Pakistan's high court acquits Nawaz Sharif

[qsaark]

CJP can take suo motto action against everything except of this particular case. President Musharraf administrated the oath for CJP and may be CJP overlooked NS case

Clearly shows how ignorant you are about the judicial system. Suo moto actions are not taken on the cases where the lower courts have already given their verdicts. It is the responsibility of the person acquitted to go to the higher courts (applet courts) and file an appeal if he is not satisfied with the verdict of the lower courts.

You have nothing in defense of your beloved dictator. You have answered none of the questions I raised in my previous posts.

 

[SSGPA1]

Clearly shows how ignorant you are about the judicial system. Suo moto actions are not taken on the cases where the lower courts have already given their verdicts. It is the responsibility of the person acquitted to go to the higher courts (applet courts) and file an appeal if he is not satisfied with the verdict of the lower courts.

You have nothing in defense of your beloved dictator. You have answered none of the questions I raised in my previous posts.

No sir, CJP can take suo motto on any verdict or pending case. Please see article 184 (3):

Without prejudice to the provisions of Article 199, the Supreme Court shall, if it considers that a question of public importance with reference to the enforcement of any of the Fundamental Rights conferred by Chapter I of Part II is involved have the power to make an order of the nature mentioned in the said Article.

This article allows CJP to take action on matters of public importance.

NS was the PM (elected with the help of ISI) then he signed a deal to leave Pakistan so it is a matter of public interest.

 

[qsaark]

No sir, CJP can take suo motto on any verdict or pending case. Please see article 184 (3):

Without prejudice to the provisions of Article 199, the Supreme Court shall, if it considers that a question of public importance with reference to the enforcement of any of the Fundamental Rights conferred by Chapter I of Part II is involved have the power to make an order of the nature mentioned in the said Article.

This article allows CJP to take action on matters of public importance.

NS was the PM (elected with the help of ISI) then he signed a deal to leave Pakistan so it is a matter of public interest.

I do not agree with your interpretation of this article. Are there examples where suo moto action has been taken by the CJP and the verdicts of the lower courts were over ruled? Quote the examples if you know of them.

Regarding ISI involvement....General Ehtesham Zameer (than DG ISI political wing) confessed that he rigged the 2001 elections under the direct orders of your beloved Musharraf. So the involvement of ISI is nothing new in the political matters of Pakistan. Come up something that your beloved dictator did better or different than his predecessors.

 

[SSGPA1]

I do not agree with your interpretation of this article. Are there examples where suo moto action has been taken by the CJP and the verdicts of the lower courts were over ruled? Quote the examples if you know of them..

No examples, but sure to find some, but decided not to waste time

Your choice to agree or disagree - I am just pointing out issues which will take Pakistan to further problems.

Come up something that your beloved dictator did better or different than his predecessors.

Gawader, Barak Gold deal, Peace in Dera Bugti, Peace in Karachi, Liberation of Media, Liberation of telecom, JF-17, Augusta 90-B, Local bodies to run cities and many others.

You should be happy as he gave you the current CJP ....

 

[qsaark]

No examples, but sure to find some, but decided not to waste time

Your choice.

Your choice to agree or disagree - I am just pointing out issues which will take Pakistan to further problems.

And I say this will change Pakistan for good.

Gawader, Barak Gold deal, Peace in Dera Bugti, Peace in Karachi, Liberation of Media, Liberation of telecom, JF-17, Augusta 90-B, Local bodies to run cities and many others.

I was referring to the military involvement in the political matters. At any rate following is how I see his ‘achievements’.

Gawader = Lead to Baloch uprising
Barak Gold deal = What is this?
Peace in Dera Bugti = Lead to uprising in the before peaceful Balochistan
Peace in Karachi = Two dozen people were killed by Musharraf-supported terrorist organization MQM
Liberation of Media = Geo News was banned
Liberation of telecom = This was good although public out cry on widespread corruption and pathetic services of PTCL can not be ignored.
JF-17 = Project was incepted and started in the time of BB/NS
Augusta 90-B = Project was incepted and started in the time of BB/NS
Local bodies to run cities = People are so tired up that they want the old commissionerate system back because of the rampant corruption
You should be happy as he gave you the current CJP = Initially he did but later on he had taken him away, it was the power of the people who brought him back.

 

[blain2]

Blain, I am urging you to go through the Jurisdiction because it has recorded everything. What NS claimed in his defence and what others said, what were the evidences etc and why the panel reached to the verdict. Jurisdiction is not one sided story, it never is. There are reasons why the SC did not uphold the earlier jurisdiction of the Sindh High Court. Anyway, if you dont want to read it, and want to rely only your instinct, and guesses and a single book written by Shuja Nawaz, this is your choice. But not going through the material yet criticizing it is something I can not understand. It is like I start reviewing Shuja Nawaz's book even though I have not yet read it.

I would be an ignoramus to not read it and argue with you over it. I read through it and stand by my earlier point that this affair is one of going with the wind. The bench itself is comprised of many of the judges that obviously were shut out by Musharraf. So impartiality is in question (even when the CJP sat out).

This case should have been taken up after the retirement of these members of the bench because there is way too much controversy over the current composition. There are inherent biases here at play which regardless of all the denials cannot be ignored.

 

[blain2]

Same for you Mr. Fatman. Did you bother to read the Jurisdiction? Are you aware of the reasons behind the verdict? This is not court activism; this was a verdict on a case of appeal, which by the way was not even heard by the CJP. CJP on a mission!

Its just a jurisdiction of a bench. How many others have we seen that have been believed or not changed later on? You keep on waving the jurisdiction as if its the Holy Quran itself. Read my problem with this jurisdiction in the above post. There are biases that you cannot deny. Arguments will be given weight tainted with this bias.

 

[blain2]

I do not agree with your interpretation of this article. Are there examples where suo moto action has been taken by the CJP and the verdicts of the lower courts were over ruled? Quote the examples if you know of them.

Regarding ISI involvement....General Ehtesham Zameer (than DG ISI political wing) confessed that he rigged the 2001 elections under the direct orders of your beloved Musharraf. So the involvement of ISI is nothing new in the political matters of Pakistan. Come up something that your beloved dictator did better or different than his predecessors.

Why all the pun with statements like "your beloved dictator"? I thought it was discussed and agreed that such titles would be left out.

 

[blain2]

The only hijacking to take place in history with no hijackers on the plane

So going by this logic, all of the masterminds behind suicide bombings should also be let off since they are never involved in the actual bombing itself. Being the PM of the country and asking officials to take certain actions on his behalf automatically invokes a certain responsibility.

The rest of it has already been discussed in this thread.

 

[fatman17]

You don’t have electricity in your area, curse your ex-boss

Ha! shows how much you know!

 

[qsaark]

I would be an ignoramus to not read it and argue with you over it. I read through it and stand by my earlier point that this affair is one of going with the wind. The bench itself is comprised of many of the judges that obviously were shut out by Musharraf. So impartiality is in question (even if the CJP sits out).

This case should have been taken up after the retirement of these members of the bench because there is way too much controversy over the current composition. There are inherent biases here at play which regardless of all the denials cannot be ignored.

Its just a jurisdiction of a bench. How many others have we seen that have been believed or not changed later on? You keep on waving the jurisdiction as if its the Holy Quran itself. Read my problem with this jurisdiction in the above post. There are biases that you cannot deny. Arguments will be given weight tainted with this bias.

I agree with you, you have valid points. But with all possible partiality, the Jurisdiction gives the reason on which the Bench reached to this verdict. If you have read the jurisdiction, do you find loopholes where court pointed out lack of evidence? The whole story revolves around the fuel and endangering the lives of the passengers, than why the fuel log book was not presented? Why the FIR was filed after a whole one month? Where are the audio spools of the black box? Who removed the equipments off the airplane and kept them without any record? We should discuss the evidence or lack of it, than if the evidence was presented yet the Bench showed partiality, than we can put the blame on the bench.

 

[qsaark]

Why all the pun with statements like "your beloved dictator"? I thought it was discussed and agreed that such titles would be left out.

I don't remember the use of the word 'dictator' was ever banned it was the use of abusive words. Dictator is an abusive word? If you dont like it, I'll not use it.

 

[SSGPA1]

Gawader = Lead to Baloch uprising.

We have waited for this to happen since 1970s and Baloch uprising was and is getting extra hype from media. In 2008 elections, PML-Q won majority of seats in Balochistan.

Barak Gold deal = What is this?.

Pakistan has gold and copper but then again because of Bugti we were not able to get the gold out. Barak Gold is the largets Gold mining company in the world and they agreed to dig Gold in Pakistan.

Peace in Dera Bugti = Lead to uprising in the before peaceful Balochistan.

We can't look at the entire Balochistan from Bugti's eyes. Uprising was always in for the saradrs.

Peace in Karachi = Two dozen people were killed by Musharraf-supported terrorist organization MQM.

Agree but that terrorist org got re-elected again, tehy were always like that. Compare the sad toll of 2 dozens to the toll in the past regimes.

Liberation of Media = Geo News was banned.

Thank God they were banned. On a serious note, one incident can't be used to over look the acomplishment over all.

Liberation of telecom = This was good although public out cry on widespread corruption and pathetic services of PTCL can not be ignored..

Corruption is in all sectors of Pakistan so again this common problem should not be used to over look the business achievement.

JF-17 = Project was incepted and started in the time of BB/NS
Augusta 90-B = Project was incepted and started in the time of BB/NS ..

Both were started but never went ahead because of lack of funds and pressure from US. Imagine when billions were moved out due to corruption, we didn't have $500 million to invest in JF-17.

Credit must go to Musharraf regime for withstanding the US pressure and making the funds available.

Local bodies to run cities = People are so tired up that they want the old commissionerate system back because of the rampant corruption .

Not sure about that but even if people are tired keep in mind that this a trial and error system. All major democracies have powerful mayors and if Pakistan want true democracy then Local body is a must. Problem is that our saradrs, wadaras and chaudaries don't want any power for the people.

You should be happy as he gave you the current CJP = Initially he did but later on he had taken him away, it was the power of the people who brought him back.

But you must agree with his choice He was suppose to be part of the team but CJP had other designs lets hope can deliver.

 

[blain2]

I agree with you, you have valid points. But with all possible partiality, the Jurisdiction gives the reason on which the Bench reached to this verdict. If you have read the jurisdiction, do you find loopholes where court pointed out lack of evidence? The whole story revolves around the fuel and endangering the lives of the passengers, than why the fuel log book was not presented? Why the FIR was filed after a whole one month? Where are the audio spools of the black box? Who removed the equipments off the airplane and kept them without any record? We should discuss the evidence or lack of it, than if the evidence was presented yet the Bench showed partiality, than we can put the blame on the bench.

I am not sure who is hiding anything. All I know is that Musharraf is no longer ruling. So maybe the case would have been better served if it was taken up after all of the necessary evidence was acquired through whatever means necessary. I am sure nobody is putting roadblocks in defence of Musharraf.

In your Amreeka, a jury is thrown out just on the basis of any indirect bias shown toward or against the parties. Here we have a bench full of judges who obviously have been helped by the party petitioning (NS) against a judgment in favor of a party (Musharraf) that ousted most of them.

I don't know about you, however had I been kicked out of work for whatever reasons without a salary and govt housing for a while, I would have had a few things on my mind about the person responsible. Hardly a composition for a balanced and fair judgment. Maybe our SC bench is comprised of individuals who demonstrate "aala zareefi" and can keep their personal biases and feelings in check, however knowing human nature, I suspect that to be the case greatly.

 

[qsaark]

We have waited for this to happen ........... lets hope can deliver.

I dont know why I like you. Your views and mine are so different but I just cant hate you.