Pakistan's Identity Crisis: Can it explain itself without India?

[magra]

don't do anything - smoke an ounce to it
chill out and relax

I dont do drugs. You are welcome to try your own concoction.

I only said it because this "indianess" is used for "greater India" shit y'all pull
So naturally of course countries from rest of the SC will have something to say

Till 1947, India meant the entire subcontinent.

 

[Maula Jatt]

I dont do drugs. You are welcome to try your own concoction.


Till 1947, India meant the entire subcontinent.

figure out a way to relax, chill when someone talks about this issue- I have seen this pattern with you
and I didn't even go too deep into this issue, I just mention it unlike multiple posters here
So I don't know why do you always quote me when literally multiple other posters say the same thing as me but actually go deep into this theory, issue whatever you wanna call it

Why don't you counter their arguments instead of one-liners with me?

 

[magra]

figure out a way to relax, chill when someone talks about this issue- I have seen this pattern with you
and I didn't even go too deep into this issue, I just mention it unlike multiple posters here
So I don't know why do you always quote me when literally multiple other posters say the same thing as me but actually go deep into this theory, issue whatever you wanna call it

Why don't you counter their arguments instead of one-liners with me?

I am chill. You are getting too emtional and writing paragraph length responses.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

@Maira La man my heart hurts seeing you burn in self-hatred and projection over it. stop it man. this attitude is what led to someone's brutal ***-kicking in Bangladesh. you don't need to indulge casteism, colourism to imagine yourself as white and engage in supremacism. it's okay. Pakistan is Pakistan. many countries in the world exist even though they're similar to their neighbours. they don't need to justify their existence with racism.
and the projection about India claiming Aryan or whatever and disliking dark colour is quite cringey when it's always you bringing up color and claiming foreign ancestry as something to be proud of. even Hindutava dislike this and claim all Indians have one orgin in India and don't use colour as any identification market. your rhetoric is worse than Hindutva.

 

[Maira La]

@AgnosticIndian you don't want Pakistanis and Afghans to identify separately from you tropical humans because of your in built racism and self hate.
Maybe you don't understand this because your tiny brain excels at fooling itself.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

@AgnosticIndian you don't want Pakistanis and Afghans to identify separately from you tropical humans because of your in built racism and self hate.
Maybe you don't understand this because your tiny brain excels at fooling itself.

why wouldn't I, and what can my not wanting lead to? much of KPK and Balochistan already identify seperately, and have been considered different from India since a long time. but all of Pakistan claiming no connection with India on the basis of that just seems ridiculous to me. Sindh and Punjab have always been considered part of India.
the colorist vitriol that comes with it is also just unfair to Urdu speaking migrants in Karachi and other places, and maybe the Quaid himself, who as far as I know was also from the same Gangu state the current Indian PM is from.

 

[Maira La]

Sindh and Punjab have always been considered part of India.

Hilarious. Sindh and Punjab are not PART of India. Sindh and Punjab are India/Indus.

You are the one who is attaching himself to other people's identity because of inferiority complex. You think ancient Punjabi warrior Porus is your Dad when in reality a little tropical Tamil or Telegu man gave birth to you. Talk about identity crisis!

 

[Rafi]

why wouldn't I, and what can my not wanting lead to? much of KPK and Balochistan already identify seperately, and have been considered different from India since a long time. but all of Pakistan claiming no connection with India on the basis of that just seems ridiculous to me. Sindh and Punjab have always been considered part of India.
the colorist vitriol that comes with it is also just unfair to Urdu speaking migrants in Karachi and other places, and maybe the Quaid himself, who as far as I know was also from the same Gangu state the current Indian PM is from.

It's been 70 years, 99% of people in Pakistan don't give a flying fck about India, besides national security and Kashmir, that's it India is never a big election issue. Pakistan national identity is a fact and Pakistani nationalism has spread nation wide.

 

[mudas777]

We have got money/dollars crisis not identity crisis. We are not confused kids of India or the Western world and know our forefathers so stop spreading this Indian filth.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

Hilarious. Sindh and Punjab are not PART of India. Sindh and Punjab are India/Indus

hmm? just Punjab and Sindh are India? North India is not India? Gujarat is not India? did Alexander's army not refuse to fight further into *India*, that is, the Gangetic plains?
try to maintain a narrative. either all of Sindh, Punjab, Gujarat and North India are one entity, known as India, or just Sindh and Punjab are seperate from the rest and are the *real* India. the latter theory is quite baseless and falls apart easily. everyone from Greeks to al-Baruni consider Sindh, Gujarat, Punjab and the rest of the subcontinent to be one entity, India.
and no, no Tamil and Telugu claims claims ancestory from distant parts, unlike some who have ancestors from all over Arabia to Central Asia.

 

[Maula Jatt]

hmm? just Punjab and Sindh are India? North India is not India? Gujarat is not India? did Alexander's army not refuse to fight further into *India*, that is, the Gangetic plains?
try to maintain a narrative. either all of Sindh, Punjab, Gujarat and North India are one entity, known as India, or just Sindh and Punjab are seperate from the rest and are the *real* India. the latter theory is quite baseless and falls apart easily. everyone from Greeks to al-Baruni consider Sindh, Gujarat, Punjab and the rest of the subcontinent to be one entity, India.
and no, no Tamil and Telugu claims claims ancestory from distant parts, unlike some who have ancestors from all over Arabia to Central Asia.

You can't though like logically speaking...
You didn't experience these migrations

Maybe part Arab or European ancestry can be claimed by some people

 

[AgnosticIndian]

You can't though like logically speaking...
You didn't experience these migrations

Maybe part Arab or European ancestry can be claimed by some people

that's right. it's not like South India doesn't have racism or colourism, but I doubt anyone here feels the need to "claim" anything. South India has great history on its own, the connection with India at-large is a matter of geography and historical fact, not of any specific ancestry of claims on any specific Northern figure or history.

 

[Maira La]

try to maintain a narrative. either all of Sindh, Punjab, Gujarat and North India are one entity, known as India, or just Sindh and Punjab are seperate from the rest and are the *real* India. the latter theory is quite baseless and falls apart easily. everyone from Greeks to al-Baruni consider Sindh, Gujarat, Punjab and the rest of the subcontinent to be one entity, India.

Sindhis and Punjabis don't need Greeks and al-Barunis and al-Columbus to figure out who is Indus. They know they are Indus.

You don't even know who you are. You need lost white men like Columbus to figure out your own identity.

Why are you ashamed of acknowledging your true identity? Do you even have an identity that is not about Indus river?

 

[PakFactor]

Sindhis and Punjabis don't need Greeks and al-Barunis and al-Columbus to figure out who is Indus. They know they are Indus.

You don't even know who you are. You need lost white men like Columbus to figure out your own identity.

Why are you ashamed of acknowledging your true identity? Do you even have an identity that is not about Indus river?

The only identity they can trace back to is the Nala that ran along side the Indus River.

 

[AgnosticIndian]

Sindhis and Punjabis don't need Greeks and al-Barunis and al-Columbus to figure out who is Indus. They know they are Indus.

sure, and until not very long ago they knew what India was. and I'm assuming you meant India, since Indus and India are obviously not synonyms. one is a river and the other is a name for an area beyond the river, an exonymn by those who lived West of the river. would any Sindhi or Punjabi have disputed that they're Indians along with the rest of the subcontinent before 1947?

Why are you ashamed of acknowledging your true identity? Do you even have an identity that is not about Indus river?

am I? I'm pretty certain I'm an Indian, first and foremost. aside from that I'm also a Kannadiga. the area I live in has Kaveri as the main river. rivers are quite significant for the people around it, but they're not a distinguishing or uniting feature. two states wouldn't have been fighting over river water if that were the case.