Pakistan’s Hand in the Rise of International Jihad-New York Times

[Tshering22]

Don't worry USA will do same to you. Right now USA is using India to counter China. The day USA will realize; efforts are futile, USA will abandon India. No matter what, USA wouldn't like to loose influence on Muslim World; particularly Pakistan.

Do you really think we care what they think? All we want is to do business with them. And we are doing it damn well. As long as they stay out of our interests, we are good to go. It is a matter of coincidence that our interests converge.

You misunderstand strategic partnership with jumping bandwagons.

If US makes you happy, then all good.

The Sunnis and Salafis have influence of Saudi Arabia, the Sufis that of Turkey and Shias that of Iran. What sect of your religion does Pakistan influence worldwide?

 

[Paksanity]

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Are U Sure ??? Still Proved which cannot save above list and Drone Attack Which killed 45,000 People ??? Which battle had Won ???

Ha ha ha.....oh man, you are hilarious! Can't you see ISI wiped the dinosaurs off the face of earth few million years ago?

 

[barbarosa]

Do you really think we care what they think? All we want is to do business with them. And we are doing it damn well. As long as they stay out of our interests, we are good to go. It is a matter of coincidence that our interests converge.

You misunderstand strategic partnership with jumping bandwagons.

If US makes you happy, then all good.

The Sunnis and Salafis have influence of Saudi Arabia, the Sufis that of Turkey and Shias that of Iran. What sect of your religion does Pakistan influence worldwide?

Please read my post.

 

[Tshering22]

George Washington had side in his first policy speech that USA will be have not friends and enemy permanently. The friends of today may be the enemy of tomorrow and the enemy of today may be the friend of tomorrow.
It is their ancient habit to convert friend in enemy and enemy in friend.

Well said, sir.

You are right. And this is how the world works.

WW1 Turks and Germans were allies.
WW2- Germany and Japan became allies.
Cold war- you were America's apple of the eye.
WOT: you are their enemy.

 

[barbarosa]

Well said, sir.

You are right. And this is how the world works.

WW1 Turks and Germans were allies.
WW2- Germany and Japan became allies.
Cold war- you were America's apple of the eye.
WOT: you are their enemy.

Yes but they are not our enemy, we are their enemy, you observed well that we were their allies not only during the cold war but also USSR Afghan war. Be care they have come once again in the shape of east India company. Is India their quail to prepare for the fight with China.

 

[Tshering22]

Yes but they are not our enemy, we are their enemy, you observed well that we were their allies not only during the cold war but also USSR Afghan war. Be care they have come once again in the shape of east India company. Is India their quail to prepare for the fight with China.

Our foreign policy has always been on a different tangent. While it is difficult for me to explain everything here, in a nutshell, we believe in strategic autonomy in our relations. Which means our relations with each country are strictly bilateral. Example, India-US ties are independent of India-Russia or India-Iran or India-China relations.

This is how we manage to juggle Israel, Saudi, Iran, Kuwait, Oman, Bahrain, Russia, Japan, China, Korea, Madagascar, Mozambique etc all types of opposite combinations and have good ties with all.

We have zero interest in solving others' fights through military alignment. If US wants to fight China, they can do it themselves. We have our own issues with that and have repeatedly held against this 'nexus' of countries united against China.

And that is how it works here.

 

[ebrahym]

Do you really think we care what they think? All we want is to do business with them. And we are doing it damn well. As long as they stay out of our interests, we are good to go. It is a matter of coincidence that our interests converge.

You misunderstand strategic partnership with jumping bandwagons.

If US makes you happy, then all good.

The Sunnis and Salafis have influence of Saudi Arabia, the Sufis that of Turkey and Shias that of Iran. What sect of your religion does Pakistan influence worldwide?

since we have population of all major sects which are influenced by countries like Iran and saudia so we get important not because of our influence but because we are under influence

India-US ties are independent of India-Russia

judging from current warming up of russia to PAK trust me hthey are not anymore

If US wants to fight China, they can do it themselves. We have our own issues with that and have repeatedly held against this 'nexus' of countries united against China.

not anymore brother you will see it coming days when all of indian ocean will be fussed up

 

[notorious_eagle]

I was obviously talking about modern nation states, not Roman empire, one needs common sense not history lessons to know it.

Than i would suggest you word that in your post, other people are not mind readers who can read your mind.

You would have a hard time convincing anyone.

I don't need to convince anyone, its a simple fact that Musharraf threw the Afghan Taliban under the bus after 9/11 for USD. But than again, people have already formed their opinion based on B.S facts and refuse to admit what the reality is. Same people were arguing that the US could not win the war in Afghanistan because 5000 Haqqani fighters were hiding in Pakistan, so not surprised that these people are not convinced because Logic and Facts are alien to them.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Seriously, what did I just read? NYtimes has become a tabliod paper. What next? Page 3 with topples cover girl? Yea do that, it will sell their paper more then bashing Pakistan.

 

[Candy]

no need to worry... its just a Pakistan phobia... even when everyone knows that India and America are supporting ISIS then why they are blaming Pakistan???

no need to worry... its just a Pakistan phobia... even when everyone knows that India and America are supporting ISIS then why they are blaming Pakistan???

 

[somebozo]

No one is buying NY times online suscriptions and these cheap tactics help them with sales..journalism needs to be stopped treating like a holy grail as this is the most crooked industry..countries should sue news papers for bad news.

 

[Spring Onion]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/o...-hand-in-the-rise-of-international-jihad.html


OPINION
SundayReview | NEWS ANALYSIS

Pakistan’s Hand in the Rise of International Jihad
By CARLOTTA GALLFEB. 6, 2016



Critics of the Afghan leadership say it’s not Pakistan’s fault that its neighbor is falling apart. They point to the many internal failings of the Afghan government: political divisions, weak institutions, warlords and corruption.

But experts have found a lot of evidence that Pakistan facilitated the Taliban offensive. The United States and China have been asking Pakistan to persuade the Taliban to make peace, but Afghanistan argues that Islamabad has done nothing to rein in the Taliban, and if anything has encouraged it to raise the stakes in hopes of gaining influence in any power-sharing agreement.

So why would Taliban agree just because Pakistan asks them to make peace without gaining any influence? Above all every Time Pakistan tried to bring Taliban to peace talks table writers like you rather your government and other such champions of intellectualism come up with blaming Pakistan for Good Taliban, Bad Taliban conspiracy theory.

So you even need Pakistan to persuade Taliban for peace talks?

This behavior is not just an issue for Afghanistan. Pakistan is intervening in a number of foreign conflicts. Its intelligence service has long acted as the manager of international mujahedeen forces, many of them Sunni extremists, and there is even speculation that it may have been involved in the rise of the Islamic State.

so you believe more in speculations than the facts that your government created ISIS

The operation was certainly a serious endeavor — Taliban bases, torture chambers and ammunition dumps were busted, town bazaars were razed and over one million civilians were displaced.

But the militants were tipped off early, and hundreds escaped, tribesmen and Taliban fighters said. Many fled over the border to Afghanistan, just at the vulnerable moment when Afghanistan was assuming responsibility for its own security. Ninety foreign fighters with their families arrived in Paktika Province that summer, to the alarm of Afghan officials.

It was the responsibility of Afghanistan to stop them from entering into Afghanistan as these terrorists were fleeing from Pakistan's operation.

Further along the border in Paktika Province, Taliban fighters occupied abandoned C.I.A. bases and outposts. A legislator from the region warned me that they would use the positions to project attacks deeper into Afghanistan and even up to Kabul. Some of the most devastating suicide bomb attacks occurred in that province in the months that followed.

So how it is Pakistan's fault? If Afghanistan is unable to mane own area rather a base and outposts how it is Pakistan's fault?

Meanwhile, in Pakistan, the Haqqani network, the most potent branch of the Taliban, moved from North Waziristan into the adjacent district of Kurram. From there it continues to enjoy safe haven and conduct its insurgency against American, international and Afghan targets.

Pakistan regards Afghanistan as its backyard. Determined not to let its archrival, India, gain influence there, and to ensure that Afghanistan remains in the Sunni Islamist camp, Pakistan has used the Taliban selectively, promoting those who further its agenda and cracking down on those who don’t. The same goes for Al Qaeda and other foreign fighters.

The attacks on Army Public School Peshawar, and on Bacha Khan University were planned and executed from Terrorists' safe heavens in Afghanistan so you don't have moral high ground to accuse Pakistan while at the same time sheltering terrorists against Pakistan.

Then there is the new leader of the Taliban, Mullah Akhtar Muhammad Mansour, who has openly assembled meetings of his military and leadership council near the Pakistani town of Quetta.

Since he came to power last year, the Taliban has mounted some of its most ambitious offensives into Afghanistan, overrunning the northern town of Kunduz, and pushing to seize control of the opium-rich province of Helmand.

Finally, Al Qaeda’s leader, Ayman al-Zawahri, enjoys sanctuary in Pakistan — one recent report placed him in the southwestern corner of Baluchistan. He has been working to establish training camps in southern Afghanistan. In October, it took United States Special Operations forces several days of fighting and airstrikes to clear those camps. American commanders say the group they were fighting was Al Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent, a new franchise announced by Mr. Zawahri that has claimed responsibility for the killings of bloggers and activists in Karachi and Bangladesh, among other attacks.

Pakistan denies harboring the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and points out that it, too, is a victim of terrorism. But many analysts have detailed how the military has nurtured Islamist militant groups as an instrument to suppress nationalist movements, in particular among the Pashtun minority, at home and abroad.

Perhaps most troubling, there are reports that Pakistan had a role in the rise of the Islamic State.

Both of them are responsible for killing of thousands of Pakistanis so we have no gains in harboring them rather our neighbours bordering Pakistan are supporting them against Pakistan including Afghanistan.

Ahead of Pakistan’s 2014 operation in North Waziristan, scores, even hundreds, of foreign fighters left the tribal areas to fight against President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. Tribesmen and Taliban members from the area say fighters traveled to Quetta, and then flew to Qatar. There they received new passports and passage to Turkey, from where they could cross into Syria. Others traveled overland along well-worn smuggling routes from Pakistan through Iran and Iraq

It proves Pakistan had driven them out now all those countries from or two which these traveled, they are responsible for not stopping them NOT Pakistan.

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If these accounts are correct,

Pakistan was cooperating with Qatar, and perhaps others, to move international Sunni jihadists (including 300 Pakistanis) from Pakistan’s tribal areas, where they were no longer needed, to new battlefields in Syria. It is just another reminder of Pakistan’s central involvement in creating and managing violent jihadist groups, one Pakistani politician, who spoke on the condition of anonymity when talking about intelligence affairs, told me.

So the writer is not sure of own speculations based on speculations of other so how can the author wants us to believe ?
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The madrasa, a longtime instrument of Pakistani intelligence, has been training people from the ethnic minorities of northern Afghanistan alongside its standard clientele of Pashtuns. The aim is still to win control of northern Afghanistan through these young graduates. From there they have their eyes on Central Asia and western China. Pakistani clerics are educating and radicalizing Chinese Uighurs as well, along with Central Asians from the former Soviet republics.

No one has held Pakistan to account for this behavior. Why would Pakistan give it up now?

Carlotta Gall is the author of “The Wrong Enemy: America in Afghanistan 2001-2014” and currently the North Africa correspondent for The New York Times.

A version of this news analysis appears in print on February 7, 2016, on page SR6 of the New York edition with the headline: Pakistan’s Hand in the Rise of International Jihad.

It was longtime instrument of ISI-CIA and even today your government does not fear supporting terror like ISIS when it suits her goals so why you think ISI won't repeat the CIA strategy ?

Anyway Pakistan needs more support for uprooting these terrorists. It cannot be done in a day and specially in a situation where you guys every now and then take a U-Turn.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

Looks like Pakistan is finally coming on the right track....

 

[Tshering22]

since we have population of all major sects which are influenced by countries like Iran and saudia so we get important not because of our influence but because we are under influence

So it doesn't make you a prominent muslim power as you claim. A power is someone that can influence either beliefs, habits or practises regionally or globally. Iran and KSA and the erstwhile Ottoman empire did. So they were the theological powers that your fellow citizen claimed in the previous post.

judging from current warming up of russia to PAK trust me hthey are not anymore

Multilateral engagement is new for you while we are used to it. Welcome to the realpolitik.

not anymore brother you will see it coming days when all of indian ocean will be fussed up

That depends on who plays the spoiler.

 

[A.M.]

Its an opinion piece which shouldn't be confused with a standard news story.

Whatever she said is her opinion and is completely retarded. Disappointed that the editors signed off on it.