Pakistan's high court acquits Nawaz Sharif

[blain2]

Blain, answers are present in the detailed Jurisdiction for all the questions you have. PLEASE read the full Jurisdiction, and than discuss the issue. General Jahangir Karamat was not involved in Kargil-like misadventure and had nothing to fear about. On the other hand Musharraf and other two renegade Generals were playing a different game. Musharraf had even changed the command of the 111 Brigade with one of his loyal guy (whom he promoted to Maj. General soon after the successful coup) without bringing this into the notice of the PM. PM was aware from his own sources that Musharraf was planning to take over the Government in order to avoid a potential inquiry on Kargil misadventure. Hence it was not possible for the PM to call Musharraf into his office and ask for the resignation. Again, these details are present in the Jurisdiction, and please read it.

Yaar please lets not kid ourselves here. The Army chief does not have to tell the PM that he is moving around a Brigadier or two. That is under his purview and has nothing to do with the civilian leadership. Contrary to common perception, 111 bde is like any other bde of the PA. Postings to and from are an internal Army affair and the Army chief has the right to put people around that he trusts. That goes on with every chief. As far as linking the Kargil affair, on what basis was NS going to dump the blame on Musharraf? Nawaz's own choice for the CoAS General Ziauddin Butt is on the record in "Crossed Swords" where during an interview with the author, he told Shuja Nawaz categorically that the PM was in all of the key meetings and during one of the meetings he asked the participants to pray for the success of the operation.

You have suggested reading the jurisdiction multiple times. Has it ever occurred to you that just the same way you did not believe the initial judgment of the court declaring NS guilty, I have very little faith in what is in it because its mostly BS that is being put out solely to please the next PM of Pakistan.

This is our Pakistan. A corrupt official goes from being the greatest thief to become the most popular democratic leader of Punjab overnight and here you want me to trust what the court has recorded? I know you know better than this.

 

[blain2]

u r only buyin wat musharraf is most willin to sell...
there is no such thing as with us or against us. has US attacked iran so far? have they attacked NK so far despite all the threats? did they do anything against turkey when turkey denied them the use of their air bases for iraq war? now u ll say that 9/11 was different. yes it was but did we attack them?
its all about how u deal with pressure. y should i not say that musharraf is involved in killin of thousands of innocent muslims? atleast thats wat i know coz most of the taliban are still roamin around

Hindsight is perfect always. I wonder what your thoughts would have been right after 9/11 with all fingers (rightly or wrongly) pointed against you? Lets admit there was very little room to maneuver and an urgency to the response. Yes something a little better may have been worked out, but on the other hand, how much better? Is Pakistani history not a good place to look at to figure out how Pakistani leaders throughout have been unable to get concessions from the powers to be despite being is much less stressful situations?

All of the examples you give of Iran, NK and Turkey do not apply. None of those countries were the sole supporters of the Taliban (who hosted AQ in Afghanistan) at the time of the attack on the two towers. Iran and her proxies have not directly attacked the US, the same is the case with NK, however Pakistan was fairly or unfairly being looked upon as the supporter of the people who were suspected of the attacks. So comparing Pakistan's position to that of Iran, NK and Turkey is simply not an apples to apples or even a fruit to fruit comparison.

It would have been quite easy for Musharraf or any other leader in his place to simply tell the US to go to hell and then hide away in a shelter while Pakistani economy would have been chocked off along with active support to India to do what she wanted all under the flag of taking on the terrorists in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Pakistani nuclear capability would have been impacted along with constant violations of the Pakistani air space. Yes our reaction at that point would have been different, however those feeling responsible for all that could have come made the choices that are in front of you. I think its easy for all to say Musharraf short changed Pakistan, yet nobody has ever come up with a better response that Pakistan should have had at that time.

The entire Pakistani nation acquiesced when the decision was announced. Nobody came out on the streets to demonstrate the about turn in the Afghanistan policy. This is the reality of the times. The clearer we are, the better decisions we will make in the future. Lets not go about claiming that Musharraf did not deal with the pressure the right way. The pressure has categories and risks associated. When it comes to India, Musharraf has withstood quite a lot. When it comes to the US, as much as we may hate it, they hold a lot of strings. Had Pakistan's economic condition been better at that time then maybe we could have withstood more pressure, however we were as or more frail than today.

 

[qsaark]

Blain, I am urging you to go through the Jurisdiction because it has recorded everything. What NS claimed in his defence and what others said, what were the evidences etc and why the panel reached to the verdict. Jurisdiction is not one sided story, it never is. There are reasons why the SC did not uphold the earlier jurisdiction of the Sindh High Court. Anyway, if you dont want to read it, and want to rely only your instinct, and guesses and a single book written by Shuja Nawaz, this is your choice. But not going through the material yet criticizing it is something I can not understand. It is like I start reviewing Shuja Nawaz's book even though I have not yet read it.

 

[SSGPA1]

Here is some more drama about the 'hijacking' of the airplane. SSGPA1, you would take great interest in the blunderes made by the Musharraf & Co because the whole thing was fabricated. We say in Urdu, 'Jhoot key paaon nahin hotey'.

The full jurisdiction of the 'Hijacking Case' can be downloaded from here http://www.supremecourt.gov.pk/web/user_files/File/Crl.P.200of2009.pdf. Please go through it and than comment.

There is nothing new here. Why CJP waited for so many years??

This info was always available but CJP never took any action while he took action against traffic jam in Karachi but he never thought this was important.

Lets see what happens in the next few days, I see big changes happening at top.

 

[forcetrip]

This is only a propaganda in order to justify the unconstitutional actions of Musharraf. Musharraf ordered the pilot to lie to the control tower about the fuel. Even than, when Shahid Khaqan Abbasi told NS about the possibility of low fuel, (That dumbass forgot the plane runs on fuel?) the PM promptly ordered to let the plane land on Nawab Shah and later to Karachi Airport, re-fuel the pane, and take it to Masqat. If this all looks like a story, why the audio spools from the black box (that had recorded all the conversation between the pilot and the ATC) and the fuel log book was not presented in the court?Again all the details are present in the Jurisdiction, please read it. Dont just assume what happened, know it first hand by reading the jurisdiction.

Justice Choudhry was a shrewd guy. He took the oath under the PCO because he believed in “live today, fight tomorrow’. Could he have done what he did if he had taken the retirement like some of the other Justices? Basically Justice Choudhry out maneuvered General Musharraf.

Blain, answers are present in the detailed Jurisdiction for all the questions you have. PLEASE read the full Jurisdiction, and than discuss the issue.

You keep saying that!!! have you read Article 1 of COMMON SENSE? Reading the above thoughts you have on this matter I herby declare you to be in LALA land. The justice gathered all the traitors to this country and made some noise to further his career. It was a good post folks, good bye.

 

[Rafael]

chuadhary brothers?
its funny , when they were a part of "NAWAB BAD -MASH-SHARIF"(1988-1998), they were "ANGELS", but when , they accepted , former pakistan , PRESIDENT, (retd) GEN.perwaiz musharaf, they suddnly became, "devils"?
come on, try to put some sense, i hope you can do better thn tht!

When did I say they were angels? forget about chuadharies I have not even said that N.S is an angel. So either you are trying to put the words in my mouth or you havent read my post.

Actually its the other way around. When these chaudharries and several of other policticans were in the govt of N.S, they were all devils, corrupt and money suckers..but when they decided to get along with you beloved musharaff..all of their sins were washed in ganga

So much so even Zardari and BB became innocents when the General needed them!!


try to put some sense dude, I know you can do better!!!

 

[fatman17]

why are we surprised at this verdict !

the CJ is on a mission to de-stabilize the country in the guise of court activism !
under the circumstances, when the main issues in our country are terrorism/security, energy, inflation, jobs, water, health!

no one is paying/giving a hoot to these issues! but we want to make sure that NS gets acquitted, reopen the iqbal tikka case, cut the electricity of chak shehzad, suo motto notice everything under the sun for cheap popularity !!! in short the CJ wants to run the country!

i have no electricity in my area for 35 hours and counting! does anybody f---ing care!

 

[Rafael]

why are we surprised at this verdict !

the CJ is on a mission to de-stabilize the country in the guise of court activism !
under the circumstances, when the main issues in our country are terrorism/security, energy, inflation, jobs, water, health!

no one is paying/giving a hoot to these issues! but we want to make sure that NS gets acquitted, reopen the iqbal tikka case, cut the electricity of chak shehzad, suo motto notice everything under the sun for cheap popularity !!! in short the CJ wants to run the country!

i have no electricity in my area for 35 hours and counting! does anybody f---ing care!

I have hardly seen electricity for the last 3 days..But I still love my Pakistan

 

[fatman17]

I have hardly seen electricity for the last 3 days..But I still love my Pakistan

that is not the point !

 

[qsaark]

There is nothing new here. Why CJP waited for so many years??

This info was always available but CJP never took any action while he took action against traffic jam in Karachi but he never thought this was important.

Lets see what happens in the next few days, I see big changes happening at top.

Are you using your brain or not? It was NS who waited for obvious reasons, not the CJP. Do you even know that CJP did not hear this case? There should be limit of ignorance I must say, sorry for being blunt.

 

[qsaark]

You keep saying that!!! have you read Article 1 of COMMON SENSE? Reading the above thoughts you have on this matter I herby declare you to be in LALA land. The justice gathered all the traitors to this country and made some noise to further his career. It was a good post folks, good bye.

Have you read any article I of common sense that says know first, than talk. You dont have a clue what happened in the court room, you refuse to read the jurisdiction, yet you are vomiting solely based on your guess work. This is level of your denial. you are not replying to the point I have raised about the missin evidence like recording spools, fuel log books etc. Please take a crash course how to argue and take part in a debate.

 

[qsaark]

why are we surprised at this verdict !

the CJ is on a mission to de-stabilize the country in the guise of court activism !
under the circumstances, when the main issues in our country are terrorism/security, energy, inflation, jobs, water, health!

no one is paying/giving a hoot to these issues! but we want to make sure that NS gets acquitted, reopen the iqbal tikka case, cut the electricity of chak shehzad, suo motto notice everything under the sun for cheap popularity !!! in short the CJ wants to run the country!

i have no electricity in my area for 35 hours and counting! does anybody f---ing care!

Same for you Mr. Fatman. Did you bother to read the Jurisdiction? Are you aware of the reasons behind the verdict? This is not court activism; this was a verdict on a case of appeal, which by the way was not even heard by the CJP. CJP on a mission!

You don’t have electricity in your area, curse your ex-boss how wasted all his time in selling national assets, and recording the national development on the scales of number of mobile phones and number of cars. He did not bother to install even a single power generation unit during 8 years. This government is in office for only a year, you are expecting miracles from it? Do you have a clue how long it takes to build a power plant, less than a year you must think.

 

[SSGPA1]

Are you using your brain or not? It was NS who waited for obvious reasons, not the CJP. Do you even know that CJP did not hear this case? There should be limit of ignorance I must say, sorry for being blunt.

May be you should use the left side of your brain as well which may help you to understand what I stated in my comment

CJP can take suo motto action against everything except of this particular case. President Musharraf administrated the oath for CJP and may be CJP overlooked NS case

There are many cases which CJP reviewed where he was not part of the decision making.

This is a dirty game and CJP is now playing in the hands of NS & company after dancing to the tunes of former President Musharraf.

I still hope that CJP doesn't fail because so many Pakistanis have pinned their hopes on him.

If CJP can improve the pay and benefit structure of the judiciary then he will serve Pakistan the best!

Going thorugh cases quickly is a short term soultion but solving the financial issues of clerks and other officials of Judiciary is the long term solution.

FINCIAL LIBERATION OF JUDICIARY IS THE REAL LIBERATION OF JUDICIARY!

 

[dabong1]

The only hijacking to take place in history with no hijackers on the plane

 

[SSGPA1]

Have you read any article I of common sense that says know first, than talk. You dont have a clue what happened in the court room, you refuse to read the jurisdiction, yet you are vomiting solely based on your guess work. This is level of your denial. you are not replying to the point I have raised about the missin evidence like recording spools, fuel log books etc. Please take a crash course how to argue and take part in a debate.

All of this was missing from the last 10 years ... why didn't CJP take suo motto?

This is not hatred for CJP or admiration for Musharaf rather this is a matter of principal ... Now that CJP has acquitted NS, my hope is that political decisions would end and CJP will work on improving judiciary.