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If it arrives before indian m777 with improvements then we are talking

NO ONE beats the Chinese in manufacturing, they are absolute beasts in it. I firmly believe it will be in out forces in the near future.

Might be like the A100 MLRS never hear anything and will see it in some exercise or 23rd March Parade lol.
 
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I have a strong feeling Pakistan is going to induct this Gun. I am hoping we get it with TOT and we also consider the towed 155 MM artillery gun which Denel company produces

Feeling comes from where
 
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Feeling comes from where
Denel Group is giving presentation about itself at one day at IDEAS and than on next day special seminar on this Artillery Gun and on top of that Pakistan is testing this Artillery Gun also so I think chances are high
 
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Denel Group is giving presentation about itself at one day at IDEAS and than on next day special seminar on this Artillery Gun and on top of that Pakistan is testing this Artillery Gun also do I think chances are high

Let's see what happens
 
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Denel from South Africa presents its T5-52 155mm truck-mounted howitzer at IDEAS 2016.
The South African Defense Company Denel Land Systems presents its T5-52 155mm wheeled self-propelled howitzer at IDEAS 2016, the International Defense Exhibition in Karachi, to response to the needs of the Pakistani army for a new artillery vehicle.

Denel Land Systems T5-52 155 truck-mounted self-propelled howitzer at IDEAS 2016, International Defense Exhibition in Karachi, Pakistan.

The Pakistan Army has been in the process of modernizing its artillery units in the next few years. In 2008, the Pakistani Army procured two Chinese-made SH-1 truck-mounted 155 mm howitzers for testing these vehicles failed the operational tests of the Pakistani army.

The Denel T5-52 is a truck-mounted gun-Howitzer 155 mm/52 calibre using a Czech-made Tatra T815-7 8×8 modified military truck chassis.

The T5-52 has an operating crew of four crew members, and two crew members to prepare and supply the ammunition. The elevating mass consists of the ordnance, the cradle with an integrated buffer system, and the ammunition handling and ramming system.

The T5-52 carries a total of 30 projectiles and 30 charges. The 155mm cannon is fitted with a semi-automatic loading system with 6 ammunition ready to fire, the remaining of 24 ammunition are in storage box located at the rear of the crew cabin.

The ordnance has been optimized for the 52 caliber 155mm ballistic system. The projectiles are the extended range type and provide an increased range and target effectiveness when compared with existing systems. Using base bleed projectiles, the weapon has a range of 42,5 km at sea level. NATO and other ammunition can be fired, after consultation with the supplier.

A panoramic optical-mechanical sight is mounted directly to the trunnion, incorporating a compensation system for trunnion cant, which forms a backup for indirect fire. A telescopic sight for direct fire is mounted to the compensation system and gives a direct fire range of up to 3000m.

The Denel T5-52 artillery system has excellent tactical and road strategic mobility thanks to the use of the Tatra truck chassis offering a road speed of 85 km/h with a maximum cruising range of 600 km.

Source: Army Recognition

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/sh-1-was...ted-howitzer-ideas-2016.462621/#ixzz4Qo0r00gk
 
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Denel from South Africa presents its T5-52 155mm truck-mounted howitzer at IDEAS 2016.
The South African Defense Company Denel Land Systems presents its T5-52 155mm wheeled self-propelled howitzer at IDEAS 2016, the International Defense Exhibition in Karachi, to response to the needs of the Pakistani army for a new artillery vehicle.

Denel Land Systems T5-52 155 truck-mounted self-propelled howitzer at IDEAS 2016, International Defense Exhibition in Karachi, Pakistan.

The Pakistan Army has been in the process of modernizing its artillery units in the next few years. In 2008, the Pakistani Army procured two Chinese-made SH-1 truck-mounted 155 mm howitzers for testing these vehicles failed the operational tests of the Pakistani army.

The Denel T5-52 is a truck-mounted gun-Howitzer 155 mm/52 calibre using a Czech-made Tatra T815-7 8×8 modified military truck chassis.

The T5-52 has an operating crew of four crew members, and two crew members to prepare and supply the ammunition. The elevating mass consists of the ordnance, the cradle with an integrated buffer system, and the ammunition handling and ramming system.

The T5-52 carries a total of 30 projectiles and 30 charges. The 155mm cannon is fitted with a semi-automatic loading system with 6 ammunition ready to fire, the remaining of 24 ammunition are in storage box located at the rear of the crew cabin.

The ordnance has been optimized for the 52 caliber 155mm ballistic system. The projectiles are the extended range type and provide an increased range and target effectiveness when compared with existing systems. Using base bleed projectiles, the weapon has a range of 42,5 km at sea level. NATO and other ammunition can be fired, after consultation with the supplier.

A panoramic optical-mechanical sight is mounted directly to the trunnion, incorporating a compensation system for trunnion cant, which forms a backup for indirect fire. A telescopic sight for direct fire is mounted to the compensation system and gives a direct fire range of up to 3000m.

The Denel T5-52 artillery system has excellent tactical and road strategic mobility thanks to the use of the Tatra truck chassis offering a road speed of 85 km/h with a maximum cruising range of 600 km.

Source: Army Recognition

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/sh-1-was...ted-howitzer-ideas-2016.462621/#ixzz4Qo0r00gk

Serbian Nora is also here. They have arrived also
 
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I will try to describe few pointers about NORA 155mm self propelled gun and possible procurement of some optional equipment:


1.Modular charges that allow quick and effective use of different maximum ranges
2.Battlefield management system software - it allows commandeers on any level from gun to battalion HQ to use weapons most effectively. It has a lots of different possibilities. For example:

- Commander of battery or division can directly take command of any individual weapon and give separate or joint command to all of them. That allows that battery (usual 6 weapons) or division- battalion (usual 18 weapons) concentrate to a target with a single click of button by commander. Or it can direct every weapon to different target or any other combination of interaction between HQ, weapon and target is possible.

-Mobile Geographical Information Systems integrated in battlefield management software is based on loaded local maps and is easy to integrate with lower and higher level of command giving full C4I2

-Commandeer has real time insight in all weapons ammunition, fuel, position etc for evry single weapon

-Maintenance could be scheduled by data from every weapon based on its use(for example some will carry shooting more and some less and similar)

3.Automatic loader with 12 projectiles ready to fire. Loader can be refilled from the container on the deck of the vehicle.
4.All ballistic computation is automatic after desired target coordinates are inserted
5.Auxiliary power unit (APU) provides power to the system during weapon start-up at the fire position without needs for main engine to work.
6.High muzzle velocity of 925ms, and optional radar for projectile muzzle velocity measuring exact speed of projectile in moment of firing that increase precision of every shot that is fired
7.Remote control of weapon trough encrypted communication
8.Intercom for all crew members and tactical chat mode for communication inside battery and battalion - division
9.Automatic line of fire
10.From traveling to combat position transition takes one minute
11.After action review of all procedures and and data made during actual guns use - very important for training and better understanding of eventual mishaps in order to increase efficiency of crew and staff involved in practice


Options with Nora B-52 gun from same manufacturer

1.BOV-11 artillery reconnaissance vehicle with FCS computer, artillery electronic direction finder and communication equipment that works out of box with Nora B-52 self propelled gun
2.Logistic and Maintenance vehicles
3.HERA system for acoustic source location of artillery and rocket weapons with detection range of 30km that works in situation with heavy electronic interference
4.Towed 155mm Nora A1 with 8 rpm rate of fire and integrated FCS that is easy to integrate and complement with self propelled version
5.In case when you purchase more then 6 weapon and let say form a battalion with 3 battery and 18 weapons there is battalion level fire control and command system that comprise of:

- 3 battery command post - one for each battalion

- up to 3 observer posts

- battalion command posts

- voice/data communication between battalion elements and higher command

I hope you will find this post interesting :coffee:

Nora B-52 is very nice product and for Pakistan in case of bigger procurement of guns maybe some technology transfer could be interesting like for example local ammunition production.
 
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I will try to describe few pointers about NORA 155mm self propelled gun and possible procurement of some optional equipment:


1.Modular charges that allow quick and effective use of different maximum ranges
2.Battlefield management system software - it allows commandeers on any level from gun to battalion HQ to use weapons most effectively. It has a lots of different possibilities. For example:

- Commander of battery or division can directly take command of any individual weapon and give separate or joint command to all of them. That allows that battery (usual 6 weapons) or division- battalion (usual 18 weapons) concentrate to a target with a single click of button by commander. Or it can direct every weapon to different target or any other combination of interaction between HQ, weapon and target is possible.

-Mobile Geographical Information Systems integrated in battlefield management software is based on loaded local maps and is easy to integrate with lower and higher level of command giving full C4I2

-Commandeer has real time insight in all weapons ammunition, fuel, position etc for evry single weapon

-Maintenance could be scheduled by data from every weapon based on its use(for example some will carry shooting more and some less and similar)

3.Automatic loader with 12 projectiles ready to fire. Loader can be refilled from the container on the deck of the vehicle.
4.All ballistic computation is automatic after desired target coordinates are inserted
5.Auxiliary power unit (APU) provides power to the system during weapon start-up at the fire position without needs for main engine to work.
6.High muzzle velocity of 925ms, and optional radar for projectile muzzle velocity measuring exact speed of projectile in moment of firing that increase precision of every shot that is fired
7.Remote control of weapon trough encrypted communication
8.Intercom for all crew members and tactical chat mode for communication inside battery and battalion - division
9.Automatic line of fire
10.From traveling to combat position transition takes one minute
11.After action review of all procedures and and data made during actual guns use - very important for training and better understanding of eventual mishaps in order to increase efficiency of crew and staff involved in practice


Options with Nora B-52 gun from same manufacturer

1.BOV-11 artillery reconnaissance vehicle with FCS computer, artillery electronic direction finder and communication equipment that works out of box with Nora B-52 self propelled gun
2.Logistic and Maintenance vehicles
3.HERA system for acoustic source location of artillery and rocket weapons with detection range of 30km that works in situation with heavy electronic interference
4.Towed 155mm Nora A1 with 8 rpm rate of fire and integrated FCS that is easy to integrate and complement with self propelled version
5.In case when you purchase more then 6 weapon and let say form a battalion with 3 battery and 18 weapons there is battalion level fire control and command system that comprise of:

- 3 battery command post - one for each battalion

- up to 3 observer posts

- battalion command posts

- voice/data communication between battalion elements and higher command

I hope you will find this post interesting :coffee:

Nora B-52 is very nice product and for Pakistan in case of bigger procurement of guns maybe some technology transfer could be interesting like for example local ammunition production.

Ammo production? :lol: Dude we make and export ammo... 155mm Base bleed,cluster packin ammo etc.
 
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Hello, any photos of the Panter 155/L52 in Pakistani Service?

All I could find was this.
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Also what 155mm shells is POF producing, I know POF produces the HE M101, M107 and has a JV with Poongsang for K310 BB DPICM rounds (178 million contract for 8,600 rounds), is the K307 being manufactured? What ERFB, ERFB-BB and V-LAP shells are being produced by POF?
 
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Are there plans to procure any more Panter guns from Turkey?
 
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