bench also, and will pave way for further legal arguments/theories later... Pata nahi...i still hope, ke 62/63 par koi declaration aajaye, atleast jis se ECP k through PM disqualify hojaye

Desaktay hain, aur dene main buhat farq hai.. Lekin Allah karay declaration de dain. But aisa lagta nahi hai.. Mere khayal main PM suspend hoga, aur phir commission tehqeeqat karega..

I hope and pray ke aisa koi moajza hojaye ke report main dissenting notes aajayein... I hope ke maafi aur darguzar ka bhoot aakhri waqt main utar jaye, report aanay se pehle...aur majority officers ki opinion prevail kar jaye...aur report main dissenting notes shamil hojayein... Yehi bhtt bara ehsan hoga hum sab par...warna 2018 main bill batori ko PM dekhnay ke liye tayyar hojayein...

Bas kia kahun iss ke jawaab main..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Desaktay hain, aur dene main buhat farq hai.. Lekin Allah karay declaration de dain. But aisa lagta nahi hai.. Mere khayal main PM suspend hoga, aur phir commission tehqeeqat karega..

Desaktay hain..means it is permissible within the law... Aur jitnay ziada remakrs is bench ne ..imaandari aur sach jhoot par diye hain..uske mutabiq tu 62/63 par declaration zuroor aani chahye, when they have emphasized on honesty a lot.. Pakora judge ne tu yahan tak keh diya tha ke hum jab ek PM (YRGilani) ko ghar bhej saktay hian tu dooosre ko bhi bhej saktay hain... Waisy kahin aisa na hojaye, ke Justice Gulzar, Pakora judge, aur Justice Ijazul Ahsan PM k against verdict de dein, aur Advocate Ijaz Afzal aur justice khosa, doosra verdict de dein..which we never thought, lolllll...tht these two would be on same page loll..kher..aisa hoga nahi IA....

... I am hoping..tht Justice Khosa will go for max harsh verdict, possible, within the law.as he doesnt shy away from harsh verdicts, if its in teh spirit of law.....and he does give importance to morality in his judgements too., as much as possible...jo thora bhtt main ne inki judgements se andaza lagaya hai......and since they have continuously emphasized ke ye imandari ka case, hai, so hoping for declaration on 62/63

Bas kia kahun iss ke jawaab main..

Duaa karein ke naram dili aur darguzar ka bhoot utar jaye...aur insaf ka bhoot sawar hojaye..kisi tarah... ... Hosakta hai..ke ye moajza ho hi jaye? Kia pata ..majority officers ki baat sunn hi li jaye...... Namumkin hi lagta hai filhal tu, lekin phir bhi duaa karnay main kia hatj hai?

 

[PakSword]

Desaktay hain..means it is permissible within the law... Aur jitnay ziada remakrs is bench ne ..imaandari aur sach jhoot par diye hain..uske mutabiq tu 62/63 par declaration zuroor aani chahye, when they have emphasized on honesty a lot.. Pakora judge ne tu yahan tak keh diya tha ke hum jab ek PM (YRGilani) ko ghar bhej saktay hian tu dooosre ko bhi bhej saktay hain... Waisy kahin aisa na hojaye, ke Justice Gulzar, Pakora judge, aur Justice Ijazul Ahsan PM k against verdict de dein, aur Advocate Ijaz Afzal aur justice khosa, doosra verdict de dein..which we never thought, lolllll...tht these two would be on same page loll..kher..aisa hoga nahi IA....

... I am hoping..tht Justice Khosa will go for max harsh verdict, possible, within the law.as he doesnt shy away from harsh verdicts, if its in teh spirit of law.....and he does give importance to morality in his judgements too., as much as possible...jo thora bhtt main ne inki judgements se andaza lagaya hai......and since they have continuously emphasized ke ye imandari ka case, hai, so hoping for declaration on 62/63

Mujhay waisay suspension par bhi aitraaz nahi hai.. Pakistan main aam aadmi ko suspension aur dismissal main farq nahi pata.. iss liey agar suspension hogaee tou PM ke reputation ko buhat bara dhachka lagega..

Anyway, dawn leaks ke upar muafi ke baad mujhay ziada dilchaspi nahi rahi hai Panama case se.

Aik boorha shakhs, jis ke aakhri aakhri saal chal rahay they politics main aur jo already apni beti ko party handover karnay wala tha, uss ko suspend ya dismiss karnay ka ziada faida nahi.. Maryam 2018 main take over kar legi.. aur iss suspension/ dismissal ko yeh log apni mazloomiat ke liey use karaingay....

Iss waqt PA ko iss chakkar se bilkul alag rehna parega.. warna yeh log establishment pe ilzam thoknay main der nahi lagaeingay..

Khair ilzaam tou abhi bhi thonkaingay.. Kaash PA kuch aisa zahir karay ke woh NS ke saath khari hai..

Duaa karein ke naram dili aur darguzar ka bhoot utar jaye...aur insaf ka bhoot sawar hojaye..kisi tarah... ... Hosakta hai..ke ye moajza ho hi jaye? Kia pata ..majority officers ki baat sunn hi li jaye...... Namumkin hi lagta hai filhal tu, lekin phir bhi duaa karnay main kia hatj hai?

Aap kehti hain tou aameen kehdeta hun..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Mujhay waisay suspension par bhi aitraaz nahi hai.. Pakistan main aam aadmi ko suspension aur dismissal main farq nahi pata.. iss liey agar suspension hogaee tou PM ke reputation ko buhat bara dhachka lagega..

Anyway, dawn leaks ke upar muafi ke baad mujhay ziada dilchaspi nahi rahi hai Panama case se.

Aik boorha shakhs, jis ke aakhri aakhri saal chal rahay they politics main aur jo already apni beti ko party handover karnay wala tha, uss ko suspend ya dismiss karnay ka ziada faida nahi.. Maryam 2018 main take over kar legi.. aur iss suspension/ dismissal ko yeh log apni mazloomiat ke liey use karaingay....

Iss waqt PA ko iss chakkar se bilkul alag rehna parega.. warna yeh log establishment pe ilzam thoknay main der nahi lagaeingay..

Khair ilzaam tou abhi bhi thonkaingay.. Kaash PA kuch aisa zahir karay ke woh NS ke saath khari hai..

Aap kehti hain tou aameen kehdeta hun..

Asal chakkar hi Maryam bibi ka tha,.. Nawaz sharif ka tu waqayi akhir term tha, as PM...

Aur Maryam bibi ko maafi mil gayi dawn leaks se.... ab Maryam bibi ko ..as next PM dekhnay ke liye tayyar rahein... Waisy acha hai... Btt shauq hai na, inhein darguzar karnay ka aur maafyan denay ka... Khud bhugtein ge..jab bil batori as next PM aayegi, in 2018... Aur phir ye kiya kiya nahi karey gi....ke sab is ek dawn leaks ko bhool jayein ge..roz ek nayi dawn leaks jab hongi...tab inhien apni maafi aur darguzar yaad aayegi... Theek hai...