Pakistan’s Hand in the Rise of International Jihad-New York Times

[rockstar08]

that was a good thing no? it triggered the events that led to life as we know it do day.
the solar flare and demise of Dinosaurs may seem more applicable.

yeah its our Pride .. even Allah make ISI director before the mulk-ul-maut ..
and i am sure after the 4 arc angels will be killed , we will be seeing some demonstration of Indians and American out side Hashar , against ISI ..
are we responsible for Dinosaurs Extinction ? or this is dirty work by a meteor ?

Looks like Pakistan is finally coming on the right track....

whenever we see American/Indians/Europeans A$$ on fire against Pakistan, this mean we are on right track sir .

 

[WaLeEdK2]

yeah its our Pride .. even Allah make ISI director before the mulk-ul-maut ..
and i am sure after the 4 arc angels will be killed , we will be seeing some demonstration of Indians and American out side Hashar , against ISI ..
are we responsible for Dinosaurs Extinction ? or this is dirty work by a meteor ?



whenever we see American/Indians/Europeans A$$ on fire against Pakistan, this mean we are on right track sir .

They give ISI too much credit

 

[Jaanbaz]

or this is dirty work by a meteor ?

The meteor that destroyed dinosaurs was actually brainwashed in Pakistan. Jihadi Meteor.

 

[The Sandman]

oh come on when are they gonna put blame of boko haram on us i can't wait for it ^_^

 

[jaunty]

Than i would suggest you word that in your post, other people are not mind readers who can read your mind.

I expected a certain level of common sense from the readers, it is obvious that I wasn't talking about the whole human history. That was implied.

I don't need to convince anyone, its a simple fact that Musharraf threw the Afghan Taliban under the bus after 9/11 for USD. But than again, people have already formed their opinion based on B.S facts and refuse to admit what the reality is. Same people were arguing that the US could not win the war in Afghanistan because 5000 Haqqani fighters were hiding in Pakistan, so not surprised that these people are not convinced because Logic and Facts are alien to them.

You don't need to yet you are trying to, but not many people would buy your assertion that Pakistan has stopped its ties with Afghan Taliban. This article, for example has appeared in NYT, the leading newspaper in the US, not some Indian newspaper.

 

[VCheng]

It proves Pakistan had driven them out now all those countries from or two which these traveled, they are responsible for not stopping them NOT Pakistan.

Now THAT is a great point made.

 

[Musafir117]

We know which lobby working against Pakistan and we don't give a damn if it's NYT or India time whatever

 

[Loginwithfacebook]

Well, we are about to be blamed for extinction of dinosaurs. Makes me proud of ISI who won the battle against evil dinosaurs. Yayyy.....!

Remember how Mushy famously claimed that Osama died due to some kidney or liver failure several years before the OBL raid, and your another army general claimed of breaking the backbone of terrorism from the same very town where the OBL raid took place few months later.

It seems you killed the dinosaurs millions of years before the actual K-T event.

But then, the irony is, you people don't believe dinosaurs really existed, do you. (Adam and eve and stuff)

 

[Samlee]

Pakistan’s Hand in the Rise of International Jihad


By CARLOTTA GALLFEB. 6, 2016

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The funeral of Saeed Jawad Hossini, 29, who was killed in a Taliban suicide attack in Kabul in January.CreditShah Marai/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

• TUNIS — PRESIDENT ASHRAF GHANI of Afghanistan has warned in several recent interviews that unless peace talks with Pakistan and theTaliban produce results in the next few months, his country may not survive 2016. Afghanistan is barely standing, he says, after the Taliban onslaught last year, which led to the highest casualties among civilians and security forces since 2001.
  
  “How much worse will it get?” Mr. Ghani asked in a recent television interview. “It depends on how much regional cooperation we can secure, and how much international mediation and pressure can be exerted to create rules of the game between states.”
  
  What he means is it depends on how much international pressure can be brought to bear on Pakistan to cease its aggression.
  
  Critics of the Afghan leadership say it’s not Pakistan’s fault that its neighbor is falling apart. They point to the many internal failings of the Afghan government: political divisions, weak institutions, warlords and corruption.
  
  But experts have found a lot of evidence that Pakistan facilitated the Taliban offensive. The United States and China have been asking Pakistan to persuade the Taliban to make peace, but Afghanistan argues that Islamabad has done nothing to rein in the Taliban, and if anything has encouraged it to raise the stakes in hopes of gaining influence in any power-sharing agreement.
  
  This behavior is not just an issue for Afghanistan. Pakistan is intervening in a number of foreign conflicts. Its intelligence service has long acted as the manager of international mujahedeen forces, many of them Sunni extremists, and there is even speculation that it may have been involved in the rise of the Islamic State.
  
  The latest Taliban offensive began in 2014. United States and NATO forces were winding down their operations in Afghanistan and preparing to withdraw when Pakistan decided, after years of prevarication, to clear Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters from their sanctuary in Pakistan’s tribal area of North Waziristan.
  
  The operation was certainly a serious endeavor — Taliban bases, torture chambers and ammunition dumps were busted, town bazaars were razed and over one million civilians were displaced.
  
  But the militants were tipped off early, and hundreds escaped, tribesmen and Taliban fighters said. Many fled over the border to Afghanistan, just at the vulnerable moment when Afghanistan was assuming responsibility for its own security. Ninety foreign fighters with their families arrived in Paktika Province that summer, to the alarm of Afghan officials.
  
  Further along the border in Paktika Province, Taliban fighters occupied abandoned C.I.A. bases and outposts. A legislator from the region warned me that they would use the positions to project attacks deeper into Afghanistan and even up to Kabul. Some of the most devastating suicide bomb attacks occurred in that province in the months that followed.
  
  Meanwhile, in Pakistan, the Haqqani network, the most potent branch of the Taliban, moved from North Waziristan into the adjacent district of Kurram. From there it continues to enjoy safe haven and conduct its insurgency against American, international and Afghan targets.
  
  Pakistan regards Afghanistan as its backyard. Determined not to let its archrival, India, gain influence there, and to ensure that Afghanistan remains in the Sunni Islamist camp, Pakistan has used the Taliban selectively, promoting those who further its agenda and cracking down on those who don’t. The same goes for Al Qaeda and other foreign fighters.
  
  Even knowing this, it might come as a surprise that the region’s triumvirate of violent jihad is living openly in Pakistan.
  
  First, there’s Sirajuddin Haqqani, the leader of the Haqqani network, and second in command of the Taliban. He moves freely around Pakistan, and has even visited the Pakistani intelligence headquarters of the Afghan campaign in Rawalpindi.
  
  Then there is the new leader of the Taliban, Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour, who has openly assembled meetings of his military and leadership council near the Pakistani town of Quetta. Since he came to power last year, the Taliban has mounted some of its most ambitious offensives into Afghanistan, overrunning the northern town of Kunduz, and pushing to seize control of the opium-rich province of Helmand.
  
  Finally, Al Qaeda’s leader, Ayman al-Zawahri, enjoys sanctuary in Pakistan — one recent report placed him in the southwestern corner of Baluchistan. He has been working to establish training camps in southern Afghanistan. In October, it took United States Special Operations forces several days of fighting and airstrikes to clear those camps. American commanders say the group they were fighting was Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent, a new franchise announced by Mr. Zawahri that has claimed responsibility for the killings of bloggers and activists in Karachi and Bangladesh, among other attacks.
  
  Pakistan denies harboring the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and points out that it, too, is a victim of terrorism. But many analysts have detailed how the military has nurtured Islamist militant groups as an instrument to suppress nationalist movements, in particular among the Pashtun minority, at home and abroad.
  
  Perhaps most troubling, there are reports that Pakistan had a role in the rise of the Islamic State.
  
  Ahead of Pakistan’s 2014 operation in North Waziristan, scores, even hundreds, of foreign fighters left the tribal areas to fight against President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. Tribesmen and Taliban members from the area say fighters traveled to Quetta, and then flew to Qatar. There they received new passports and passage to Turkey, from where they could cross into Syria. Others traveled overland along well-worn smuggling routes from Pakistan through Iran and Iraq.
  
  The fighters arrived just in time to boost the sweeping offensive by ISIS into Iraq and the creation of the Islamic State in the summer of 2014.
  
  If these accounts are correct, Pakistan was cooperating with Qatar, and perhaps others, to move international Sunni jihadists (including 300 Pakistanis) from Pakistan’s tribal areas, where they were no longer needed, to new battlefields in Syria. It is just another reminder of Pakistan’s central involvement in creating and managing violent jihadist groups, one Pakistani politician, who spoke on the condition of anonymity when talking about intelligence affairs, told me.
  
  This has been going on for more than 30 years. In 1990, I shared a bus ride with young Chinese Uighurs, Muslims from China’s restive northwest, who had spent months training in Pakistani madrasas, including a brief foray into Afghanistan to get a taste of battle. They were returning home, furnished with brand-new Pakistani passports, a gift of citizenship often offered to those who join the jihad.
  
  Years later, just after Osama bin Laden was found and killed in Pakistan, I interviewed a guerrilla commander from the disputed region of Kashmir who had spent 15 years on the Pakistani military payroll, traveling to train and assist insurgents in Bosnia, Chechnya, Kashmir and Afghanistan.
  
  In 2012 I came across several cases where young clerics, fresh graduates from the Haqqania madrasa in Pakistan, returned to their home villages in Afghanistan, flush with cash, and set about running mosques and recruiting and organizing a band of Taliban followers.
  
  I visited that madrasa in 2013. It is the alma mater of the Afghan Taliban, where many of the leaders of the movement were trained. The clerics there remained adamant in their support for the Taliban. “It is a political fact that one day the Taliban will take power,” Syed Yousuf Shah, the madrasa spokesman, told me. “We are experts on the Taliban,” he said, and a majority of the Afghan people “still support them.”
  
  The madrasa, a longtime instrument of Pakistani intelligence, has been training people from the ethnic minorities of northern Afghanistan alongside its standard clientele of Pashtuns. The aim is still to win control of northern Afghanistan through these young graduates. From there they have their eyes on Central Asia and western China. Pakistani clerics are educating and radicalizing Chinese Uighurs as well, along with Central Asians from the former Soviet republics.
  
  No one has held Pakistan to account for this behavior. Why would Pakistan give it up now?
  
  Carlotta Gall is the author of “The Wrong Enemy: America in Afghanistan 2001-2014” and currently the North Africa correspondent for The New York Times
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/o...-in-the-rise-of-international-jihad.html?_r=0

NYT Can Keep Puking Like We Give A Damn

 

[Paksanity]

Remember how Mushy famously claimed that Osama died due to some kidney or liver failure several years before the OBL raid, and your another army general claimed of breaking the backbone of terrorism from the same very town where the OBL raid took place few months later.

It seems you killed the dinosaurs millions of years before the actual K-T event.

But then, the irony is, you people don't believe dinosaurs really existed, do you. (Adam and eve and stuff)

Now you will tells us what we believe and what we don't? Indian, right?

 

[Jackdaws]

Pakistan has had the worst kind of leadership on the planet except perhaps North Korea and some African states. They have been used by the Americans. They have been used by the Saudis. They have even been used by the Taliban. All for no rhyme or reason except for their own leaders to consolidate power. Neighbors have differences - they don't freaking go postal all the time. Whether the Pakistanis like it or not - they are of the same stock as Indians and the rest of South Asians. There is no lobby against you except yourself. It is not as if the entire world is plotting against the altruistic Shangri-La that Pakistan is. You need an Ataturk to pretty much stop the hate mongering and killing your own citizens and killing citizens in other countries including India. Dry up those blood soaked Saudi petro dollars, shut down the hate curriculum in those madrassas and open up to investment - whether it is from India, China or Mars. The rich Pakistani kids I've met overseas are invariably secular - going to American schools in their own country and then to universities abroad. When I ask them how come they don't study own curriculum - they have claimed it is rubbish. You can't build a nation by keeping 99% of the people ignorant and hateful and then the remaining 1% who have means wonder how Pakistan has a bad name.

 

[Musafir117]

Pakistan has had the worst kind of leadership on the planet except perhaps North Korea and some African states. They have been used by the Americans. They have been used by the Saudis. They have even been used by the Taliban. All for no rhyme or reason except for their own leaders to consolidate power. Neighbors have differences - they don't freaking go postal all the time. Whether the Pakistanis like it or not - they are of the same stock as Indians and the rest of South Asians. There is no lobby against you except yourself. It is not as if the entire world is plotting against the altruistic Shangri-La that Pakistan is. You need an Ataturk to pretty much stop the hate mongering and killing your own citizens and killing citizens in other countries including India. Dry up those blood soaked Saudi petro dollars, shut down the hate curriculum in those madrassas and open up to investment - whether it is from India, China or Mars. The rich Pakistani kids I've met overseas are invariably secular - going to American schools in their own country and then to universities abroad. When I ask them how come they don't study own curriculum - they have claimed it is rubbish. You can't build a nation by keeping 99% of the people ignorant and hateful and then the remaining 1% who have means wonder how Pakistan has a bad name.

Bla bla bla and finally you come on a Pakistani forum to post crap, and that what I mentioned in my last post that a lobby ( like you ) is busy and never miss a chance to defame Pakistan. Come up with some positive attribute if you really worry about us

 

[ebrahym]

So it doesn't make you a prominent muslim power as you claim. A power is someone that can influence either beliefs, habits or practises regionally or globally. Iran and KSA and the erstwhile Ottoman empire did. So they were the theological powers that your fellow citizen claimed in the previous post.



Multilateral engagement is new for you while we are used to it. Welcome to the realpolitik.



That depends on who plays the spoiler.

as for the muslim power it is clear I dont have to justify the influence of Pakistan on anyone as you can see even Turkey was looking up to PAK before kurdish terrorism started and Iraq also wants our support as our speaker national assembly has just met him a few days back as for influence it depends on the sect .... Pak has the most influential Ismaili community and also the Hazara though there is some trouble as for multilateral talks just so you know our relations with many anti-american countries were pretty good e.g CUBA and in current scenario look at Saudi-Iran conflict and for spoiler in in Indian ocean we will have to wait and see

 

[rockstar08]

The meteor that destroyed dinosaurs was actually brainwashed in Pakistan. Jihadi Meteor.

Muhtaram Black hole Jihadi is their Khalifa

 

[Raftaar]

Don't worry USA will do same to you. Right now USA is using India to counter China. The day USA will realize; efforts are futile, USA will abandon India. No matter what, USA wouldn't like to loose influence on Muslim World; particularly Pakistan.

But the critical difference is : india is not dependent on USA for economic aid or support nor r dey !
We get there weapons coz we pay fr em ! Simple .....
2ndly , new delhi blves in relationships of equals !