Well did that caused any chaos? Or do not you think that the panel was not aware of what other members were going to say on this matter?
The decision came out as a win win for both parties, just as we have been suggesting for months now, something that can and will be celebrated by both parties, almost everyone here said this. I am surprised how people got carried away once the decision was announced and got emotional. This is exactly what YOU ALL have been suggesting all alone. If you look and think about it all with a cool mind (please do) you will realize what i am saying.
What are your views about this
@PakSword
I understand that you are not satisfied with the result bro but haven’t we discussed that the decision will be of a kind that will make both sides happy and yet won’t satisfy anyone fully. The only little thing that would have made it absolutely PEREFECT for me would have been a note, even if In form of a suggestion, to the PM to step down, suspending him so free and fair investigations can be conducted. However, please tell me how would that have made any different practically? I mean, even with PM suspended (though I would have loved it as it would have been a telling blow and VERY insulting) the acting PM would have taken forward the same agenda. The only way around this is that SC take control of the investigation, clear cut points are told to all institutions that about what exactly they need to investigate and what is that SC is looking for.
Dear please do note that this is not a “la waris” case either. These is big political party behind all this and they will keep pushing NS and Supreme Court to take the just route.
Again, i want to point out that:
- This verdict is pretty much same as we were all expecting and discussed.
- Only a suspension would have made it perfect for all of us but frankly, that would not have been of any practical value in the case as acting PM would have worked as hard as possible to save NS *** as it means his own too!!
The main disappointment is because PMLN celebrated thee decision as a victory which in reality is not. Out of 5 judges 2 declared him a dishonest thief and 3 have asked for him to be investigated further. NONE OF THE JUDGES SAID HE IS AN HONEST MAN as being portrayed by PMLN. They are trying the same old trick of deception they did on the night of elections in hope that the public will fall for it again and sadly the met some success as well (however I hope more and more people are realizing what they did there).
Again, I will request everyone please not fall for there lies again.
Got your question.. Sorry I missed i earlier.. In the last 5-6 days, it was very difficult for me to follow the case with you guys on this forum. I broke my mobile as well, and the mobile that I am using now is very difficult to operate.
Actually, I wasn't even expecting disqualification from a single judge, but then 2 judges disqualified PM which is more than what I expected. However, it is the verdict of majority that prevails.
Personally, I didn't want disqualification as it would have given NS a reason to cry foul. It wasn't a trial court and disqualification coming from SC would have been too much.
That said, I have some serious reservations on the verdict of 3 judges. They have asked questions that had to be answered during the proceeding rather than transferring responsibility to certain departments/ institutions on which the bench itself showed distrust.
I received a news from somewhere that the verdict has reached in the hands of PM, and he is very happy as although the verdict seems to be against him, it gives a way to get a clean chit in the longer run. I shared this news on Panama thread but also said that it is unbelievable how a verdict could be against someone and then give him another opportunity to come clean. I and
@Farah Sohail thought about it, and then threw this news away considering it rubbish.
When I started reading the majority verdict, some paras gave me nausea seriously. I shared those paras in the thread as well. How can someone write that 62/63 covers only legal dishonesty, not the moral one, and that too related to the people who are our legislators. They in fact buried the issue of 62/63 forever with this judgement in my opinion.
Then come these questions, where they are asking to investigate money trail. I mean come on. It was our institution (NAB) that has already completed all the investigation in this regard. Why they are asking for fresh investigations? By asking that "lets investigate again", they are effectively saying that we are not believing what has been provided in Hudaibiya case investigation report.
And wasn't it the responsibility of accused in this case to provide everything? What has changed that stance?
Two institutions I know, have already finalized their people for this probe. One of them is a die hard fan of Mian Nawaz Shareef. The other one is a balanced person from Karachi. I will not name them here due to some confidentiality issues. But I can tell, one department has already given in, by assigning a person who is a PMLN supporter.
This is what happens when you consider the institutions as non-functional during proceedings and in the verdict and then give them the most critical task again to complete.
There is no mention in the verdict that what will happen when these people will tell the monitoring bench that evidence couldn't be obtained from some jurisdictions because we don't have agreements with them? Isn't it the responsibility of defendants to satisfy the bench rather than the bench announcing "benefit of the doubt goes to shareef family" as GCC countries has said they don't have the transaction level record and Panama says they can't share the details without an agreement between the countries?
I am lost somewhere seriously.. Unless someone comes with a valid justification of the verdict from 3 ??honorable?? judges, I won't be satisfied.
Here, this is the post i was refering too:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/panama-case-joint-investigation-team-probe.490645/page-2#post-9403495
Can you do me a favor?
Please go through this entire thread, but with a cool and level head please. We cannot afford our sensible people to lose control on this one. Just do this as a favor to me, take a deep long breath, get any and all ideas and judgements you have about the verdict in your mind and go through the thread, it is just 50 odd posts long. Read what i am trying to say about the verdict here and please do share you views after you have read all posts and all posts by me on this thread. I think you will understand the point and we can then try and build on that.
Let me go throw the entire thread again, and all your posts as well..
BTW, before even you mentioned, I have written my response with a cool head.. I am getting normal every passing day, in shaa Allah will feel better in 2-3 days time.. lolll
