Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[Donatello]

The Swedes suggestd Pakistan buy a $ 20 million (ish) warranty and insurance. Pakistan refused to and suffered because of that. Otherwise, everything would've been covered. The manufacturer's OEM warranty doesn't cover terrorist attacks. It just covers equipment's working under regular circumstances. Anyway, Pakistani used their tech resources, knowledge base, technical material provided for support, ordered parts and got this puppy fixed and working internally for 1/5th of the cost. Also gained significant experience in the design of this puppy too. Good job to PAF's engineers.

After such a complex initiative, they can probably overhaul and fix these internally, even built another version with COTS products too, if all the manufacturing and mechanical equipment is available.

If PAF didn't have insurance to specifically cover for terrorist attacks, then insurance wouldn't mean anything in this case.

 

[hassan1]

 

[ice_man]

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THIS IS NOT an AEW plane my friend.

this is the ordinary transport one

 

[Viper0011.]

If PAF didn't have insurance to specifically cover for terrorist attacks, then insurance wouldn't mean anything in this case.

No, you didn't understand. When you buy anything (including a laptop from Dell), there is two types of warranty / insurance offered:

1) OEM (manufacturer's): means if the laptop, in a specified amount of time, fails to work or parts of it, the manufacturer will fix it under manufacturer's warranty. This includes a computer is an office, just failing because the main board, CPU, LCD or the memory circuits went bad.

2) Any other reason why something stopped working. This now includes events like a car accident or coffee spill, kids throwing the laptop on the ground from the top of the shelf. Meaning some incident, not normal, done by humans or mother nature caused it, like a Hurricane or Tornado. These aren't covered under OEM warranty. These are defined as accidents or catastrophic events. So in Saab's case, this is the type of warranty / insurance they asked Pakistan to buy at the time of sale and Pakistan didn't.

Now if there wasn't a terrorist attack and these planes were in the hangers or flying normal, and one AESA went out, Saab will replace it for free, as long as the request was made in the time-frame allowed by OEM warranty. This is pretty common and a standard practice for all manufacturers.

 

[Bossman]

No insurance is available to militaries

 

[shaheenmissile]

Exif Data of this picture posted by @hassan1 shows the picture was taken on 21-August-2015. that is enough evidence that the VIP/Transport SAAB 2000 was not converted to Erieye AWACS as predicted by many.
That also means that whatever airframe was repaired by PAF was in good enough shape after terrorist attack,so as to not needing replacement,just repairs.
This also debunks many claims over here that 2 were incinerated and one was damaged beyond repain and will need a whole new body.

 

[fatman17]

No 13 Erieye squadron returns to full strength


Pakistan AF Erieye Repaired After Damage in Terrorist Attack

Posted on 11 September, 2015



Pakistan Air Force Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C aircraft 10-025 at Dubai on November 17, 2011. The PAF Erieye fleet is now back up to full strength following repair of the example that was damaged in a terorist attack on August 16, 2012. Dmitriy Pichugin

A PAKISTAN Air Force (PAF) Saab 2000 Erieye airborne early warning and control aircraft has been returned to service, three years after being extensively damaged during a terrorist attack on PAF Base Kamra-Minhas. The aircraft was officially declared operational again with 13 Squadron at Minhas yesterday, September 10, after being repaired by the co-located Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), according to local media source Dunya News.

As previously reported on AFD, the aircraft, identity still unknown, was parked in its hangar at Kamra-Minhas on August 16, 2012, when a rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the hangar wall. Shrapnel from the explosion of the RPG caused serious damage to the Erieye.

An initial inspection by engineers from PAC Kamra on the following day indicated that the aircraft should be repairable. Subsequently, on February 6, 2013, Pakistan Defence Secretary Lt Gen (retired) Azra Fazal Pechuho told a meeting of Pakistan’s National Assembly Standing Committee on Defence that the aircraft had been assessed as damaged beyond repair. It appears, however, that later re-assessment determined it could be repaired after all. A meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Defence Production was informed yesterday that US aircraft engineers had estimated the cost of rebuilding the aircraft at $30 million, but Pakistani personnel had completed the work for just $15 million, over a period of ten months.

The PAF took delivery of four Saab 2000 Erieyes, the first of which was delivered on December 8, 2009. The repair of the damaged aircraft now brings 13 Squadron back up to full strength. The unit also flies a single Saab 2000 in standard passenger configuration, which is used for crew training. AFD-Dave Allport

 

[shaheenmissile]

No 13 Erieye squadron returns to full strength


Pakistan AF Erieye Repaired After Damage in Terrorist Attack

Posted on 11 September, 2015



Pakistan Air Force Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C aircraft 10-025 at Dubai on November 17, 2011. The PAF Erieye fleet is now back up to full strength following repair of the example that was damaged in a terorist attack on August 16, 2012. Dmitriy Pichugin

A PAKISTAN Air Force (PAF) Saab 2000 Erieye airborne early warning and control aircraft has been returned to service, three years after being extensively damaged during a terrorist attack on PAF Base Kamra-Minhas. The aircraft was officially declared operational again with 13 Squadron at Minhas yesterday, September 10, after being repaired by the co-located Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), according to local media source Dunya News.

As previously reported on AFD, the aircraft, identity still unknown, was parked in its hangar at Kamra-Minhas on August 16, 2012, when a rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the hangar wall. Shrapnel from the explosion of the RPG caused serious damage to the Erieye.

An initial inspection by engineers from PAC Kamra on the following day indicated that the aircraft should be repairable. Subsequently, on February 6, 2013, Pakistan Defence Secretary Lt Gen (retired) Azra Fazal Pechuho told a meeting of Pakistan’s National Assembly Standing Committee on Defence that the aircraft had been assessed as damaged beyond repair. It appears, however, that later re-assessment determined it could be repaired after all. A meeting of the Senate Standing Committee on Defence Production was informed yesterday that US aircraft engineers had estimated the cost of rebuilding the aircraft at $30 million, but Pakistani personnel had completed the work for just $15 million, over a period of ten months.

The PAF took delivery of four Saab 2000 Erieyes, the first of which was delivered on December 8, 2009. The repair of the damaged aircraft now brings 13 Squadron back up to full strength. The unit also flies a single Saab 2000 in standard passenger configuration, which is used for crew training. AFD-Dave Allport

10025 was damaged.

Full strength means now all Erieye operational?

 

[Viper0011.]

Exif Data of this picture posted by @hassan1 shows the picture was taken on 21-August-2015. that is enough evidence that the VIP/Transport SAAB 2000 was not converted to Erieye AWACS as predicted by many..

I don't think this is a point to even argue about. If they didn't use the Saab (Test / VIP) than obviously they restored the one which was hit. Even better for the PAF

However, there were also discussions a while ago about using the Shanxi or the CN platform for more room. Saab cleared it as they said the item isn't under warranty. So if somehow Pakistan was able to restore it, they are welcome to use it or throw it away. Basically they washed their hands from this entire deal since the sanctions were put on. So at this time, Pakistan is able to use a bigger platform for this too. Not sure if that would happen but let's see what comes out.

Full strength means now all Erieye operational?

To be honest with you, I'd love to see all Erieye's in one picture. What was said many times was that one Saab was destroyed and the other one was seriously damaged, and the radar may have been damaged beyond repairs. So the later would be fixed. Again, this is speculation on my end right now as to how many are actually functional, so I'd like to see some proof before believing it.

 

[fatman17]

10025 was damaged.

Full strength means now all Erieye operational?

If you understand English then yes

 

[shaheenmissile]

If you understand English then yes

No spreken ze englis

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

The lies and deception continue. Three aircraft were attacked, two badly damaged, and one destroyed/written off. Out of the two damaged, one has been made serviceable again by PAC, and work is underway on the second one.

Both PAC and SAAB have participated, and commercial market suppliers have also assisted.

Civil configuration aircraft has not been converted.

 

[Zarvan]

If you understand English then yes

So we have 9 AWACS now 5 Karakoram Eagle and 4 SAAB this is impressive man truly impressive

 

[ice_man]

The lies and deception continue. Three aircraft were attacked, two badly damaged, and one destroyed/written off. Out of the two damaged, one has been made serviceable again by PAC, and work is underway on the second one.

Both PAC and SAAB have participated, and commercial market suppliers have also assisted.

Civil configuration aircraft has not been converted.

teray moun mein ghee shaakaar if the third one also becomes operational.

@fatman17 BUT BUT BUT...........................OK got it boss

 

[Zarvan]

The lies and deception continue. Three aircraft were attacked, two badly damaged, and one destroyed/written off. Out of the two damaged, one has been made serviceable again by PAC, and work is underway on the second one.

Both PAC and SAAB have participated, and commercial market suppliers have also assisted.

Civil configuration aircraft has not been converted.

No lies two jets were attacked one Air Refueller which pretty much melted due to sheer heat and one AWAC and the AWAC is fully recovered now