Panama leak Case Proceedings - JIT Report, News, Updates And Discussion

[Farah Sohail]

Hmm... Aap ki..is baat main kuch wazan nazar aaraha hai...judicial commission wali..

Lekin judicial commission agar apni findings kisi diff bench ke saamnay rakhta hai..tu us par phir hearing hoti hai... Ab agar 5 member bench ke pass wapis jaata hai tu phir hearing kis cheez par dobara hogi? Yehi implementation bench dono sides ko sunn rahi hai..NAB, FIA ko bhi sunay gi, Attorner gen ko bhi sunay gi..phir 5 member bench kis cheez ki hearing karay gi?

Ye judicial commission wali baat tab ziada theek na lagti..agar jaisy hi JIT report aayi thee..ye implementation bench dissolve hojata...aur 5 member bench ko refer kar deta ye case aur phir hearing start hoti dono sides ki?

Aur court order main ye bhi likha tha ke implementtion bench periodic ya final JIT report par...disqualification ka matter dekhay gi..matlab us ne hi verdict dena tha..implementation bench ne?

@PakSword kia khyal hai..aap ka..is par?

 

[Moonlight]

hahaha

yes... wese illness ka kaseer hona waqai me nishani hai lol

i dont know about fan or pedestal fan or ac or ventilator but atleast he is consistent on issues like transparency and nation building...

Paindo to khair hum bhi hain.... laken asli wale..not like your cookie wale paindoo...the real googiaan wale paindo

Elaborate further the kinds of paindu

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Obviously everything is subject to the constitution, I thought it was well understand between people. I never said SC had a boundary beyond constitution. My post had a context which you seem to have missed. Anyway if I take your argument valid then the judgement passed by two minority judges is void, unconstitutional, ultra vires and two judges should be tried for declaring something unconstitutional.

Sir it was about article 184(3) which was to be read with article 187.

I didn't mean to be critical at all. I am sorry if I came across as such.

 

[Moonlight]

Lol! No, I don't watch him, a friend of mine shared his thoughts an hour ago.

Oh shkur hai
Nahi to patwaris ke sath sath dr. Qaymat ke fans ko bhi is thread se Jane ke request honi thi.

Lol kidding

Aisa na Kahn ... He is one of us ... Only tv anchor Jo hath dho kr is tabur k pechy para ha including IK k pass jo corrupt loog jama ho rhy with umeed k Bach jaun gy ...

Thori bht chawlien tu her koi hi Marta ha Dr dhabardos ki bhi kuch chawlien berdasht krni perti han

Wo buht se chawalon main thori buht achy baat karta. :p

 

[Farah Sohail]

Waisy tu Shaheen Sehbai kuch ziada credible nahi hain..but i found this, interesting

https://twitter.com/x/status/887381939946217472

 

[PakSword]

@PakSword kia khyal hai..aap ka..is par?

Lekin judicial commission agar apni findings kisi diff bench ke saamnay rakhta hai..tu us par phir hearing hoti hai... Ab agar 5 member bench ke pass wapis jaata hai tu phir hearing kis cheez par dobara hogi? Yehi implementation bench dono sides ko sunn rahi hai..NAB, FIA ko bhi sunay gi, Attorner gen ko bhi sunay gi..phir 5 member bench kis cheez ki hearing karay gi?

Ye judicial commission wali baat tab ziada theek na lagti..agar jaisy hi JIT report aayi thee..ye implementation bench dissolve hojata...aur 5 member bench ko refer kar deta ye case aur phir hearing start hoti dono sides ki?

Acha.. my question.. jab judicial commission apni investigation/ inquiry complete karleta hai tou kia hota hai? Woh verdict nahi sunata.. balkay report ko submit karta hai uss authority ko jis ne commission banaya hota hai.. Similarly, yeh 3 member bench khoob chhaan phatak karnay ke baad apni findings aur attestation ke baad 5 member bench ko aik report submit karegi.. ke the order has been implemented with the following suggestions.. uss main disqualification wali baat bhi hogi.. mujhay lagta hai ke commission ki tarah yeh advise karegi ke based on the implementation of court order we have noted:

PM should be/ shouldn't be disqualified.
Criminal proceedings should be started against PM..

Uss ke neechay har judge ke individual notes hongay.. Aur yeh implementation bench ka verdict arsaal hojaega 5 member bench ko..

Uss ke baad 5 member bench dobara resume karegi hearing.. jo ke kafi short hearing hogi.. Agar farz karain, implementation bench decide karti hai ke PM ko disqualify nahi hona chahiey, lekin verdict split hai aur Aijaz ul Ahsan apna dissenting note detey hain, tou 5 member bench dobara sab kuchh dekhay ga aur decide karega.. obviously, jis ne dissent kia hoga woh automatically majority main aajaega.. lekin for example, agar Justice Khosa ka baqi dono judges ke remarks parh kar, aur evidences ko dekh kar irada ban jata hai ke PM disqualify nahi hona chahiey, and Pakora/ Advocate are right.. tou majority judgement disqualify honay ka nahi hoga..

Aik din ki hearing hogi.. jis main PM ko yeh moqa diya jaega ke implementation bench ke verdict ko challenge karain.. (jo ke next to impossible hoga) in fact uss waqt tak PM haar maan chuka hoga..

Aur court order min ye bhi likha tha ke implementtion bench periodic ya final JIT report par...disqualification ka matter dekhay gi..matlab us ne hi verdict dena tha..implementation bench ne?

Haan bilkul likha tha.. implementation bench ko agar interim report main hi aisay shawahid mil jatay aur woh decide karti ke lets call defense, phir tou aisa hi hona tha.. lekin hona wohi tha.. ke implementation bench apni recommendations deti.. disqualification pe.. phir 5 member bench ke paas jateen recommendations..

Yeh sirf implementation bench hai, hamain iss ko SC ki normal bench se tashbeeh nahi deni chahiey.. its like a judicial commission..

Abb tak meri chhoti si aqal main yehi baat aayee hai..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Waisy tu Shaheen Sehbai kuch ziada credible nahi hain..but i found this, interesting

https://twitter.com/x/status/887381939946217472

EDIT Oh ok.... As usual he seems to be wrong on this too.. Someone has replied to shaheen sehbai tht i know the family.. Wajid zia is not his son in law...delete tht post...

Acha.. my question.. jab judicial commission apni investigation/ inquiry complete karleta hai tou kia hota hai? Woh verdict nahi sunata.. balkay report ko submit karta hai uss authority ko jis ne commission banaya hota hai.. Similarly, yeh 3 member bench khoob chhaan phatak karnay ke baad apni findings aur attestation ke baad 5 member bench ko aik report submit karegi.. ke the order has been implemented with the following suggestions.. uss main disqualification wali baat bhi hogi.. mujhay lagta hai ke commission ki tarah yeh advise karegi ke based on the implementation of court order we have noted:

PM should be/ shouldn't be disqualified.
Criminal proceedings should be started against PM..

Uss ke neechay har judge ke individual notes hongay.. Aur yeh implementation bench ka verdict arsaal hojaega 5 member bench ko..

Uss ke baad 5 member bench dobara resume karegi hearing.. jo ke kafi short hearing hogi.. Agar farz karain, implementation bench decide karti hai ke PM ko disqualify nahi hona chahiey, lekin verdict split hai aur Aijaz ul Ahsan apna dissenting note detey hain, tou 5 member bench dobara sab kuchh dekhay ga aur decide karega.. obviously, jis ne dissent kia hoga woh automatically majority main aajaega.. lekin for example, agar Justice Khosa ka baqi dono judges ke remarks parh kar, aur evidences ko dekh kar irada ban jata hai ke PM disqualify nahi hona chahiey, and Pakora/ Advocate are right.. tou majority judgement disqualify honay ka nahi hoga..

Aik din ki hearing hogi.. jis main PM ko yeh moqa diya jaega ke implementation bench ke verdict ko challenge karain.. (jo ke next to impossible hoga) in fact uss waqt tak PM haar maan chuka hoga..

Haan bilkul likha tha.. implementation bench ko agar interim report main hi aisay shawahid mil jatay aur woh decide karti ke lets call defense, phir tou aisa hi hona tha.. lekin hona wohi tha.. ke implementation bench apni recommendations deti.. disqualification pe.. phir 5 member bench ke paas jateen recommendations..

Yeh sirf implementation bench hai, hamain iss ko SC ki normal bench se tashbeeh nahi deni chahiey.. its like a judicial commission..

Abb tak meri chhoti si aqal main yehi baat aayee hai..

Hmmm... Aap ki baat kuch logcal lag tu rahi hai.dekhtay hian ke agar 5 member bench ki 1 din ki bhi hearing hui..tu us main hoga kia? JIT report bhi dobara nahi hogi..dono sides bhi arguments karchuki hian.. Ya tu keh dein ge ke ab jis ne jo bolna hai..apni marzi se bolay..? Yehi hosakta hai warna proper legal procdure tu dobara follow nahi hosakta ke phir dono sides bolein aur rebuttals hon...

Waisy ab JIT report ke baad jo implementation bench baith rahi hai..is ne panama case ki original petition no 29, 30 bhi li hui hai...sirf implementation of order ki hearing nahi karrahay ..

Anyways..its confusing.. Lekin jo aap keh rahay hain...iski bhi kafi logic banti hai ... Esp if we see it with Justice Wajihuddin's opinion

 

[PakSword]

EDIT Oh ok.... As usual he seems to be wrong on this too.. Someone has replied to shaheen sehbai tht i know the family.. Wajid zia is not his son in law...delete tht post...

Hotay bhi tou kia farq parta tha.. iss duniya main kaheen na kaheen koi na koi kisi na kisi ka rishtedaar tou hai.. Agar Uganda se bhi le aayein kisi ko tou anchors uss ko IK ya NS ka relative sabit kardainge..

 

[Hyprion]

Do any of you remember the PTV drama serial " Zard Dopehr " ?
This was also labelled as " The making of NS "

@Farah Sohail @PakSword @The Accountant @Moonlight and the others

 

[Farah Sohail]

Hotay bhi tou kia farq parta tha.. iss duniya main kaheen na kaheen koi na koi kisi na kisi ka rishtedaar tou hai.. Agar Uganda se bhi le aayein kisi ko tou anchors uss ko IK ya NS ka relative sabit kardainge..

Mujhe rishtedar honay se farq nahi parta.. Main ne is liye yahan share kia tha...ke PML N..jo soch kar khush horahi thee ..is liye mithaiyyan banti...ke is wajah se khyal karein ge tu woh unki umeedein dhari ki dhari reh gayeen..

But ppl are saying Wajid Zia is not even his son in law.. Although they are related somehow.. Anyways it doesnt matter.. Sirf PML N ki khushfehmion par hansi aarahi thee

 

[Dastaan]

Acha.. my question.. jab judicial commission apni investigation/ inquiry complete karleta hai tou kia hota hai? Woh verdict nahi sunata.. balkay report ko submit karta hai uss authority ko jis ne commission banaya hota hai.. Similarly, yeh 3 member bench khoob chhaan phatak karnay ke baad apni findings aur attestation ke baad 5 member bench ko aik report submit karegi.. ke the order has been implemented with the following suggestions.. uss main disqualification wali baat bhi hogi.. mujhay lagta hai ke commission ki tarah yeh advise karegi ke based on the implementation of court order we have noted:

PM should be/ shouldn't be disqualified.
Criminal proceedings should be started against PM..

Uss ke neechay har judge ke individual notes hongay.. Aur yeh implementation bench ka verdict arsaal hojaega 5 member bench ko..

Uss ke baad 5 member bench dobara resume karegi hearing.. jo ke kafi short hearing hogi.. Agar farz karain, implementation bench decide karti hai ke PM ko disqualify nahi hona chahiey, lekin verdict split hai aur Aijaz ul Ahsan apna dissenting note detey hain, tou 5 member bench dobara sab kuchh dekhay ga aur decide karega.. obviously, jis ne dissent kia hoga woh automatically majority main aajaega.. lekin for example, agar Justice Khosa ka baqi dono judges ke remarks parh kar, aur evidences ko dekh kar irada ban jata hai ke PM disqualify nahi hona chahiey, and Pakora/ Advocate are right.. tou majority judgement disqualify honay ka nahi hoga..

Aik din ki hearing hogi.. jis main PM ko yeh moqa diya jaega ke implementation bench ke verdict ko challenge karain.. (jo ke next to impossible hoga) in fact uss waqt tak PM haar maan chuka hoga..



Haan bilkul likha tha.. implementation bench ko agar interim report main hi aisay shawahid mil jatay aur woh decide karti ke lets call defense, phir tou aisa hi hona tha.. lekin hona wohi tha.. ke implementation bench apni recommendations deti.. disqualification pe.. phir 5 member bench ke paas jateen recommendations..

Yeh sirf implementation bench hai, hamain iss ko SC ki normal bench se tashbeeh nahi deni chahiey.. its like a judicial commission..

Abb tak meri chhoti si aqal main yehi baat aayee hai..

2 judges nai apna faisla suna diya hai wo change nahi ho sakta kuch bhi ho jai na hi is ki koi nazeer milti hai mazi main jit 3 nai banai thi wohi faisla sunai gai shayd review sai hi sirf change ho sakta hai jis ka time kab ka khatam ho chuka hai.

 

[Baghial]

A million dollar question. Hope the court comes up with a valid and logical answer.

thats the triangel that never fits in a square

 

[PakSword]

EDIT Oh ok.... As usual he seems to be wrong on this too.. Someone has replied to shaheen sehbai tht i know the family.. Wajid zia is not his son in law...delete tht post...



Hmmm... Aap ki baat kuch logcal lag tu rahi hai.dekhtay hian ke agar 5 member bench ki 1 din ki bhi hearing hui..tu us main hoga kia? JIT report bhi dobara nahi hogi..dono sides bhi arguments karchuki hian.. Ya tu keh dein ge ke ab jis ne jo bolna hai..apni marzi se bolay..? Yehi hosakta hai warna proper legal procdure tu dobara follow nahi hosakta ke phir dono sides bolein aur rebuttals hon...

Waisy ab JIT report ke baad jo implementation bench baith rahi hai..is ne panama case ki original petition no 29, 30 bhi li hui hai...sirf implementation of order ki hearing nahi karrahay ..

Anyways..its confusing.. Lekin jo aap keh rahay hain...iski bhi kafi logic banti hai ... Esp if we see it with Justice Wajihuddin's opinion

Implementation bench ke kisi bhi member judge ka DQ ka faisla automatically 5 member bench main shamil ho hi nahi sakta.. yeh aik different bench hai... yeh tou aisay hi hogaya ke 2 benches 2 different, but similar cases par kaam kar rahi hon, aur aik bench doosri bench ke verdict ko apni bench main shamil karley..

Yeh qanoon ke saath mazak hojaega..

3 member bench alag faisla dega (faislay se ziada recommendations kahain tou behtar hai), aur 5 member bench uss ko review karega..

Iss tarah PM ke counsel ne jo yeh aitraaz uthaya tha January main ke SC ki bench agar disqualify kardeti hai tou PM ke paas appeal karnay ka bhi ikhtiar nahi.. woh bhi khatam hojaega..

 

[koolio]

Dont expect something positive.. see the pattern of events which has been unfolding ... ..smething is fishy behind the door ..n look at Nawaz gunjaaa faces from the video of fazlu meeting he looks very happy nw

Me too, If I know I am going to land in trouble, I surely would be very worried, there could be some possible deal to delay the justice.

 

[PakSword]

2 judges nai apna faisla suna diya hai wo change nahi ho sakta kuch bhi ho jai na hi is ki koi nazeer milti hai mazi main jit 3 nai banai thi wohi faisla sunai gai shayd review sai hi sirf change ho sakta hai jis ka time kab ka khatam ho chuka hai.

Iss faislay ki bhi koi nazeer nahi milti.. Kabhi aaj tak SC ne JIT bana kar apnay hi under main kaam nahi karwaya..

Justice Wajeeh uddin ke mutabiq, 2 judges apna faisla change karsaktay hain..

Do any of you remember the PTV drama serial " Zard Dopehr " ?
This was also labelled as " The making of NS "

@Farah Sohail @PakSword @The Accountant @Moonlight and the others

I haven't watched it.. When was it aired?