Pakistan's Artillery Upgrade Discussions

[fatman17]

Land Platforms

China enhances PGZ-07 capability

Christopher F Foss, London - IHS Jane's International Defence Review

20 January 2017

The PGZ-07 twin 35 mm self-propelled anti-aircraft gun system has been upgraded with the installation of a new sensor pod. Source: Christopher F Foss

The PGZ-07 twin 35 mm self-propelled anti-aircraft gun (SPAAG) system currently in service with China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) has been upgraded with the addition of a new sensor pod.

The existing sensor pod is positioned above the tracking radar, which is mounted on the forward part of the turret, and includes a laser rangefinder to ensure that the target is within the effective range of the 35 mm cannon. The additional sensor pod is mounted to the right of the tracking radar.

The sensor pods contain a number of systems, including a charge-couple device (CCD) camera and a thermal imager, that enable the 35 mm cannon to be used in almost all weather conditions.

Furthermore, the pods can be used if electronic countermeasures are jamming the surveillance and tracking radars, or if adversaries are using anti-radiation missiles (ARM).

The 35 mm cannon used in the PGZ-07 are Chinese-manufactured versions of the Swiss Oerlikon (today Rheinmetall Air Defence) KDA, which are also used in the similar German Krauss-Maffei Wegmann Gepard twin 35 mm SPAAG.

Close-up of the tracking radar mounted on the forward part of the turret and showing two sensor pods; the new unit is on the left. (Christopher F Foss)

China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO) has confirmed that it now manufactures a complete family of 35 mm ammunition, including high-explosive incendiary (HEI), high-explosive incendiary - tracer (HEI-T) and semi armour-piercing high-explosive incendiary - tracer (SAPHEI-T) with all of these having a muzzle velocity of 1,175 m/s.

The latest NORINCO 35 mm round is the Programmable Time Fuze Pre-fragmented (PTFP), which has a muzzle velocity of 1,050 m/s; currently this cannot be fired by the PGZ-07. The PTFP is similar in concept to the Rheinmetall Air Defence Advanced Hit Efficiency and Destruction (AHEAD) 35 mm, which has been sold to a number of export customers for use with upgraded twin 35 mm GDF series towed anti-aircraft gun (AAG) systems.

The 35 mm PTFP projectile consists of more than 100 spin-stabilised tungsten sub-projectiles and has a time fuze that is programmed as the projectile passes through the muzzle coil, according to the exact velocity and target parameters.

 

[Zarvan]

Land Platforms

China enhances PGZ-07 capability

Christopher F Foss, London - IHS Jane's International Defence Review

20 January 2017

The PGZ-07 twin 35 mm self-propelled anti-aircraft gun system has been upgraded with the installation of a new sensor pod. Source: Christopher F Foss

The PGZ-07 twin 35 mm self-propelled anti-aircraft gun (SPAAG) system currently in service with China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) has been upgraded with the addition of a new sensor pod.

The existing sensor pod is positioned above the tracking radar, which is mounted on the forward part of the turret, and includes a laser rangefinder to ensure that the target is within the effective range of the 35 mm cannon. The additional sensor pod is mounted to the right of the tracking radar.

The sensor pods contain a number of systems, including a charge-couple device (CCD) camera and a thermal imager, that enable the 35 mm cannon to be used in almost all weather conditions.

Furthermore, the pods can be used if electronic countermeasures are jamming the surveillance and tracking radars, or if adversaries are using anti-radiation missiles (ARM).

The 35 mm cannon used in the PGZ-07 are Chinese-manufactured versions of the Swiss Oerlikon (today Rheinmetall Air Defence) KDA, which are also used in the similar German Krauss-Maffei Wegmann Gepard twin 35 mm SPAAG.

Close-up of the tracking radar mounted on the forward part of the turret and showing two sensor pods; the new unit is on the left. (Christopher F Foss)

China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO) has confirmed that it now manufactures a complete family of 35 mm ammunition, including high-explosive incendiary (HEI), high-explosive incendiary - tracer (HEI-T) and semi armour-piercing high-explosive incendiary - tracer (SAPHEI-T) with all of these having a muzzle velocity of 1,175 m/s.

The latest NORINCO 35 mm round is the Programmable Time Fuze Pre-fragmented (PTFP), which has a muzzle velocity of 1,050 m/s; currently this cannot be fired by the PGZ-07. The PTFP is similar in concept to the Rheinmetall Air Defence Advanced Hit Efficiency and Destruction (AHEAD) 35 mm, which has been sold to a number of export customers for use with upgraded twin 35 mm GDF series towed anti-aircraft gun (AAG) systems.

The 35 mm PTFP projectile consists of more than 100 spin-stabilised tungsten sub-projectiles and has a time fuze that is programmed as the projectile passes through the muzzle coil, according to the exact velocity and target parameters.

Which is the other system visible on side in first picture ???

 

[fatman17]

Which is the other system visible on side in first picture ???

SAM system perhaps HQ?

 

[fatman17]

The Beast M109 SPH

 

[Zarvan]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1333579040046413

 

[Inception-06]

This picture were not posted before in this originals ! They are old but gold because in the Kargil war our Artillery was very effective and deadly for the Indian infantry, bunkers and logistic lines........So enjoy this glorious images.


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Pakistan Artillery of Type-59 130 mm gun at Mushung (05.Jun.1999) during the Kargil War. Pakistani troops were able to bring down effective artillery fire on Indian positions through much of the conflict, since we commanded all heights.
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Ordnance QF 25-pounder guns in service with the Frontier Corps (P.O.F is still selling the rounds for this gun).

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@Sarge Read this page and check my posts about the Kargil war ! (you have to read at page 17 !

@DESERT FIGHTER @Xeric

A selam Brothers>

What are your experience as a gunner ?

Is it a standard in all Pakistani Artillery regiments to have 12.7mm AA Gun mounted on the Truck for self-protection or is this only a decesion made by local commander ? Because sometimes I miss the 12.7mm AA guns as a secondary weapon on Pakistani A.Trucks ! What is the official order and tactic ?


To install the 12.7mm on (Artillery) Trucks is soviet military doctrine/tactic from WW2 (a very effective tactic to protect the Artillery guns from air and ground threat):

some examples:
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Pakistani example with 12.7mm :
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@Sarge Thats also a amazing analyse from the past, check it, if you got time !



Unlike a tank or any other armored vehical, an artillery gun does not go into battle while it is still attached to a truck. The 12.7 is there for protection from air during move only. Once deployed, there are other measures which ofcourse will not be discussed. Any artillery unit or battery is authorized with a specific number of air defence weapons which may not be restricted to 12.7s only. So, just because you cant see a 12.7 mounted on every (Pakistani) gun-tower in the pictures that you see on the internet, it would not automatically imply that there is 'lack of funds,' corruption,' or 'lack of discipline' in the military per se.

 

[Signalian]

@Sarge Read this page and check my posts about the Kargil war ! (you have to read at page 17 !




@Sarge Thats also a amazing analyse from the past, check it, if you got time !



Unlike a tank or any other armored vehical, an artillery gun does not go into battle while it is still attached to a truck. The 12.7 is there for protection from air during move only. Once deployed, there are other measures which ofcourse will not be discussed. Any artillery unit or battery is authorized with a specific number of air defence weapons which may not be restricted to 12.7s only. So, just because you cant see a 12.7 mounted on every (Pakistani) gun-tower in the pictures that you see on the internet, it would not automatically imply that there is 'lack of funds,' corruption,' or 'lack of discipline' in the military per se.

yes sir

Your analysis is to the point and the 130mm's range is what makes it an effective weapon in mountains even though its not a howitzer.

please give me link of page also

 

[Inception-06]

yes sir

Your analysis is to the point and the 130mm's range is what makes it an effective weapon in mountains even though its not a howitzer.

please give me link of page also

Which Link Sir, everything is wirtten on page 17 ? Sorry maybe I misunderstood something.

 

[Signalian]

somewhere recently in Pakistan

 

[HRK]

somewhere recently in Pakistan
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which one .. ??
203mm ...??

 

[Signalian]

M-110 A2 Range 30km

31:15

which one .. ??
203mm ...??

yes...M-110, 203mm.

which one .. ??
203mm ...??

yes...M-110, 203mm.

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan should look for new Towed Artillery Guns we are good at SP and we are already testing Wheel Mounted Artillery systems to induct one and produce them in Pakistan so we need to focus on towed Artillery systems as well as getting at least 2 to 3 different kind of MRLS. Specially like the one used by USA that M270

 

[MystryMan]

Pakistan should look for new Towed Artillery Guns we are good at SP and we are already testing Wheel Mounted Artillery systems to induct one and produce them in Pakistan so we need to focus on towed Artillery systems as well as getting at least 2 to 3 different kind of MRLS. Specially like the one used by USA that M270

M270 were said to be part of EDA stocks offered to PA from Afghan theatre. I think it didn't materialized. May be someone knowledgeable can shed some light.

 

[fatman17]

M270 were said to be part of EDA stocks offered to PA from Afghan theatre. I think it didn't materialized. May be someone knowledgeable can shed some light.

No EDA from Afghanistan materialised due to poor relationship

 

[ghazi52]

M198 155mm towed Howitzer