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Pakistan's intelligence ready to split with CIA

The CIA was subjected to greater congressional control back in the late 1970s. Appointment of CIA inspector generals must be confirmed by and do report to Congress; this makes the IGs much stronger, they can't be dismissed on the whim of the CIA leadership so any CIA employee could squawk to the Intel Committee if he feels something is wrong inside the CIA itself. (ref: A Spy's Journey: A CIA Memoir, by Floyd Paseman.)

Sorry but i cant buy what you are selling .Working of CIA is like totall pure , it cant be and could never be. Does your blind hypocrycy in support of the wrong doings never cease to stop.None of the americans i come by are that much hardcore.CIA has been conducting black ops and the whole top slot in the intel comette either knows all about it or dosent. Any disgrunteled employee would either loose his job or get silinced once and for all. I can quote alot of examples , press releases. Corruption in CIA
 
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Sorry but i cant buy what you are selling -
I have no monetary interest in Paseman's book. I just think it is a good reference. His experience as a case officer was Europe and Southeast Asia before he later became one of the CIA's "barons".
 
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Well then before lecturing us, why don't you straighten yourself up since you guys are on the democratic and civilized nation path for hundreds of years now, shouldn't you guys be the role model for humanity ??

As i recall, the major bloodshed in the world since last few decades has been very much the doing of the US and its people, even the mess we are in now, is thanks to you and your successive govts.

So why not you guys get yourself in order before lecturing us and we will try to get ourselves in shape.

stop blaming others for your mistakes, who told you to support WOT, who told you support taliban regime in afganiastan , why did your government still supporting afgan taliban , some times war with barbarians is necessary to restore peace in the world

see what ever may be the mistake's of america , but America is still the no1 in economy, no1 in innovation. you cant say same about pakistan.
 
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stop blaming others for your mistakes, who told you to support WOT, who told you support taliban regime in afganiastan , why did your government still supporting afgan taliban , some times war with barbarians is necessary to restore peace in the world

see what ever may be the mistake's of america , but America is still the no1 in economy, no1 in innovation. you cant say same about pakistan.

read history before blaming us....................
 
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Information obtained from R.D had contacts on his mob which show some of the CIA opperatives within the goverment and other stranglers. (Close source) If R.D could have gone and killed those two men couldnt like that, the CIA have killed Benezir Bhutto? makes one wonder. cough*

Prepare for oil tanker burning. Oil supply is about to be put on halt. :pop:
 
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kick the blackwater cia operatives out, kick the agitators out.

but keep relations with the US.

if the us cannot or will not accept this position then pak are left with no option but to treat the cancer at its root, and that is with us/pak adventure
 
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Pakistan's intelligence ready to split with CIA
Not so soon. both cia and isi depend on each other.This story makes nice psy op for people and media.
 
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By KATHY GANNON and ADAM GOLDMAN, Associated Press Kathy Gannon And Adam Goldman, Associated Press – Wed Feb 23, 5:32 pm ET
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – Pakistan's ISI spy agency is ready to split with the CIA because of frustration over what it calls heavy-handed pressure and its anger over what it believes is a covert U.S. operation involving hundreds of contract spies, according to an internal document obtained by The Associated Press and interviews with U.S. and Pakistani officials.


Such a move could seriously damage the U.S war effort in Afghanistan, limit a program targeting al-Qaida insurgents along the Pakistan frontier, and restrict Washington's access to information in the nuclear-armed country.

According to a statement drafted by the ISI, supported by interviews with officials, an already-fragile relationship between the two agencies collapsed following the shooting death of two Pakistanis by Raymond Davis, a U.S. contracted spy who is in jail in Pakistan facing possible multiple murder charges.

"Post-incident conduct of the CIA has virtually put the partnership into question," said a media statement prepared by the ISI but never released. A copy was obtained this week by the AP.

The statement accused the CIA of using pressure tactics to free Davis.

"It is hard to predict if the relationship will ever reach the level at which it was prior to the Davis episode," the statement said. "The onus of not stalling this relationship between the two agencies now squarely lies on the CIA."

The ISI fears there are hundreds of CIA contracted spies operating in Pakistan without the knowledge of either the Pakistan government or the intelligence agency, a senior Pakistani intelligence official told the AP in an interview. He spoke only on condition he not be identified on grounds that exposure would compromise his security.

Pakistan intelligence had no idea who Davis was or what he was doing when he was arrested, the official said, adding that there are concerns about "how many more Raymond Davises are out there."

Davis was arrested Jan. 27 in Lahore after shooting two Pakistanis. A third Pakistani was killed by a U.S. Consulate vehicle coming to assist the American. Pakistan demanded the driver be handed over, but the AP has learned the two U.S. employees in the car now are in the United States.

Davis has pleaded self-defense, but the Lahore police upon completing their investigation said they would seek murder charges. The ISI official told the AP that Davis had contacts in the tribal regions and knew both the men he shot. He said the ISI is investigating the possibility that the encounter on the streets of Lahore stemmed from a meeting or from threats to Davis.

U.S. officials deny Davis had prior contact with the men before the incident, and CIA spokesman George Little said any problems between the two agencies will be sorted out.

"The CIA works closely with our Pakistani counterparts on a wide range of security challenges, including our common fight against al-Qaida and its terrorist allies," he said. "The agency's ties to ISI have been strong over the years, and when there are issues to sort out, we work through them. That's the sign of a healthy partnership."

The CIA repeatedly has tried to penetrate the ISI and learn more about Pakistan's nuclear program. The ISI has mounted its own operations to gather intelligence on the CIA's counterterrorism activities

The ISI is now scouring thousands of visas issued to U.S. employees in Pakistan. The ISI official said Davis' visa application contains bogus references and phone numbers. He said thousands of visas were issued to U.S. Embassy employees over the past five months following a government directive to the Pakistan Embassy in Washington to issue visas without the usual vetting by the interior ministry and the ISI. The same directive was issued to the Pakistan embassies in Britain and the United Arab Emirates, he said.

Within two days of receiving that directive, the Pakistani Embassy issued 400 visas and since then thousands more have been issued, said the ISI official. A Western diplomat in Pakistan agreed that a "floodgate" opened for U.S. Embassy employees requesting Pakistani visas.

The ISI official said his agency knows and works with "the bona fide CIA people in Pakistan" but is upset that the CIA would send others over behind its back. For now, he said, his agency is not talking with the CIA at any level, including the most senior.

To regain support and assistance, he said, "they have to start showing respect, not belittling us, not being belligerent to us, not treating us like we are their lackeys."

NATO and U.S. operations in Afghanistan could be adversely effected by a split between the ISI and the CIA. Washington complains bitterly about Pakistan's refusal to go after the Pakistani-headquartered Haqqani network, which is believed to be the strongest fighting force in Afghanistan and closely allied with al-Qaida.

The ISI official said Pakistan is fed up with Washington's complaints, and he accused the CIA of planting stories about ISI assistance to the Haqqani network.

Relations between the CIA and ISI have been on a downward slide since the name of the U.S. agency's station chief in Pakistan was leaked in a lawsuit accusing him of killing civilians in a drone strike.

Fearing for his safety, the CIA eventually pulled the station chief out of the country. ISI leaders balked at allegations that they outed the CIA top spy in their country. Former and current U..S. officials believe the station chief fell out of favor, but the Pakistanis say this is not the case

Those accusations and the naming of ISI chief Shujah Pasha in a civil lawsuit in the United States — filed by family members of victims of a November 2008 attack in Mumbai, India, by insurgents — started the downslide in relations, the ISI official said.

To help repair the crucial relationship, the CIA earlier this year dispatched a very senior officer to be the new station chief who was previously the head of the European Division, one of the most important jobs in the National Clandestine Service, the agency's spy arm.

The spy agencies have overcome lows before. During President George W. Bush's first term, the ISI became enraged after it shared intelligence with the United States, only to learn that the then-CIA station chief passed that information to the British. The incident caused a serious row, one that threatened the CIA's relationship with the ISI and deepened the levels of distrust between the two sides. At the time Pakistan almost threw the CIA station chief out of the country.

Pakistan's intelligence ready to split with CIA - Yahoo! News

No, I don't think so. This is just a hiccup which will pass. Maybe a glass of water will help. The advantages of being plugged into the American intelligence loop are too great for the Pakistanis to reject. Like the wise king Solomon once said, "This too shall pass.........". Of course, the Americans will be be more cautious and circumspect henceforth, but the party will go on.
 
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stop blaming others for your mistakes, who told you to support WOT, who told you support taliban regime in afganiastan , why did your government still supporting afgan taliban , some times war with barbarians is necessary to restore peace in the world

see what ever may be the mistake's of america , but America is still the no1 in economy, no1 in innovation. you cant say same about pakistan.

Well, what can we even expect from indians. You people are only good for sucking upto your white masters.

Quit licking the a$$es of others, and have a look at yourself first.
 
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Quit licking the a$$es of others, and have a look at yourself first.
Is this some sort of common saying among Pakistanis? If so, don't you think you need to worry about the plank in your eyes before criticizing others for the dust mote in theirs?
 
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Is this some sort of common saying among Pakistanis? If so, don't you think you need to worry about the plank in your eyes before criticizing others for the dust mote in theirs?

That's an insightful remark coming from a guy whose country sends countless spies all over the world, fights two wars, and yet can't find bin laden or fix health care.
 
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but bhi ................ gen pointed about some very noble personalities even in present government are on cia,s pay role....

Yes this is very true..:woot::cheesy:...and very soon insha-Allah they will be gunned down alongwith their evil masters to nip the evil in the bud for good...:)
 
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That's an insightful remark coming from a guy whose country sends countless spies all over the world, fights two wars, and yet can't find bin laden or fix health care.

Yes nobody can find Bin Laden cuz its their top secret(CIA) agent:woot::cheesy:...He has the special protection by CIA squad(disguised as mujahideen) so nobody can harm or kill him...:agree:
 
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That's an insightful remark coming from a guy whose country sends countless spies all over the world, fights two wars, and yet can't find bin laden or fix health care.
The famed nineteenth-century French commentator on U.S. affairs, Alexis de Tocqueville, remarked how small American domestic worries were compared to the real problems posed by a Europe dominated by tyrants.
 
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