Panama Case - Post Verdict Discussion and Updates

[Farah Sohail]

The only thing which is giving some hope is that monitoring judge gets report every couple of weeks.

So Basheera is finding it extremely difficult to give them a clean clean chit.

Yes.. monitoring judge gets report...but he doesnt interfere at all..in proceedings..

Quote from panama review petition rgd monitoirng judge

"The argument that the power to superintend the proceedings of the Accountability Court has not been conferred on the Supreme Court, therefore nomination of one of the judges of this Court to superintend them would be violative of Article 175(2) and (3) of the Constitution is also misconceived as this practice has been in vogue since long and the purpose behind it is to guard against intrusion of casualness in the proceedings before the trial court. Such practice, by no stretch of imagination, implies that the monitoring Judge would in any way influence or interfere with decision-making process of the Trial Court. It being completely innocuous to either of the parties would not tend to harm any. Its continuance, therefore, need not be objected to."

So monitoring judge is useless...

Basheera will be free to acquit sharifs

 

[El_Swordsmen]

Mujhay Basheeray se achi ummeed nahi hai..

Even if his this appeal has been rejected, Basheera may acquit him. And if he does that, and NAB decides to not appeal against the decision of accountability court within certain time, it will take another dharna + what not to bring him to court as in the case of Hudaibiya..

The only thing which is giving some hope is that monitoring judge gets report every couple of weeks.

So Basheera is finding it extremely difficult to give them a clean clean chit.

Please also factor in that NAB at time of Zardari's investigation was different & more corrupt than now .... it's chairman was corrupt to the core.
zardari's references/investigation/decision were not ordered to be completed within 6 months period & most importantly SC wasn't monitoring those references ... if investigation is not done properly & there's no authentic evidence how can a judge convict someone ?? .... if JIT hadn't investigated properly nawaz would have been acquitted long ago on the basis of lack of evidence

 

[PakSword]

Yes.. monitoring judge gets report...but he doesnt interfere at all..in proceedings..

Quote from panama review petition rgd monitoirng judge

"The argument that the power to superintend the proceedings of the Accountability Court has not been conferred on the Supreme Court, therefore nomination of one of the judges of this Court to superintend them would be violative of Article 175(2) and (3) of the Constitution is also misconceived as this practice has been in vogue since long and the purpose behind it is to guard against intrusion of casualness in the proceedings before the trial court. Such practice, by no stretch of imagination, implies that the monitoring Judge would in any way influence or interfere with decision-making process of the Trial Court. It being completely innocuous to either of the parties would not tend to harm any. Its continuance, therefore, need not be objected to."

So monitoring judge is useless...

Basheera will be free to acquit sharifs

Yeah that's right.... but still there is someone who is monitoring..

Khair, as I said earlier, that new NAB chairman may also play good role (despite our earlier reservations).. because "some people" believe he will perform his due duties with integrity..

Lets see..

And also, PMLN's disintegration is very near.. after that NS will have to go to UK forever, or face the consequences here..

 

[Realistic Change]

Dreams of Sharif’archy and Co to whiten their $500 million through Eurobond at astronomical 7-8% seems to be crashing soon!

Based on new info re their bungling other than Panama are coming out soon in theatres across Pakistan - bad luck streak is not ending yet one part of family is hell bent on fast forwarding it’s extinction sooner rather than later - afreen hai inki “intelligence” pey

 

[Strike!]

In news programs yesterday, various anchors were saying that Sharifs have planned to sell their uk properties, which is why Maryam will go to UK to sign off her properties.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yeah that's right.... but still there is someone who is monitoring..

Khair, as I said earlier, that new NAB chairman may also play good role (despite our earlier reservations).. because "some people" believe he will perform his due duties with integrity..

Lets see..

And also, PMLN's disintegration is very near.. after that NS will have to go to UK forever, or face the consequences here..

Agar tu judge hi sharifs se mila hua ho...jaisy basheera..tu phir chairman NAB agar chahein bhi tu kuch naih karsakta.. prosceution kuch naih karskati agar judge...accused se mila hua ho..jaisy basheera...

 

[El_Swordsmen]

Dreams of Sharif’archy and Co to whiten their $500 million through Eurobond at astronomical 7-8% seems to be crashing soon!

Based on new info re their bungling other than Panama are coming out soon in theatres across Pakistan - bad luck streak is not ending yet one part of family is hell bent on fast forwarding it’s extinction sooner rather than later - afreen hai inki “intelligence” pey

how true are the rumors that shareefs are planning to sell Avenfield apartments

 

[Farah Sohail]

Monitoring Judge haina bhai ... tension koi nahi

Monitoring judge wont interfere in anything.. he is only to ensure 6 months main trial.. complete ho........ab us main beshak..basheera acquit kar dey..monitoring judge kuch nahi karsaktay... read panama review verdict quote regd monitoring judge..which i shared here..

Mujhe tu waisy basheeray ka mood 6 months main trial complete karnay ka bhi nahi lagta.. woh har dafa kehta hai ke ab se daily heraings hongi lekin phir har dafa lambi lambi dates deta hai..

Baji maryam ko tu kisi soorat woh saza nahi dey ga.. its clear from day 1 from basheera's conduct.. baji ko woh har step par releif de eaha hai.... jo relief baji maangti jaa rahi hai ... woh de raha hai.. infact pehle tu ..baji ne maanga bhi nahi tha.. jab koi appear nahi horaha tha... basheeray ne khud hi..sab ke non bailable warrants issue kiye thay...lekin baji ke bailable...without giving nay legal reason... baji ne calibri font par relief maanga.. woh bhi..us waqt ke liye accept kar liya.. baji ko 1 month ki exemption de di...

Ishaq dar ko is ne ba tak exemption nahi di..dar ke bhtt dafa exemption request karny k bawajood... inhien fauran de di.. hasan aur hussain ke ishtehari honya pra verdict ko bhi delay kar diya.. woh isay kal dena tha..lekin ab 1 week delay kar diya.. ye delay par delay karta jaa raha hai....iska bas nahi chla raha ke kis tarah sharifs ko acquit kar dey

 

[PakSword]

Agar tu judge hi sharifs se mila hua ho...jaisy basheera..tu phir chairman NAB agar chahein bhi tu kuch naih karsakta.. prosceution kuch naih karskati agar judge...accused se mila hua ho..jaisy basheera..

If Chairman NAB is corrupt, he will not appeal against the decision given by a lower court, just like previous chairman didn't appeal in his time.

The news that I have got is that the current Chairman NAB is ready to go to any extent. So he is not concerned about the lower court.. He is ready to appeal against the decision as soon as he gets the copy of the detail verdict in favor of Shareefs.. (if there is a decision in favor).

 

[Farah Sohail]

If Chairman NAB is corrupt, he will not appeal against the decision given by a lower court, just like previous chairman didn't appeal in his time.

The news that I have got is that the current Chairman NAB is ready to go to any extent. So he is not concerned about the lower court.. He is ready to appeal against the decision as soon as he gets the copy of the detail verdict in favor of Shareefs.. (if there is a decision in favor).

Waisy basheera ek aur harkat bhi karsakta hai.. jis ka mujhe ziada darr hai... agar tu yeh bilkol sharifs ke favor main decision dey ga....jaisy acquit kar dey tu iski bhtt ziada badnaami hogi...kiun ke har ek ko is case ka pata hai...

Mujhe ye darr hai ke ..basheera ye karay ga...apnay aap ko neutral show karnay ke liye..ke jis jurm kisnaza 14 saal ho...us par koi legal lacuna nikaal kar.....for example 14 saal ki bajaaye 4 saalnki saza dey de...especially baji ki sazaa bhtt ziada kam kardey..ke na acquit karay poori tarah lekin sharif family ko bhtt ziada favor de dey..

Abhi bhi basheera ka yehi pattern hai... basheera is playing very smartly.. ek aadh cheez unke against bhi dey deta hai..ke logon ko ye na lagay ke ye mila hua hai.. lekin critical points par favor karta hai.. esp baji ko.. maryam ko tu har step par relief deta hai..jo jo us ne maanga ya nahi bhi maanga..

Agar basheera ..inko acquit na karay lekin bhtt ziada lenient ho kar inhien saza dey ke 1/4th saza dey..tu..is se NAB ke pass appeal karnay ka hbi zoada imventive nahi rahay ga.. nAB sirf tab appela karay ga..agar sharifs ko acquit kar dyia jaaye..

Agar basheera acquit na karay lekin bilkol bekaar saza dey..tu us se dono kaam hojayein ge.. NAB bhi appeal nahi karay ga....aur sharifs ko bhi favor mil jayega..
ya basheera ye bhi skarsakta hai ke MS ko saza dey de..lekin maryam ko acquit kar dey... sharif family bhi asal main maryam ko hi bachaana chahti hai..

Agar maryam ko acquit karday aur NS ko saza dey di...tu bhi mujhe lagta hai ke NAB appeal main nahi jayegi.. mujhe yaqeen hai ke basheera koi zuroor trick karay ga.. ke woh poori tarah badnaam na ho lekin critical relief zuroor dey ga..

Sirf saza barhaanay ke liye tu NAB appeal nahi karay ga.. NAB acquit honay par hi appeal karay ga.. ya agar NS ko saza dey de aur maryam ko acquit kar dey tab bhi mera khyal hai ke shayad NAB appeal na karay

 

[PakSword]

Waisy basheera ek aur harkat bhi karsakta hai.. jis ka mujhe ziada darr hai... agar tu yeh bilkol sharifs ke favor main decision dey ga....jaisy acquit kar dey tu iski bhtt ziada badnaami hogi...kiun ke har ek ko is case ka pata hai...

Mujhe ye darr hai ke ..basheera ye karay ga...apnay aap ko neutral show karnay ke liye..ke jis jurm kisnaza 14 saal ho...us par koi legal lacuna nikaal kar.....for example 14 saal ki bajaaye 4 saalnki saza dey de...especially baji ki sazaa bhtt ziada kam kardey..ke na acquit karay poori tarah lekin sharif family ko bhtt ziada favor de dey..

Abhi bhi basheera ka yehi pattern hai... basheera is playing very smartly.. ek aadh cheez unke against bhi dey deta hai..ke logon ko ye na lagay ke ye mila hua hai.. lekin critical points par favor karta hai.. esp baji ko.. maryam ko tu har step par relief deta hai..jo jo us ne maanga ya nahi bhi maanga..

Agar basheera ..inko acquit na karay lekin bhtt ziada lenient ho kar inhien saza dey ke 1/4th saza dey..tu..is se NAB ke pass appeal karnay ka hbi zoada imventive nahi rahay ga.. nAB sirf tab appela karay ga..agar sharifs ko acquit kar dyia jaaye..

Agar basheera acquit na karay lekin bilkol bekaar saza dey..tu us se dono kaam hojayein ge.. NAB bhi appeal nahi karay ga....aur sharifs ko bhi favor mil jayega..
ya basheera ye bhi skarsakta hai ke MS ko saza dey de..lekin maryam ko acquit kar dey... sharif family bhi asal main maryam ko hi bachaana chahti hai..

Agar maryam ko acquit karday aur NS ko saza dey di...tu bhi mujhe lagta hai ke NAB appeal main nahi jayegi.. mujhe yaqeen hai ke basheera koi zuroor trick karay ga.. ke woh poori tarah badnaam na ho lekin critical relief zuroor dey ga..

Sirf saza barhaanay ke liye tu NAB appeal nahi karay ga.. NAB acquit honay par hi appeal karay ga.. ya agar NS ko saza dey de aur maryam ko acquit kar dey tab bhi mera khyal hai ke shayad NAB appeal na karay

Baji tou sirf 6 months ke liey bhi jail chali gaee tou maza hi ajana hai..

22 cars ke protocol main Adiala jatay buhat achi lagegi..

Mujhay nahi lagta ke kisi ko bhi jail hogi.. unless NS and Maryam decide to stay in the country.

If they decide to stay, then they will be put behind bars for 14 years even if the max allowed is 7 years..

 

[Farah Sohail]

Baji tou sirf 6 months ke liey bhi jail chali gaee tou maza hi ajana hai..

22 cars ke protocol main Adiala jatay buhat achi lagegi..

Mujhay nahi lagta ke kisi ko bhi jail hogi.. unless NS and Maryam decide to stay in the country.

If they decide to stay, then they will be put behind bars for 14 years even if the max allowed is 7 years..

I think they will stay.. they wont go in exile.. mujhe lagta hai.. ye jo waips aaya hai NS... ye aata jaata rahay ga.. lekin exile mian completely ye abhi nahi jaa raha..

NS party par control rahkna chahta hai.. usay pata hai ke woh chala gaya..tu party uske haath se nikal jayegi.. i think NS is confident ke woh basheeray ko manage kar ley ga..

NS kuch bhi kahay ..aur pretend karay... but he is confident as far as basheera is concerned

Abhi bhi NS jo bhi bol raha hai ..woh SC ke against hi bol raha hai sirf.. basheeray ke against nahi.. kal bhi us ne bola hai ke SC humaray khilaf faisal karaa rahi hai... SC ne review petition mian humaray political opponents wali zubana istemaal ki..aur lower court ko ye message dyia ke NS ko saza har haal main deni hai.. usay sirf SC se masla hai..basheeray se nahi..

Basheera..... baji ko tu ek din ke liye bhi jail nahi bheje ga.. am sure..

Aur NS ko bhi lenient saza dey ga... waisy saza tu by NAB law..14 yrs ki banti hai...basheeray ka bas chalay ga tu NS ko sirf 4 saal ki saza dey.. aur baji ko acquit

Ye kuch aisa hi karay ga ke NAB appeal main bhi na jaaye

 

[Verve]

they wont go in exile..

the moment Nawaz and Co have lost all control over the party, they will run. Whether they succeed this time remains to be seen.

 

[Dastaan]

In today's hearing, Justice Isa raised questions about why the law restricting people from flying out of the country was not being applied uniformly to everyone.

The judge implied that certain individuals who have left the country are involved in a number of suspicious activities.

"Traitors and people involved in other serious cases are all sitting abroad," he observed. "Have any steps been taken to bring them back to Pakistan?" he asked.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1370883/dr-asims-name-to-be-struck-off-ecl

 

[Farah Sohail]

In today's hearing, Justice Isa raised questions about why the law restricting people from flying out of the country was not being applied uniformly to everyone.

The judge implied that certain individuals who have left the country are involved in a number of suspicious activities.

"Traitors and people involved in other serious cases are all sitting abroad," he observed. "Have any steps been taken to bring them back to Pakistan?" he asked.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1370883/dr-asims-name-to-be-struck-off-ecl

I cant believe..there was a time I liked Qazi Fais Isa.. he is all talk and nothing else.. baatein croron ki, dukaan pakoron ki..truly applies to him too..

@bold Instead of urging state to bring back those involved in serious cases to Pakistan, he allowed ...Dr Asim...who is himself involved in mega corruption, to go abroad.. qazi Faiz Isa remarked why doesnt state apply laws equally to everyone..he should have urged to bring others back too.. but he said..jao beta..tum bhi jao..mazay karo

Even last time..he was in the bench..which removed Dr Asim's name from ECL.. us se pehle Dr Asim ka case Ejaz Afzal ke bench ke pass tha..and Ejaz Afzal remarked ke sab baray log bemaar kiun hojaatay hain...cases main involve honay par? He had suggested constituiting an indepenedent medical board..constituiting of doctors from all provinces but then summer vacations came..uske baad Qazi Faoz Isa ke bench ke pass chala gaya..i think Justice Dost bhi thay and they ..in just one hearing...removed Dr Asim's name from ECL..

Ab phir yehi hua.. aur baatein Qazi Faiz Isa ki sunein tu lagta hai ke in se zoada corruption ke againts koi nahi..

Aur yehi Qazi Faiz Isa aur Justice Dost Muhammad thay jinhon ne JIT member Irfan Mangi ke against remarks diye thay ke ye bhtt hero bana baitha hai.. kiun na isay bhi mulzim banaa lein..? Jo hero hain..unhien mulzim banaana chahtay hian aur jo mulzim hain.....unhein Qazi Faiz Isa mulk se bhagaa dete hain