Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Realistic Change]

@PakSword ; @Farah Sohail ; @Realistic Change

I have deliberating and reflecting on what has come out of SC in the last 72-hours - and more importantly - why it has come out, and what impact is intended:

1. The Hudaibya paper mill case decision is to create a divide within the house of Shareefs (and this is very important for the events to come in the next 6 to 12 months). With this decision, a message has been given to Shahbaz Shareef (SS), if he does not meddle himself into more non-sense then can have a political future (which is extremely important for him). If he creates more mischief, a review petition can be filed in the SC; and this time all the evidences will be presented as well (which have been withheld for now).
2. PMLn is imploding and party stalwarts are either resigning or distancing themselves from it.
3. Nawaz Shareef has no chance of starting a nationwide movement, contrary to what he has said today.
4. A new Muslim League is likely to emerge. Ch. is not "POLITICALLY DEAD" - contrary to what many people had thought.
5. IK has been given a relief and the powerful circles have now agreed to accommodate him.

Thanks @Dil Pakistan for the tag.

Let me share with you the following based on my firsthand info that I became privy to in last one month or so during my visit to Islamabad, Lahore, Multan and Rahim Yar Khan.

1. Actions of Sharif’s in Hudaibiya will come out - no stopping here. Having said this, Shahbaz does hold good relations with power players including judiciary but I am hoping this will not taint their view in his favor.

2. I donot see PMLN stalwarts (Khawaja Asif, Ahsan Iqbal, Saad Rafique, Khaqan Abbasi, Iqbal Jhagra, Mushahidullah, Parvez Rashid, even Nisar) leaving PMLN - I have shared over here several months ago and still stand by it reconfirming with my latest info. There are several types of leaders in PMLN - above ones have aligned themselves far too right - Pro Nawaz. Their exit / fleeing is their political death or at the least stigmatizing them to a pygmy’s level in the next new or splinter party.

3. Nawaz is a dreamer - he cannot start pull crowd no matter what - his voter is not Jalsa type voter- in short you are spot on his politics is not of street power so he can’t do protests like his opponents are capable of - so knowing this fact he will be fool of utter degree to jump into a field that totally belongs to his opponents.

4. You are right here too - many people including @PakSword over here stated Ch Nisar as spent force - I had been repeatedly over here saying exactly what you are saying again because of first hand info re his plans. He never ever intended to leave the party - he wants to have the cake when the baker of the cake is totally out. Refer to #2 above.

5. IK is not given relief - decision was on merit. PMLN and Jang / Geo did usual Disinformation campaign to equate his simple inflow of £ vs outflow of $ case. Kudos to them for doing this successfully.

Let’s say, IK is still considered “least” favorite in Power Brokering circles - again this info is from as higher ups in Army & Bureaucracy as it could be.

Though, situation is favouring him and the wind is perfect

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Another thing I wanted to share was Nawaz’s worst days are yet to come - abhi tou sirf ghaseeta gaya hai, ragdra abhi baaqi hai.

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[Farah Sohail]

Another thing I wanted to share was Nawaz’s worst days are yet to come - abhi tou sirf ghaseeta gaya hai, ragdra abhi baaqi hai.

NS worst days are yet to come...politically or legally? On legal front..i dont think...panama bench judges ke calibre ke aur judges hain....mostly judges are basheera and Qazi Faez Isa type.....so legally mujhe nahi lagta ke NS ka tough time aayega.. he will manage his cases and at most..will go in exile like last time..Yes..politically party uss ke haath se zuroor nikal sakti hai

Lastly, I might be contesting elections on a NA seat from Southern Punjab - will keep you guys posted!

Oh woww... best of luck...

 

[PakSword]

4. You are right here too - many people including @PakSword over here stated Ch Nisar as spent force -

No.. I think I have never said that.. what I believe is that Ch. Nisar is a drama queen.. because sometime back he was acting weird with his back pain on a daily basis, calling press and when everyone on the media said that he would resign, many of us thought that is doing a drama here..

He is still a force.. I believe.. but he is a drama queen of the highest order..

Lastly, I might be contesting elections on a NA seat from Southern Punjab - will keep you guys posted!

Good luck.. Please issue me a pass to the NA when you win in shaa Allah.. I want to see the building from inside..

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@Farah Sohail I am reading the verdict.. Nawaz was right when he said that he would be disqualified even in IK case..

 

[Farah Sohail]

@Farah Sohail I am reading the verdict.. Nawaz was right when he said that he would be disqualified even in IK case..

Main bi aaj bilkol yehi soch rahi thee.. NS was sooo right when he said ke judges IK ke case main bhi mujhe disqualify kardein ge i think judges did exactly that.. they disqualified him, one more time...in IK's verdict

Jab aap poora parh lein tab zuroor batayye ga...

And guess what? I am reading IK's verdict once again

Main ne bas PPO aur foreign funding wala part nahi parha tha pehle bhi aur ab bhi nahi... agar aap ne parha ho tu bataa dejye ga ke us main kia hai?

But other than that.. i am reading IK's verdict once again

 

[PakSword]

Main ne bas PPO aur foreign funding wala part nahi parha tha pehle bhi aur ab bhi nahi... agar aap ne parha ho tu bataa dejye ga ke us main kia hai?

Uss main ziada kuchh nahi hai... actually aik rule hai ke government ka faisla hota hai ke kisi political party ko agar government samajhti hai ke foreign funded hai, tou usay ban kia jaey aur muamla SC refer kia jaey..

Government ne aisa kuchh nahi kia..

Government ke ilawa koi doosra shakhs yeh kaam nahi karsakta..

Neefay podri ko zaleel kar ke yeh kaha gaya hai ke ECP aur government ka kaam tu ne kyun kia bey?

Government ko kaha gaya hai ke agar woh samajhti hai tou PTI ko ban karday.. aur muamla phir hamain bhejay..

Regarding investigations on allegation leveled by neefa about some foreigners.. ECP ko bhi ikhtiar hai ke woh dobara iss muamlay ko dekh le..

Main bi aaj bilkol yehi soch rahi thee.. NS was sooo right when he said ke judges IK ke case main bhi mujhe disqualify kardein ge i think judges did exactly that.. they disqualified him, one more time...in IK's verdict

NS mujhay lagta hai aaj ke baad har case main disqualify hoga..

Yeh verdict review petition ke verdict se bhi ziada acha hai btw.. This should have been written in 28-Jul verdict I believe..

Abb GEO ke anchors ro rahay hain ke kyun baar baar baar baar explain kia ja raha hai...

Aap bhi dekhain aur enjoy karain..

 

[Farah Sohail]

NS mujhay lagta hai aaj ke baad har case main disqualify hoga..

Yeh verdict review petition ke verdict se bhi ziada acha hai btw.. This should have been written in 28-Jul verdict I believe..

Abb GEO ke anchors ro rahay hain ke kyun baar baar baar baar explain kia ja raha hai...

Main ne kaha tha na..ke iss verdict main panama verdict ko bohat acha explain kiya gaya hai..even better than Ejaz Afzal.. i agree ye verdict..28th july ko aana chahye tha..phir koi confusion na hogi

Although ke review verdict ..EJaz Afzal ne bhi bohatt acha likha hai aur sahi insult ki hai, NS ki......lekin ye jo CJ aur J Faisal Atab ne likha hai regd panama case..ye sab 28th july ke verdict main lihka jaana chahye tha..to avoid any confusion.. i think wahan Ejaz Afzal se ghalti hogayi thee.... shayad unhon ne jaldi jaldi ke chakkar main ke jaldi verdict annuonce kardein.........briefly likh diya tha uar woh sahi se explain nahi kar paaye thay....ya unhein andaza nahi tha ke iqaama ko itna exploit kiya jayega..

Lekin ...Uske baad review main Ejaz Afzal ne ..phir proper verdict likha aur sahi be izzati ki NS ki..

Waisy yahan CJ aur Faisal Arab ne iqaama aur FZE wala issue bohatt acha explain kiya aur money laundering se relation banaaya hai... jo NS kehta hai ke hum par corruption ka ek ilzam bbhi nahi aur iqaama par disqualify kardyia.. uska jawab ...iss verdict main CJ aur Faisal Arab ne bohatt acha diya hai..

Poora verdict parh liya....aap ne?

 

[PakSword]

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Waisay @Farah Sohail ... IK Grand Hayat walay muamlay main baal baal bach gaya..

When you do an advanced payment, and it is recoverable if the asset is not transferred to you.. the advance itself is an asset in pure accounting terms..

Yeh bilkul NS wala muamla tha.. ke when a salary is receivable, it is considered asset..

Poora verdict parh liya....aap ne?

Nahi abhi nahi parha..

 

[Farah Sohail]

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Waisay @Farah Sohail ... IK Grand Hayat walay muamlay main baal baal bach gaya..

When you do an advanced payment, and it is recoverable if the asset is not transferred to you.. the advance itself is an asset in pure accounting terms..

Yeh bilkul NS wala muamla tha.. ke when a salary is receivable, it is considered asset..

Lekin yahan tu judges keh rahay hain ke jab tak poori sale na ho aur usko transfer na ho..it wasnt an asset....?

Waisy mujhe 83-2000 tak tax wala matter ziada problematic lag raha tha...but judges said ke baad main amnesty scheme avail kar li..tu ab hum uss main nahi jaa rahay... us main bhi garbar hosakti thee...

 

[PakSword]

i think wahan Ejaz Afzal se ghalti hogayi thee.... shayad unhon ne jaldi jaldi ke chakkar main ke jaldi verdict annuonce kardein.........briefly likh diya tha uar woh sahi se explain nahi kar paaye thay....

Aik khatoon aik forum pe itna ghussa horahi thi... ke verdict kyun nahi aaraha verdict kyun nahi aaraha.. Ejaz Afzal ne ghanimat isi main samjhi ke abhi jaisa taisa hai likh detay hain.. NS apni khaslat ke mutabiq review main jaega tou explain kardaingay..

 

[Farah Sohail]

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Waisay @Farah Sohail ... IK Grand Hayat walay muamlay main baal baal bach gaya..

When you do an advanced payment, and it is recoverable if the asset is not transferred to you.. the advance itself is an asset in pure accounting terms..

Yeh bilkul NS wala muamla tha.. ke when a salary is receivable, it is considered asset..

Lekin yahan tu judges keh rahay hain ke jab tak poori sale na ho aur usko transfer na ho..it wasnt an asset....?

Waisy mujhe 83-2000 tak tax wala matter ziada problematic lag raha tha...but judges said ke baad main amnesty scheme avail kar li..tu ab hum uss main nahi jaa rahay... us main bhi garbar hosakti thee...

 

[PakSword]

Lekin yahan tu judges keh rahay hain ke jab tak poori sale na ho aur usko transfer na ho..it wasnt an asset....?

Nahi.. actually.. accounting main advance payment agar recoverable ho tou asset kehlati hai.. nature of asset different hoti hai.. assets cash and bank balances bhi hotay hain.. cars bhi hoti hain, building, furniture and fixtures, etc.. anything that may be spent by you to settle liabilities or purchase other assets.. for example, cash jab tak aapke paas hai, aap ka asset hai, agar main aap ko koi car bech raha hun.. aur main kehta hun ke aap part payment abhi kardain aur part payment title transfer ke baad, tou cash advance main convert hojata hai.. woh bhi aap ka hi asset hota hai.. phir jab aap ke naam car transfer hoti hai tou asset car main tabdeel hojata hai..

Waisy mujhe 83-2000 tak tax wala matter ziada problematic lag raha tha...but judges said ke baad main amnesty scheme avail kar li..tu ab hum uss main nahi jaa rahay... us main bhi garbar hosakti thee...

Nahi iss pe nahi hosakta tha.. iss ka tou mujhay yaqeen tha.. kyun ke amnesty scheme government ne khud nikali thi.. aur uss ke tehet koi further tax, penalty, punishment impose nahi hosakti thi.. iss liey government apni offer se kaisay phir sakti hai.. agar government amnesty scheme ke saath yeh offer.. ke penalty, punishment ka haq government mehfooz rakhti hai... phir IK ko museebat parti..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Aik khatoon aik forum pe itna ghussa horahi thi... ke verdict kyun nahi aaraha verdict kyun nahi aaraha.. Ejaz Afzal ne ghanimat isi main samjhi ke abhi jaisa taisa hai likh detay hain.. NS apni khaslat ke mutabiq review main jaega tou explain kardaingay..

 

[PakSword]

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@Farah Sohail yeh dekhain..

An advance payment, or simply an advance, is the part of a contractually due sum that is paid or received in advance for goods or services, while the balance included in the invoice will only follow the delivery. ... Advanced payments are recorded asassets on the balance sheet.

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Iss main dhak kar gaey judges NS ke saath..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Nahi.. actually.. accounting main advance payment agar recoverable ho tou asset kehlati hai.. nature of asset different hoti hai.. assets cash and bank balances bhi hotay hain.. cars bhi hoti hain, building, furniture and fixtures, etc.. anything that may be spent by you to settle liabilities or purchase other assets.. for example, cash jab tak aapke paas hai, aap ka asset hai, agar main aap ko koi car bech raha hun.. aur main kehta hun ke aap part payment abhi kardain aur part payment title transfer ke baad, tou cash advance main convert hojata hai.. woh bhi aap ka hi asset hota hai.. phir jab aap ke naam car transfer hoti hai tou asset car main tabdeel hojata hai..

Hmmm... iska matlab judges IK ke saath lenient rahay? Waisy unanimuos judgment hia.. all 3 judges agreed on this.. aur i think ye wala bench sab se ziada tax aur accounting se related cases decide karta hai usually jaisy...Justice Khosa criminal cases decide kartay hain.. tu aisy judges se accounting principle main ghalti hona.....? Ya shayad lenient rahay?

Waisy IK se lenient rahay ya nahi...lekin NS se bilkol lenient nahi rahay jaisu..NS ne bhi kaha tha ke lagta hia ke IK ke caes main hbi mujhe disqualify kardein ge...waisy hi kia judges ne

Nahi.. actually.. accounting main advance payment agar recoverable ho tou asset kehlati hai.. nature of asset different hoti hai.. assets cash and bank balances bhi hotay hain.. cars bhi hoti hain, building, furniture and fixtures, etc.. anything that may be spent by you to settle liabilities or purchase other assets.. for example, cash jab tak aapke paas hai, aap ka asset hai, agar main aap ko koi car bech raha hun.. aur main kehta hun ke aap part payment abhi kardain aur part payment title transfer ke baad, tou cash advance main convert hojata hai.. woh bhi aap ka hi asset hota hai.. phir jab aap ke naam car transfer hoti hai tou asset car main tabdeel hojata hai..

Hmmm... iska matlab judges IK ke saath lenient rahay? Waisy unanimuos judgment hia.. all 3 judges agreed on this.. aur i think ye wala bench sab se ziada tax aur accounting se related cases decide karta hai usually jaisy...Justice Khosa criminal cases decide kartay hain.. tu aisy judges se accounting principle main ghalti hona.....? Ya shayad lenient rahay?

Waisy IK se lenient rahay ya nahi...lekin NS se bilkol lenient nahi rahay jaisu..NS ne bhi kaha tha ke lagta hia ke IK ke caes main hbi mujhe disqualify kardein ge...waisy hi kia judges ne

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@Farah Sohail yeh dekhain..

An advance payment, or simply an advance, is the part of a contractually due sum that is paid or received in advance for goods or services, while the balance included in the invoice will only follow the delivery. ... Advanced payments are recorded asassets on the balance sheet.

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Iss main dhak kar gaey judges NS ke saath..

Abb? ..what..if they go in review? Waisy kisi ne abb tak ye point raise nahi kiya..kisi talkshow main bhi...kiun?

 

[PakSword]

Waisy IK se lenient rahay ya nahi...lekin NS se bilkol lenient nahi rahay jaisu..NS ne bhi kaha tha ke lagta hia ke IK ke caes main hbi mujhe disqualify kardein ge...waisy hi kia judges ne

NS ne aisay hi nahi kaha tha.. mera khayal hai uss ne apni beti (jokay English Literature main MA karnay ke baad Political Science main PhD kar rahi hai) ke saath mil kar yeh verdict parh lia tha..

Yeh parh ke usay laga ke phir dhak hogaya uss ke saath.. usay apni aankhon pe yaqeen hi nahi aaya hoga ke IK ke verdict main bhi meri izzat afzai! woh bhi rach ke!

Abb? ..what..if they go in review? Waisy kisi ne abb tak ye point raise nahi kiya..kisi talkshow main bhi...kiun?

Talk shows main chartered accountants thori aatay hain..

Yeh talat hussain waghaira tou journalism main iss liey gaey thay ke medical college ya engineering university main daakhlay ke liey number pooray nahi thay..

On a serious note.. I don't know what has happened here.. For sure yeh IK se ghalti huee hogi.. kyun ke 2015 main uss ne show kardia tha poora amount..