Pakistan's Nuclear Submarine Development | News and Discussions

[tony singh]

How will Pakistan finance the building of a nuclear submarine project when it can't find funds for the pipeline?

 

[kurup]

well the qinq class submarine is also known as poor mens ssbn

*about 5000tonnes displacement
*44-46 cruise missiles capacity
*4-6 slbm as well similar to older Russian golf class(but since we dont have slbm neither have any development slbm Program so we wont use slbm option but only slcm)

How many silos does Qing have ??

44 - 46 slcm ....that is a large no.

 

[dilpakistani]

Only time will unfold what's actually is in the mind of our navy planners but from a common man perspective it is hard to understand why on earth we need a nuclear submarine when we can easily raise a fleet of 5-6 nuclear attack capable subs in the cost of one nuclear submarine.... and if we can build nuclear propulsion system on our own what on earth our leaders are waiting for to make nuclear reactors for electricity....anyway... lets see

 

[Bratva]

How will Pakistan finance the building of a nuclear submarine project when it can't find funds for the pipeline?

Remeber how Pakistan made a nuclear bomb. After the fall of Dhaka, Pakistan economy was in shyte.. But we still managed to made a N-bomb. and it's a 5-8 year plan. 200 Mil/year is not difficult to set aside for a nuke sub. I don't why indians act so dumb sometimes. It's not like we are going to develop a nuke sub over night. It's a long shot. So funding is a moderate issue!

 

[Safriz]

How will Pakistan finance the building of a nuclear submarine project when it can't find funds for the pipeline?

Pakistan recently spent (and lost) 800 million dollars on erieye...

So the country isnt as poor as you think.
Funds are spent carefully and we being smaller,less aggressive country dont need as much spending as india.

 

[Safriz]

Only time will unfold what's actually is in the mind of our navy planners but from a common man perspective it is hard to understand why on earth we need a nuclear submarine when we can easily raise a fleet of 5-6 nuclear attack capable subs in the cost of one nuclear submarine.... and if we can build nuclear propulsion system on our own what on earth our leaders are waiting for to make nuclear reactors for electricity....anyway... lets see

Work on electricity generating reactors is already underway.

 

[v9s]

Saudi Arabia spent 800 million dollars on erieye...

Corrected

 

[Safriz]

I am high on crack cocain

Corrected......

 

[Armstrong]

Yaaraa can anyone briefly tell me what purpose would a Nuclear Submarine serve for Pakistan ?

 

[Safriz]

Yaaraa can anyone briefly tell me what purpose would a Nuclear Submarine serve for Pakistan ?

Counter act Indian navy?
Which is already too large for Pakistan to handle in a conflict...

Project Pakistan's Naval presence in the reagion?

Have a credible tactical strike capability without the need of developing big long range ballistic missiles.

 

[Armstrong]

Counter act Indian navy?
Which is already too large for Pakistan to handle in a conflict...

Project Pakistan's Naval presence in the reagion?

Have a credible tactical strike capability without the need of developing big long range ballistic missiles.

Yaraa wouldn't it make better sense to go instead for 3-4 Chinese Subs or build more Agostas or even going for a JV with China on building to the table what we know about the Agostas (due to the TOT) & what they know through their developments & aim for 4-5 subs made for the PN in the next 8 years or so. In the meantime we try coming up with a submarine launched version of the Babur that could be integrated onto our existing Agostas ?

I really don't understand what would an SSBN achieve for us ? Our existing boats if equipped with a sub launched version of the Babur can target any Indian city along or near the coast & has enough endurance to pull it off especially with the AIP.

 

[Safriz]

Grande Strategy ‹ › Home View web version Pakistan's Nuclear Submarine Project 20/2/2012 In late 2011 an internet rumor spread about Pakistan's development of nuclear submarines and in early 2012, we have heard major news networks in Pakistan announce the development of Pakistan's nuclear submarines "in 5-8 years". The earliest news of Pakistan's nuclear submarine project was in 2006 when General Musharraf announced that Pakistan now has the technology to build nuclear submarines. The first point to ponder is that Pakistan, unlike certain other countries, prefers to develop weapon systems quietly. If this kind of announcements are coming out, in all probability Pakistan already has a nuclear submarine, or at minimum critical components, well underway. The most critical component is the nuclear power plant, and the news thus points to the development of a miniature power plant. RUMINT suggests that Pakistan's nuclear submarine is likely to be based on the Qing Class Chinese SSK, which Pakistan is believed to receive 6 units of. Given the giant size of the Qing Class (5,000-6,000 tons), the submarine is ideally suited as the basis for a Pakistani SSN / SSBN. RUMINT also suggests that Pakistan is seeking a smaller sized nuclear sub that sacrifices speed for simplicity and ease of maintenance. The basic idea is that instead of hydraulic propulsion, the Pakistani subs will utilize an all-electric propulsion system that is charged by the nuclear power plant. Such an arrangement fits in perfectly for the following reasons: 1. Pakistani SSNs/SSBNs do not need to keep up with a carrier group or large-scale task force; They are likely to operate solo, making the loss of possibly 3-5 knots in speed less relevant. 2. The Qing Class (and other SSKs) already have a highly advanced electric propulsion system. The Pakistani nuclear submarine would thus
be a replacement of the diesel engine power generation with a nuclear power plant. 3. Electric propulsion has traditionally lagged behind hydraulic propulsion, but recent advances in the former has significantly reduced the gap in performance between the two. 4. Sets up future improvements in technology which are headed towards magnetohydrodynamic propulsion, saving on investment in hydraulic submarine propulsion which would have been a technological dead-end investment. Taking a closer look at the possible type of nuclear power plant to be utilized, it is likely to be a small pressurized light water reactor. Such a reactor would require some R&D given that Pakistan does not have much expertise in light water reactors, and because the need for miniaturization. However, given Chinese expertise and potential assistance, this should not prove to be a difficult challenge to overcome. Moreover, Pakistan has a highly qualified and competent nuclear establishment that should be able to meet the challenge, insh'Allah. Another potential help may have been the transfer of technology from France with the Agosta 90B submarine purchase. A number of key technologies were transferred including design and development skills and tools. Building of hulls and experience with Western subsystems, many of which are used in the French nuclear submarines would help the Pakistani SSN / SSBN, if it already has not found its way to the Chinese Qing Class. In sum, while India is preparing her first indigenous nuclear submarine, Pakistan is well underway in making an equivalent capability upgrade. While the time-frame given in the media is 5-8 years, it is very possible that Pakistan is capable of building and fielding such a submarine in 3-5 years. The timeline for building and deploying such a sub is mainly dependent on how quickly and successfully the Indian nuclear submarine program is able to field and operate a submarine. UPDATE 17/3/2012: Two rumors from Pervaiz Shamim:
1. The nuclear submarine project and the Qing Class are separate developments
2. There is a South American country, rumored to be Argentina that is interested in some form of partnership in the (nuclear submarine) project. Although I have a high regard for Brother Shamim, I think the first point is misinformation meant to shroud China's role and the extent of the Qing Class lineage. The second issue about Argentina is very speculative but is just possible. A more realistic partner would be Brazil. I would also throw in Turkey as a collaborator. Pakistan-Turkey- Brazil-Argentina (?) I think there is definitely loose collaboration on specific subsystems and technologies between at least the first three, if not Argentina. I do think that the Argentinians are taking a closer look at the JF-17. However, there is very little to go by in terms of Argentina-Pakistan relations, and far more in terms of Brazil-Pakistan, where collaboration has gone to the extent of transfer of technology and weapon systems such as the MAR-1s and MAA-1As, and is likely to include the A-Darter

 

[kurup]

Pakistan recently spent (and lost) 800 million dollars on erieye...

So the country isnt as poor as you think.
Funds are spent carefully and we being smaller,less aggressive country dont need as much spending as india.

You must be kidding.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

You must be kidding.

he wasnt kidding nor is anyone here......our top brass is in the conflict zones tending to an insurgency; not issuing ludicrous, unrealistic, hollow albeit troublesome statements like "surgical strikes" or "cold starts"

 

[KRAIT]

he wasnt kidding nor is anyone here......our top brass is in the conflict zones tending to an insurgency; not issuing ludicrous, unrealistic, hollow albeit troublesome statements like "surgical strikes" or "cold starts"

Then why are they quite on Karachi situation ? It is claiming more lives than in other insurgency hit areas.

I think practical solution should also be provided by these top brass. Urban areas are as important as rural and tribal ones.