PakPositivism: How to manage Discourse for PakPosters on PDF!!!

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Thanks bro - we now have a group of us agreeing their intent and the forum needs diverse views - however there should be zero tolerance towards abuse snide and trolling remarks defaming the nation of our fathers.
Appreciate the change of mind

We ourselves will cause this paradigm shift. We will be the change we want for ourselves, our people and nation.

 

[peagle]

Oye Putar Pakistan dae! Cha gaya, cha gaya [ Where is PaaJee @SIPRA ]

Now that your patience gave in... and you just spilled the beans...on the IndianEndGame ... may I suggest to Expand the Scope of this Quest of Diagnostics of Artifical GeoConstruct by the Imperial Enterprise.... @masterchief_mirza @peagle

@vi-va IronBrohter mine, do you have Data points about the Artificial entity and its TroubleMaking in China's Tibet... many PakPosters can provide the year-on-year Nefarious Activities of this ImperialTool ...but would be good if Our IronBrothers do that @serenity

@Ace of Spades you are absolutely correct!

A Strong, Stable and Prosperous Pakistan is Mortal Threat to the Artificial GeoConstruct as the NetValue of this GeoConstruct just goes down the drain... kinda internal combustion...spontaneous.

As you know I have brought to your attention before:

1. To Keep Pakistan Down (from the very beginning till the Hybridwar or IndianTerrorism of today)

1. To Keep China Out (from 1950s to paper annexation of IoJK and expanding facilities in IndianOccupied Ladakh against China and Quading...till today)

Pakistan is a Firewall against this GeoConstruct.

CPEC is not just a road or some SEZs... it is Reverse of what the Imperial Enterprise GeoConstructed the Artificial edifice... Anti-Thesis!

The Scope needs broaderning... The End Game of the IndianState!?

Mangus

I've given my contribution but I've not seen reactive feedback on the issues I pointed out, lot of lazy repetitive comments, so I feel my part is done, I have a feeling I've given people food for thought, but they have not comprehended it fully, except you and mastersahib, maybe few others that I don't know yet. A new approach takes time to absorb and I'm happy that it's opened new lines of thought in people who've read it.

One issue you've raised about which I have totally different take, CPEC.
It is indeed transformational for Pakistan, but I don't think it is for the reasons generally reported and generally accepted, everyone including the academics are being lazy. As it's a different topic I will leave it for another time.

One thing I will say, with regards to Pakistan, China is not creating a backroad on which to take its containers. I strongly believe China recognizes the need for a strong ally that can back it up when required, a strong partner, and CPEC is an avenue to achieve that goal. But they will not spoonfeed us, we have to grab the opportunity. Our strength has to come from within, not outside, never outside.

No man is an island, that also applies to countries. America is powerful, but that power is magnified by its alliances, it has applied to every power through history. The only country China has been able to rely on through its modern history is Pakistan, Pakistan is a giant, and growing fast, 5th largest country in the world, soon largest Muslim country in the world, that matters.

The only people who don't see that is ourselves, the world is waiting for Pakistan to wake up. Too much evidence. I remember seeing Obama telling Indians in India that Pakistan is a large country, poor guys went quiet as it was not the answer they were expecting. lol, I wish I was there.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

I've given my contribution but I've not seen reactive feedback on the issues I pointed out, lot of lazy repetitive comments, so I feel my part is done, I have a feeling I've given people food for thought, but they have not comprehended it fully, except you and mastersahib, maybe few others that I don't know yet. A new approach takes time to absorb and I'm happy that it's opened new lines of thought in people who've read it.

One issue you've raised about which I have totally different take, CPEC.
It is indeed transformational for Pakistan, but I don't think it is for the reasons generally reported and generally accepted, everyone including the academics are being lazy. As it's a different topic I will leave it for another time.

One thing I will say, with regards to Pakistan, China is not creating a backroad on which to take its containers. I strongly believe China recognizes the need for a strong ally that can back it up when required, a strong partner, and CPEC is an avenue to achieve that goal. But they will not spoonfeed us, we have to grab the opportunity. Our strength has to come from within, not outside, never outside.

No man is an island, that also applies to countries. America is powerful, but that power is magnified by its alliances, it has applied to every power through history. The only country China has been able to rely on through its modern history is Pakistan, Pakistan is a giant, and growing fast, 5th largest country in the world, soon largest Muslim country in the world, that matters.

The only people who don't see that is ourselves, the world is waiting for Pakistan to wake up. Too much evidence. I remember seeing Obama telling Indians in India that Pakistan is a large country, poor guys went quiet as it was not the answer they were expecting. lol, I wish I was there.

Ah PakBrother mine,

Why so quickly Accelerate towards the Awakening of The Hearland?

I had intentionally kept the very subject you have correctly elaborated... for the due course.. thought the process will evolve... However, We Paks, We with OurBiggestHeart....

Perhaps, we have slowly established The EndGame of the Artificial GeoCosntruct of the Imperial Enterprise.... contours... since, the GeoConstruct has one last role to play.

CPEC is a Framework ... your truly has written enough about it... unfolding slowly.

AfroPak/AfroAsianOcean is also part of The Greatest Game ...

True none is an Island... though we should, as PakState, start looking at AfroPak/AfroAsianOcean as a Maritime PakNation.. it change the entire Perspective. All in good time.

Indeed, the Essence of PakPositivism begins within us, Paks, first... and then it can become Our CollectiveSubconcious...it is a process.

The Heartland shall remain The Heartland... because, in this new Cycle Pakistan is a MinorActor of History.

But we shall expand on it in the dedicated thread.

I do value your thoughts and balanced, nuance approach. I second it.

Afterall, we are eachother's Strength. Itihad. Iman. Tanzeem.

If we look carefully The Two Nation Fact is still unfolding... it is more like a continous 1000yrs Old War of Civilisations... and its ongoing....

Toheed.

You have yourself a good evening.

Mangus

 

[Joe Shearer]

I've noticed the quality of discussion has improved a lot on those military threads and I don't feel my contribution will add anything

Why this diffidence? The real difference in the quality of discussion is due to two individuals, and the rest of us are just part of the supporting cast, BUT look at the contributions that one of the supporting cast, <meghdut>, has been making. Please join those threads; you will be welcome.

I have experienced a lot of "hidden hatred" from Indians, that's most Indians I have met, I can give you examples galore, not to renew our previous discussion, but I only mention that as I know how these guys feel. The only difference is they have reached a different conclusion than me or people like me.

Now that we have taken notice of the black spot on the huge white canvas, is it possible that you will, perhaps expanding on your very next paragraph, tell us about the white expanse that everybody ignores?

 

[peagle]

Why this diffidence? The real difference in the quality of discussion is due to two individuals, and the rest of us are just part of the supporting cast, BUT look at the contributions that one of the supporting cast, <meghdut>, has been making. Please join those threads; you will be welcome.



Now that we have taken notice of the black spot on the huge white canvas, is it possible that you will, perhaps expanding on your very next paragraph, tell us about the white expanse that everybody ignores?

I will try to, thank you

Stay blessed.

Why this diffidence? The real difference in the quality of discussion is due to two individuals, and the rest of us are just part of the supporting cast, BUT look at the contributions that one of the supporting cast, <meghdut>, has been making. Please join those threads; you will be welcome.



Now that we have taken notice of the black spot on the huge white canvas, is it possible that you will, perhaps expanding on your very next paragraph, tell us about the white expanse that everybody ignores?

Sorry, I'm not clear, Do you mean the hidden hatred?

 

[Joe Shearer]

I will try to, thank you

Stay blessed.



Sorry, I'm not clear, Do you mean the hidden hatred?

Yes.

Is that all you encountered? I am surprised.

I could understand and rationally analyse condescension. Many of the Indian temporary workers on work permits whom people meet are almost uniformly from the same background of social superiority in India. They are used to being the starting point of measurement of social valuation. When they travel abroad, they are faced with a shocking immersion in a society where they actually find they are somewhere at the bottom. That is when they seek desperately to reassure themselves by finding people whom they can legitimately consider beneath them. And that is where the trouble starts.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I've given my contribution but I've not seen reactive feedback on the issues I pointed out, lot of lazy repetitive comments, so I feel my part is done, I have a feeling I've given people food for thought, but they have not comprehended it fully, except you and mastersahib, maybe few others that I don't know yet. A new approach takes time to absorb and I'm happy that it's opened new lines of thought in people who've read it.

One issue you've raised about which I have totally different take, CPEC.
It is indeed transformational for Pakistan, but I don't think it is for the reasons generally reported and generally accepted, everyone including the academics are being lazy. As it's a different topic I will leave it for another time.

One thing I will say, with regards to Pakistan, China is not creating a backroad on which to take its containers. I strongly believe China recognizes the need for a strong ally that can back it up when required, a strong partner, and CPEC is an avenue to achieve that goal. But they will not spoonfeed us, we have to grab the opportunity. Our strength has to come from within, not outside, never outside.

No man is an island, that also applies to countries. America is powerful, but that power is magnified by its alliances, it has applied to every power through history. The only country China has been able to rely on through its modern history is Pakistan, Pakistan is a giant, and growing fast, 5th largest country in the world, soon largest Muslim country in the world, that matters.

The only people who don't see that is ourselves, the world is waiting for Pakistan to wake up. Too much evidence. I remember seeing Obama telling Indians in India that Pakistan is a large country, poor guys went quiet as it was not the answer they were expecting. lol, I wish I was there.

Excellent post and analysis with tremendous insight.

 

[peagle]

Yes.

Is that all you encountered? I am surprised.

There's a lot, and it is very common for Pakistanis, which Indians don't realize, it all comes together to make you think what the heck is this mindset.
I'm actually hesitant to write it in a public forum, knowing it may feed further drama and hate.

Let me think about it, and if you haven't replied, I'll assume you still want me to, and I will post it tomorrow morning, it's getting late here anyway.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

There's a lot, and it is very common for Pakistanis, which Indians don't realize, it all comes together to make you think what the heck is this mindset.
I'm actually hesitant to write it in a public forum, knowing it may feed further drama and hate.

Let me think about it, and if you haven't replied, I'll assume you still want me to, and I will post it tomorrow morning, it's getting late here anyway.

Can you take your off topic discussions to another thread? Thanks brother.

 

[Joe Shearer]

There's a lot, and it is very common for Pakistanis, which Indians don't realize, it all comes together to make you think what the heck is this mindset.
I'm actually hesitant to write it in a public forum, knowing it may feed further drama and hate.

Let me think about it, and if you haven't replied, I'll assume you still want me to, and I will post it tomorrow morning, it's getting late here anyway.

Do write.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I've given my contribution but I've not seen reactive feedback on the issues I pointed out, lot of lazy repetitive comments, so I feel my part is done, I have a feeling I've given people food for thought, but they have not comprehended it fully, except you and mastersahib, maybe few others that I don't know yet. A new approach takes time to absorb and I'm happy that it's opened new lines of thought in people who've read it.

One issue you've raised about which I have totally different take, CPEC.
It is indeed transformational for Pakistan, but I don't think it is for the reasons generally reported and generally accepted, everyone including the academics are being lazy. As it's a different topic I will leave it for another time.

One thing I will say, with regards to Pakistan, China is not creating a backroad on which to take its containers. I strongly believe China recognizes the need for a strong ally that can back it up when required, a strong partner, and CPEC is an avenue to achieve that goal. But they will not spoonfeed us, we have to grab the opportunity. Our strength has to come from within, not outside, never outside.

No man is an island, that also applies to countries. America is powerful, but that power is magnified by its alliances, it has applied to every power through history. The only country China has been able to rely on through its modern history is Pakistan, Pakistan is a giant, and growing fast, 5th largest country in the world, soon largest Muslim country in the world, that matters.

The only people who don't see that is ourselves, the world is waiting for Pakistan to wake up. Too much evidence. I remember seeing Obama telling Indians in India that Pakistan is a large country, poor guys went quiet as it was not the answer they were expecting. lol, I wish I was there.

The Sino-Islamic alliance is only going to get deeper and more powerful.

Pakistan's rise as a power will be coupled to China. Already Iran has joined up.

When Turkey joins the Sino-Islamic alliance, it will be the biggest game changer.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Off topic, but I had to reply to your excellent post.

If we look carefully The Two Nation Fact is still unfolding... it is more like a continous 1000yrs Old War of Civilisations... and its ongoing....

Toheed.

So this is my take.

Fatih Makkah was a monumental event in human history. It marked the death of idolatry as a worldview and foreshadowed the demise of the old world.

The light shone through the dark clouds and that light kept marching quickly across the ancient world. Old idols, temples, and superstitions fell, as if on their own to the sound of naara e takbeer.

Finally it reached our Holy Land, Ard e Pak, and the final fortress of Islam in the east was established in the IVC heartland and Afghan/Kashmir hills.

This Holy Land became the launch pad for numerous civilizing campaigns against the last bastion of Mushrikeen, the intellectual descendants of the Qureshi ones, who lost in Fatih Makkah.

Our ancestors unfortunately did not finish the job, became complacent with their wealth and comfortable lives. They compromised with the spiritual descendants of the Makkan mushrikeen.

When the tide turned, Nadir shah, Sikhs, Marathas, British devastated our homeland. As our back was broken, one after another, these invaders came and devastated us, finally the British came to dismantle our civilization and drown us in sorrow and regret, exemplified best by Bahadur Shah Zafar's life and shayri.

Somehow, during occupation, Muslims again recovered some form of a backbone and had the gall to demand Pakistan. The Indian Congress (progenitors of both Nehruists and Modi'ists) tried everything to stop Pakistan from forming, as they understood what it meant for them.

The massacres, the intimidation, the terrorist funding, genocides, and theft of East Punjab and half of Kashmir could not dissuade the Pakistanis.

The simple idea of a return to ancestral greatness, the example of Rasoolullah saws, and an Islamic state was too much to stamp down.

We paid our lives to live in a country free of these evil and vile creatures, who committed unmentionable crimes against our people in the killing fields of East Punjab, Jammu, and Kashmir.

Alhamdulilah, today Pakistan has found sure footing. This time we will finish the job.

The second Daulat Madani will compete the second Fatih Makkah (figuratively,) erasing the Mushrikeen as a political force from samawati wal ard.

@Hakikat ve Hikmet @Musings @Psychic @Morpheus @PAKISTANFOREVER @Verve

 

[El Sidd]

Some discussion on Page 19 and Page 20.

Then they whine about quality of the forum

 

[vi-va]

Oye Putar Pakistan dae! Cha gaya, cha gaya [ Where is PaaJee @SIPRA ]

Now that your patience gave in... and you just spilled the beans...on the IndianEndGame ... may I suggest to Expand the Scope of this Quest of Diagnostics of Artifical GeoConstruct by the Imperial Enterprise.... @masterchief_mirza @peagle

@vi-va IronBrohter mine, do you have Data points about the Artificial entity and its TroubleMaking in China's Tibet... many PakPosters can provide the year-on-year Nefarious Activities of this ImperialTool ...but would be good if Our IronBrothers do that @serenity

@Ace of Spades you are absolutely correct!

A Strong, Stable and Prosperous Pakistan is Mortal Threat to the Artificial GeoConstruct as the NetValue of this GeoConstruct just goes down the drain... kinda internal combustion...spontaneous.

As you know I have brought to your attention before:

1. To Keep Pakistan Down (from the very beginning till the Hybridwar or IndianTerrorism of today)

1. To Keep China Out (from 1950s to paper annexation of IoJK and expanding facilities in IndianOccupied Ladakh against China and Quading...till today)

Pakistan is a Firewall against this GeoConstruct.

CPEC is not just a road or some SEZs... it is Reverse of what the Imperial Enterprise GeoConstructed the Artificial edifice... Anti-Thesis!

The Scope needs broaderning... The End Game of the IndianState!?

Mangus

India elites need tension with Pakistan to achieve below goals I think

1. A potential collapse of Pakistan to open the door to West Asia and Central Asia. Otherwise India will be limited within South Asia. While South Asia is not a good place for great power, it at most support a regional power.
2. The tension itself is a glue of India as one piece state. Otherwise, the inner fighting will dominate day to day political narrative.
3. The tension with Muslim Pakistan will benefit Hindutva narrative, which legalize Muslim suppression within India.
4. The ultimate goal is Indianisation, which will exclude Muslim population and culture from India.
5. The transactional relationship with west, especially Israel, because Hinduta need west dominance of media.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

India elites need tension with Pakistan to achieve below goals I think

1. A potential collapse of Pakistan to open the door to West Asia and Central Asia. Otherwise India will be limited within South Asia. While South Asia is not a good place for great power, it at most support a regional power.
2. The tension itself is a glue of India as one piece state. Otherwise, the inner fighting will dominate day to day political narrative.
3. The tension with Muslim Pakistan will benefit Hindutva narrative, which legalize Muslim suppression within India.
4. The ultimate goal is Indianisation, which will exclude Muslim population and culture from India.
5. The transactional relationship with west, especially Israel, because Hinduta need west dominance of media.

Dear friend, great synopsis, you are right on point.

The Indian mindset is a suicidal one. These people think that walking over Pakistan will be a piece of cake, it will not. Did they not see what happened when Soviets came into Afghanistan?

Any misadventure into the Pakistan homeland will bring forward volunteers from all over the Muslim world to fight off an Indian invasion. It will be even more vicious than Afghan Jihad and will unite all Muslim countries, most notably Afghans, Iranians, Turks, and Arabs.

I am not even mentioning China. This scenario falls in the line of not only improbability, but downright fantasy.

However, and this is the most pertinent point, if India instigates a war with Pakistan and begins losing, then who will come to India's aid? I don't think there is anyone.

Both America and Israel do not want to be a target of Pakistan's, and the Muslim world's, ire. Then also there is China.

So India today is completely isolated. That is why they come on this forum and annoy us, it is some sick form of revenge.

 

[vi-va]

Dear friend, great synopsis, you are right on point.

The Indian mindset is a suicidal one. These people think that walking over Pakistan will be a piece of cake, it will not. Did they not see what happened when Soviets came into Afghanistan?

Any misadventure into the Pakistan homeland will bring forward volunteers from all over the Muslim world to fight off an Indian invasion. It will be even more vicious than Afghan Jihad and will unite all Muslim countries, most notably Afghans, Iranians, Turks, and Arabs.

I am not even mentioning China. This scenario falls in the line of not only improbability, but downright fantasy.

However, and this is the most pertinent point, if India instigates a war with Pakistan and begins losing, then who will come to India's aid? I don't think there is anyone.

Both America and Israel do not want to be a target of Pakistan's, and the Muslim world's, ire. Then also there is China.

So India today is completely isolated. That is why they come on this forum and annoy us, it is some sick form of revenge.