Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Awan68]

The only exception is that Islamic Caliphate system only requires religious people to contest elections. and not everyone is allowed to vote initially. but allegience is a must by everyone.

So if you bring presidential democracy in Pakistan where Asif Zardari and Nawaz Shareef is allowed to contest, and everyone is allowed to vote, then its not Islamic.

It doesnt work like that man, under Muslim rule in Spain jews held very high govt positions, its not about who votes, its about loyalty to the law of the land, Islam is not a muslim exclusive club as we have turned it to be, its a global political amd legal system to dispence justice and prosperity to all humanity, not just to muslims. People here dont vote for Nawaz or Zardari, it seems u have misunderstod the ground reality of politics in Pakistan, people here vote for their local guy whom they know and will always back which ever party he migrates too, its a comedy of errors played again and again which instills divide at the root. When the people will vote directly for a President, believe me they will not vote for the sorts of nawaz and zardari. We can lay down concrete rules for the character and reputation of a presidential candidate and declare the courts the gaurdian of eligibilty.

 

[PakSword]

If it worked in Karachi to keep things under control, why try to fix something not broken in the first place?

Yehi toukarnay jarahay hain jis ke hum khilaaf hain.

OK.. so let me tell you something which I discussed in earlier posts. Khabrain aisi hain, ke inn ko bahir bheja jaraha hai, Altaf Hussain ki tarah. lekin inn ka wapis aanay ka raasta aisay roka jaega ke inn ke jaatay hi cases ke dharadar faislay aaeingay. aur yeh mafroor kehlaeingay.

Yeh log resist iss tarah kar rahay hain ke Kulsoom ko election main khara kardia hai, (takay PMship family main rahay) aur constitutional amendments ka raasta khula rahay.

Other players (who we hate nowadays too much) chahtay hain ke Kulsoom haar jaey, aur pmln break hojaey.. MQM ki tarah. PMLN ko break karnay ka aik hi raasta bacha hai.. woh hai inn ki family ka koi shakhs PM na banay. warna PMLN nahi tootay gi.

Yeh hai meri pichli kafi posts ka khulasa. aur main establishment ki iss strategy ko bilkul like nahi karta.. lekin main iss ke liey sirf establishment ko qasoorwar nahi tehrata, iss main judiciary bhi involved hai, saaray idaray bhi involved hain. lekin sab se bara qasoor hamara hai..

bas itni si baat hai meri..

It doesnt work like that man, under Muslim rule in Spain jews held very high govt positions, its not about who votes, its about loyalty to the law of the land, Islam is not a muslim exclusive club as we have turned it to be, its a global political amd legal system to dispence justice and prosperity to all humanity, not just to muslims. People here dont vote for Nawaz or Zardari, it seems u have misunderstod the ground reality of politics in Pakistan, people here vote for their local guy whom they know and will always back which ever party he migrates too, its a comedy of errors played again and again which instills divide at the root. When the people will vote directly for a President, believe me they will not vote for the sorts of nawaz and zardari. We can lay down concrete rules for the character and reputation of a presidential candidate and declare the courts the gaurdian of eligibilty.

But Khalifa tou Muslim hi hota hai naa?

Baqi, main yeh keh raha tha ke selection limited number of people main se hoti hai, aur limited number of people hi vote detey hain.. lekin bi'yat sab ko karni parti hai. so it's kind of reverse system, where the best is chosen by the better, and then bi'yat process starts.

I don't know how can it be implemented in Pakistan TBH

 

[El Sidd]

It doesnt work like that man, under Muslim rule in Spain jews held very high govt positions, its not about who votes, its about loyalty to the law of the land, Islam is not a muslim exclusive club as we have turned it to be, its a global political amd legal system to dispence justice and prosperity to all humanity, not just to muslims. People here dont vote for Nawaz or Zardari, it seems u have misunderstod the ground reality of politics in Pakistan, people here vote for their local guy whom they know and will always back which ever party he migrates too, its a comedy of errors played again and again which instills divide at the root. When the people will vote directly for a President, believe me they will not vote for the sorts of nawaz and zardari. We can lay down concrete rules for the character and reputation of a presidential candidate and declare the courts the gaurdian of eligibilty.

State concept bhi ye hi hai.

You buy your rights by paying the tax from a third party which assures you protection of your rights.

Now you can call it zakaat or whatever.

Basic thing remains that is you agree to its conception and follow it's procedure.

But sadly we like complicated things.

Basic principles of justice have given way to nazariya e zarorat.

Insaaf needs no nazariya.

Its clear crystal and all for see.

We are just self hating Moslems

Yehi toukarnay jarahay hain jis ke hum khilaaf hain.

OK.. so let me tell you something which I discussed in earlier posts. Khabrain aisi hain, ke inn ko bahir bheja jaraha hai, Altaf Hussain ki tarah. lekin inn ka wapis aanay ka raasta aisay roka jaega ke inn ke jaatay hi cases ke dharadar faislay aaeingay. aur yeh mafroor kehlaeingay.

Yeh log resist iss tarah kar rahay hain ke Kulsoom ko election main khara kardia hai, (takay PMship family main rahay) aur constitutional amendments ka raasta khula rahay.

Other players (who we hate nowadays too much) chahtay hain ke Kulsoom haar jaey, aur pmln break hojaey.. MQM ki tarah. PMLN ko break karnay ka aik hi raasta bacha hai.. woh hai inn ki family ka koi shakhs PM na banay. warna PMLN nahi tootay gi.

Yeh hai meri pichli kafi posts ka khulasa. aur main establishment ki iss strategy ko bilkul like nahi karta.. lekin main iss ke liey sirf establishment ko qasoorwar nahi tehrata, iss main judiciary bhi involved hai, saaray idaray bhi involved hain. lekin sab se bara qasoor hamara hai..

bas itni si baat hai meri..



But Khalifa tou Muslim hi hota hai naa?

Baqi, main yeh keh raha tha ke selection limited number of people main se hoti hai, aur limited number of people hi vote detey hain.. lekin bi'yat sab ko karni parti hai. so it's kind of reverse system, where the best is chosen by the better, and then bi'yat process starts.

I don't know how can it be implemented in Pakistan TBH

Sir ankhen kholen

Bayt system is simply your electoral process.

ECP ensures worthyness

Parliament is majlis e shura

Prime minister modern day khalifa.

Aap ne ayeen parha ha?

 

[Awan68]

State concept bhi ye hi hai.

You buy your rights by paying the tax from a third party which assures you protection of your rights.

Now you can call it zakaat or whatever.

Basic thing remains that is you agree to its conception and follow it's procedure.

But sadly we like complicated things.

Basic principles of justice have given way to nazariya e zarorat.

Insaaf needs no nazariya.

Its clear crystal and all for see.

We are just self hating Moslems



Sir ankhen kholen

Bayt system is simply your electoral process.

ECP ensures worthyness

Parliament is majlis e shura

Prime minister modern day khalifa.

Aap ne ayeen parha ha?

Exactly talks of peace and compromise have eroded the concept of justice, what we dontt realize is that peace is nothing but thin air, its a by product of cold, direct justice...i see people calling islam a religion of peace and i want to smash something on thier heads. Islam was never about peace, it was about justice from A to Z, uncompromising justice.

 

[El Sidd]

Anybody who is familiar with Pakistan's history and its Constitution should know how much Pakistanis have suffered because we declared interest as discouraged and against the principles of islam.

My father used to tell me about a story about a princess who got separated from her king father due to illness and was brought up by beggar family.

When she returned she couldn't eat and was near to death.

The king offered huge gold to anyone who can cure it even half of kingdom.

A village idiot like someone like me. Hears the offer.

His solution:

Let her stay in an isolated environment where she can as brought up go ask on counters. King arranged.

She became overweight in 3 weeks.


Fitrat nahi jaati.


Ghulaam hain gori chamri ke 1857 se. Awein bheek mangte hai.


Izzat kroge to hogi.


Karachiites have always been positive.

Waha bhi ek item khara krdia fear tactics me.


Hum bus dekhte hain.


@general Bajwa

Sir Raddul Fassad khatam krden. Meri jaan choote.

 

[Shane]

Yehi toukarnay jarahay hain jis ke hum khilaaf hain.

OK.. so let me tell you something which I discussed in earlier posts. Khabrain aisi hain, ke inn ko bahir bheja jaraha hai, Altaf Hussain ki tarah. lekin inn ka wapis aanay ka raasta aisay roka jaega ke inn ke jaatay hi cases ke dharadar faislay aaeingay. aur yeh mafroor kehlaeingay.

Yeh log resist iss tarah kar rahay hain ke Kulsoom ko election main khara kardia hai, (takay PMship family main rahay) aur constitutional amendments ka raasta khula rahay.

Other players (who we hate nowadays too much) chahtay hain ke Kulsoom haar jaey, aur pmln break hojaey.. MQM ki tarah. PMLN ko break karnay ka aik hi raasta bacha hai.. woh hai inn ki family ka koi shakhs PM na banay. warna PMLN nahi tootay gi.

Yeh hai meri pichli kafi posts ka khulasa. aur main establishment ki iss strategy ko bilkul like nahi karta.. lekin main iss ke liey sirf establishment ko qasoorwar nahi tehrata, iss main judiciary bhi involved hai, saaray idaray bhi involved hain. lekin sab se bara qasoor hamara hai..

bas itni si baat hai meri..



But Khalifa tou Muslim hi hota hai naa?

Baqi, main yeh keh raha tha ke selection limited number of people main se hoti hai, aur limited number of people hi vote detey hain.. lekin bi'yat sab ko karni parti hai. so it's kind of reverse system, where the best is chosen by the better, and then bi'yat process starts.

I don't know how can it be implemented in Pakistan TBH

Ok let me clear any confusion from my end. I don't want any soft NRO or anyone escaping justice, that's why I keep calling for it, to the letter and brutal justice.

I mentioned MQM with respect to links with RAW and how media highlighted it for months like no tomorrow. How MQM was made to go down on knees after that treacherous speech of Altaf.

Mostly, establishments clumsy meddling in politics let these criminals off the hook due to deals till now. Agreed that it's not just establishment to blame but Jiss ko de gai laathi, ussi ki zimma dari bhee.

Agar Fauji sarbarah ko hatanay ki sazish ho to koi aur reaction, or agar mulk ko loot loot kar kha jao aur adalat insaaf karna chahay tu deal?

Yeh kon sa insaaf hay zimmadari ka saath?

 

[El Sidd]

Exactly talks of peace and compromise have eroded the concept of justice, what we dontt realize is that peace is nothing but thin air, its a by product of cold, direct justice...i see people calling islam a religion of peace and i want to smash something on thier heads. Islam was never about peace, it was about justice from A to Z, uncompromising justice.

It's not interpreted as a system but a religion even by those who keep screaming khilafat.

It was just a system where rulers were able to provide the people to have justice so peace prevailed.

We are Islam's worse enemy.

Traditional hadsaati musalman

 

[Awan68]

Yehi toukarnay jarahay hain jis ke hum khilaaf hain.

OK.. so let me tell you something which I discussed in earlier posts. Khabrain aisi hain, ke inn ko bahir bheja jaraha hai, Altaf Hussain ki tarah. lekin inn ka wapis aanay ka raasta aisay roka jaega ke inn ke jaatay hi cases ke dharadar faislay aaeingay. aur yeh mafroor kehlaeingay.

Yeh log resist iss tarah kar rahay hain ke Kulsoom ko election main khara kardia hai, (takay PMship family main rahay) aur constitutional amendments ka raasta khula rahay.

Other players (who we hate nowadays too much) chahtay hain ke Kulsoom haar jaey, aur pmln break hojaey.. MQM ki tarah. PMLN ko break karnay ka aik hi raasta bacha hai.. woh hai inn ki family ka koi shakhs PM na banay. warna PMLN nahi tootay gi.

Yeh hai meri pichli kafi posts ka khulasa. aur main establishment ki iss strategy ko bilkul like nahi karta.. lekin main iss ke liey sirf establishment ko qasoorwar nahi tehrata, iss main judiciary bhi involved hai, saaray idaray bhi involved hain. lekin sab se bara qasoor hamara hai..

bas itni si baat hai meri..



But Khalifa tou Muslim hi hota hai naa?

Baqi, main yeh keh raha tha ke selection limited number of people main se hoti hai, aur limited number of people hi vote detey hain.. lekin bi'yat sab ko karni parti hai. so it's kind of reverse system, where the best is chosen by the better, and then bi'yat process starts.

I don't know how can it be implemented in Pakistan TBH

Sir hamary qanoon ke mutabiq Pakistan ka leader non muslim nhn ho sakta, ofcourse khalifa muslim he hotay hai magar aus ke subjects non muslims bhi hotay hen and he has to cater to their needs and rights too ensured to them by the will of Allah under Islamic law. Secondly aus waqt direct voting ka system introduce nhn huwa tha, chsnd achay log the aus waqt jo sahee bandy ka intekhab kar lety the lekin it doesnt work always, muslims were the becon of progress, we have lost that somewhere, ap selected logon ke hath men power deny ke bat kar rhe ho, who's to say that power would not corrupt them???, selected logon ke hath men power deny ka matlab hai selected monarchy. Modern voting sysyem is the ba'it. Vote means to entrust someone, ba'it has exactly the same meaning, dont get lost in language barriers, we can call our votes ba'it here for clarity but the basis will remain the same.

 

[El Sidd]

Ok let me clear any confusion from my end. I don't want any soft NRO or anyone escaping justice, that's why I keep calling for it, to the letter and brutal justice.

I mentioned MQM with respect to links with RAW and how media highlighted it for months like no tomorrow. How MQM was made to go down on knees after that treacherous speech of Altaf.

Mostly, establishments clumsy meddling in politics let these criminals off the hook due to deals till now. Agreed that it's not just establishment to blame but Jiss ko de gai laathi, ussi ki zimma dari bhee.

Agar Fauji sarbarah ko hatanay ki sazish ho to koi aur reaction, or agar mulk ko loot loot kar kha jao aur adalat insaaf karna chahay tu deal?

Yeh kon sa insaaf hay zimmadari ka saath?

Philippines.

They decided to end drug abuse. More than 4000 killed. Nobody dared say anything.

But in Pakistan.

Even a fukkin back pain puts democracy in danger. Log kapray phaarna shuru krdete hain.

Ustraa chalao.

Namaz parh lo isse pehle namaz tumhari parhayi jaye.

Eat the snake before the snake eats you.

 

[PakSword]

Ok let me clear any confusion from my end. I don't want any soft NRO or anyone escaping justice, that's why I keep calling for it, to the letter and brutal justice.

I mentioned MQM with respect to links with RAW and how media highlighted it for months like no tomorrow. How MQM was made to go down on knees after that treacherous speech of Altaf.

Mostly, establishments clumsy meddling in politics let these criminals off the hook due to deals till now. Agreed that it's not just establishment to blame but Jiss ko de gai laathi, ussi ki zimma dari bhee.

Agar Fauji sarbarah ko hatanay ki sazish ho to koi aur reaction, or agar mulk ko loot loot kar kha jao aur adalat insaaf karna chahay tu deal?

Yeh kon sa insaaf hay zimmadari ka saath?

Insaaf tou bilkul nahi horaha. Yeh tou main bhi agree karta hun. Insaaf ka tou Pakistan main naam o nishhan mit chuka Hai. Aur establishment apni pasand ke logon ko bachanay ke liey kabhi kisi ke saath aur kabhi kisi aur ke saath mil kar insaaf ka kabara karti rahegi. Woh Jo "kisi" hain.. unhain bhi danda karna parega.. lekin kaun karega?

Phir hal aik Hai Meri nazar main. Ke sarkon pe aajana chahiey to be very honest.

Yahan Tak pohncha hun main pichlay 15 din main.. although I was against this idea, but now I only see awami struggle as the only solution. Others may disagree.

Ustraa chalao

Aap se ustara chalane walay ka naam poocho tou aap kehtay hain, naei chalaega.

Aaj batado Bhai ke ustara kaun chalaega

 

[El Sidd]

Insaaf tou bilkul nahi horaha. Yeh tou main bhi agree karta hun. Insaaf ka tou Pakistan main naam o nishhan mit chuka Hai. Aur establishment apni pasand ke logon ko bachanay ke liey kabhi kisi ke saath aur kabhi kisi aur ke saath mil kar insaaf ka kabara karti rahegi. Woh Jo "kisi" hain.. unhain bhi danda karna parega.. lekin kaun karega?

Phir hal aik Hai Meri nazar main. Ke sarkon pe aajana chahiey to be very honest.

Yahan Tak pohncha hun main pichlay 15 din main.. although I was against this idea, but now I only see awami struggle as the only solution. Others may disagree.

Civil disobedience movement sirf chal sakti hai agar Imran khan kahi chutti pe chala jaye.

Apolitical pressure ki zarorat hai.

Hamara DNA sirf civil disobedience ki hud tak ijazat deta hai.

Diwaalia niklega to phir cheeeeni danda chalega

Insaaf tou bilkul nahi horaha. Yeh tou main bhi agree karta hun. Insaaf ka tou Pakistan main naam o nishhan mit chuka Hai. Aur establishment apni pasand ke logon ko bachanay ke liey kabhi kisi ke saath aur kabhi kisi aur ke saath mil kar insaaf ka kabara karti rahegi. Woh Jo "kisi" hain.. unhain bhi danda karna parega.. lekin kaun karega?

Phir hal aik Hai Meri nazar main. Ke sarkon pe aajana chahiey to be very honest.

Yahan Tak pohncha hun main pichlay 15 din main.. although I was against this idea, but now I only see awami struggle as the only solution. Others may disagree.



Aap se ustara chalane walay ka naam poocho tou aap kehtay hain, naei chalaega.

Aaj batado Bhai ke ustara kaun chalaega

Jo zimedari ka ehsas rakhta ho

 

[Awan68]

It's not interpreted as a system but a religion even by those who keep screaming khilafat.

It was just a system where rulers were able to provide the people to have justice so peace prevailed.

We are Islam's worse enemy.

Traditional hadsaati musalman

Qasm se , Islam was never a simple religion, religion was just a part of it, the rest was a complete way of life. We choose to ignore the tenets of the way of life part of it yet we will kill for the few religious. We have forgotten that an entire nation namely indonesia turned muslim just by the extremely honest dealings of muslim merchants and traders. Nowadays we start thinking of new ways to earn haram as soon as we come out of the mosque, we have isolated islam just to the mosque and shunned it from our daily lives.

 

[PakSword]

Civil disobedience movement sirf chal sakti hai agar Imran khan kahi chutti pe chala jaye.

Call di tou thee aik baar civil disobedience ki. Kitnay logon ne saath diya?

 

[El Sidd]

Qasm se , Islam was never a simple religion, religion was just a part of it, the rest was a complete way of life. We choose to ignore the tenets of the way of life part of it yet we will kill for the few religious. We have forgotten that an entire nation namely indonesia turned muslim just by the extremely honest dealings of muslim merchants and traders. Nowadays we start thinking of new ways to earn haram as soon as we come out of the mosque, we have isolated islam just to the mosque and shunned it from our daily lives.

Sir choren masjid qible ki baten.

System of justice ki baat karen.

Namaz roza hajj ye Allah poch lega.

Huqooq ul ibad ki baat kia Karen

Call di tou thee aik baar civil disobedience ki. Kitnay logon ne saath diya?

Apolitical.


Politics nahi chaiye.

 

[Awan68]

Sir choren masjid qible ki baten.

System of justice ki baat karen.

Namaz roza hajj ye Allah poch lega.

Huqooq ul ibad ki baat kia Karen

Yehi to men keh raha hun, ke sirf namaz rooza aur hajj islam nhn hai, yeh sirf islam ke basic pehlo hen, ais ke bad jo phd karwata hai hamen islam ikhlaqiat aur haqooq ul ibad men who hum karna nhn chahte kyun ke mushqil kam hai, bar hal sab tenets zaroori hen, we cant just choose what suits us and throwthe rest away, mera zameer to sirf insaf ka perokar hai, sakht na maaf karne wala insaf. Namaz roza haj shahid Allah maaf bhi kar de kyun ke wo aus azeem zat ke haqooq hen, lekin haqooq ul ibad Allah kabhi maaf nhn kare ga..