JH 7 is a mere bomb truck, don't have true capabilities to defend itself in A 2 A engagements. If funds allow which perhaps are there Pak should go for any Chinese 4.5 th gen Jet or for Russian Su 35 if possible.
The main focus should be to get 5th Gen jet before IAF even to counter up graded IAF jets along with Rafaels and near future additions. PAF should not go for 10-20 Year plans at max 3-4 Years.
Sir,
I have been telling you guys to use your intelligence---but you kids don't---.
The israeli F16 that destroyed the Osirak Reactor had no missiles for self protection---.
It had no bullets for the canon---it had every accessory taken out that was not meant for flight---. It did not even have an ESCORT either---.
The only thing it had was the bombs and the large fuel tanks---and not even a FLY SWAT to kill a fly---.
It went in alone---no F16's or F15's to protect it---the JEW BOY flew in alone to destroy the Iraqi reactor---fearful he might have been---but a coward he was not---.
He knew he was on a one way ticket with a very little chance of coming back alive---.
You pakistani kids have NO LEARNING ability---I keep telling you guys and after sheer ignorance---you kids keep repeating the same things again and again---" the aircraft " has no protection---.
Yes---bombers---strike air craft go in without self protection weapons---if you did not know why even though I have been writing for 12 years on this board---because they are not allowed to defend themselves---t
heir only target and goal is to reach the target and drop the bombs and if possible come back---.
If they had self protection gear---that is what they would be doing---trying to protect themselves and forgetting the primary goal---.
It amazes me that when educated adults like you do not have the ability to grasp at a concept---listen and learn or have the ability to search and read---I feel pity for the illiterate and the young---.
Hopeless---totally hopeless---.
Thanks MK, very informative and educational.
Some thoughts came to mind. a2g ranges were always given for at optimal cruise.
With the JH-7A, I assume you wish to fly lo-lo-lo or at best lo-hi-lo, because the moment you get to a high profile you're going to give yourself away. Let's be generous and give the JH-7 "PG" a 4000 km ferry range and try to work ourself backwards from there.
If you are hitting the deck, there is no way you will obtain similar figures to optimal cruise. If you are carrying large standoff munitions, there is no way you are going to get optimal range.
You'd probably be somewhere at 25% to 35% of ferry range. I've no clue, I'm guessing. Which means for a truly Low flight profile, you won't make it to a "right hook" into Mumbai...
Now, if you can somehow manage to increase the range (let's say ferry for apples to apples comparison), to say 4500 km, then perhaps you'd be able to do it. But if you are range limited to that, IAF / IN would not need to protect themselves all the way to the Southern tip.
The other question which I am not technically competent to answer is what kind of flight profile can be alternated. Could instead of a lo-lo-lo profile one went for a High-low-high profile, then strike range would be significantly increased.
Another thing is we would need to leave some leeway for maneuver in the even of interception.
Interesting fact - the Tornado and JH-7A have almost the exact same ferry range.
Hi,
Now you must understand that those figures were for fighter aircraft---and not for bombers who do not have to jettison their tanks to launch their standoff weapons from 250 miles distance---.
With the invent of " standoff weapons " the term strike radius has to be re-defined "---because the aircraft does not use the same techniques as it did in the older bmobing type runs---.
Second thing is---the JH7A is able to carry 9000KG of ordinance---so two 1000---1100 KG missiles---and rest extra fuel tanks---no missiles---no machine gun / canon / no canon shells---nothing extra---.
A strike mission to Mumbai would be the same type as was on the Osirak reactor---. Just a bare bones aircraft with fuel and bombs---.
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And as for the low flight---if you had not read the first post---here it is---.
The JH7 is an as true a copy of the F111 ( the ultimate low flying bomber ) minus the swing wings---.
This aircraft is desinged for low flight from gitgo and so are the engines designed for the same task as well---.
Hi,
Bombers loiter time---!!!!! Loiter time is mainly related to the fighter aircraft---bombers normally don't circle around waiting to go in---.
Because once detected---they are an easy prey---.
Yara ji , Pakistan don't need long range bomber. Our defence policy is India centric and all there asset are with 2000 mile radius. JH7 is long range bomber ferrying around 4000 miles. Such plane require huge maintenance . And PAF has limited funds. If all relations goes well with US then look for more F16s and focus on JF17 development program.
Hi,
Let me share it with you as well---. When fighting a larger foe---your primary goal has to be able to target the farthest of enemies cities from you---if you cannot---you are doomed.
I had thought that educated pakistanis would have learnt that by now---.
The prime example in front of us is the usa---.
Why does the US wage wars on any and every nation that it can---because those nations cannot reach its shores and mainland cities---so it does not bother the US to go and kill anyone and everyone at its discretion in AFG---Iraq---Libya---Syria---Vietnam---south america---or 2nd WW germany and Japan.
Ferry range is empty weight plus the 3 fuel tanks---.
