Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[Capt.Popeye]

I appreciate the background. Was that in defense procurements with related to hi-tech OEM?

Yes indeed. As Team Leader/Manager at Shipyard Procurement and also as Third Party Inspector/Assesor.

 

[blain2]

i think PAF is working on a home-grown land based solution to 'link' both systems so that they can talk to each other

Its already in place. The existing GCI is being used to relay information from the nodes in the air. This was the quickest and easiest way to disseminate information between platforms with incompatible avionics. However the Erieyes can also relay directly to the Chinese platforms but over VHF/UHF channels but such solution may not work as well in times of a conflict due to chances of eavesdropping and jamming.

 

[janon]

Apart from the F-16s and JF-17s, can the other aircrafts in PAF be controlled by either AEWACs?

 

[fatman17]

Apart from the F-16s and JF-17s, can the other aircrafts in PAF be controlled by either AEWACs?

good question...?

 

[Manticore]

Prosecutors eyes Pakistan deal
Updated 2013-04-12 07:14. Published 2013-04-12 06:11

Chief Prosecutor Gunnar StetlerPhoto: Linnea Bergenudd

The National Anti-Corruption Unit is considering launching an investigation after Di's revelations about Saab billion business in Pakistan. "There is reason to take this information seriously," said chief prosecutor Gunnar Stetler.

On Thursday, Di published new revelations about how the defense group Saab paid half a billion to an intermediary agent Majjid Bashir Ahmed, who made ​​sure that the major Swedish company got word of radar systems to Pakistan, worth a total of 7 billion.


Since the summer of 2012 contains Swedish mutlagstiftning particular offense reckless financing bribe. If the company does not make sufficient checks can now be held liable if the agent pays bribes with money coming from the company.

But since Pakistan deal was completed before the new law came into force is the legal analysis under the older law where intent must be demonstrated.

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[TaimiKhan]

Apart from the F-16s and JF-17s, can the other aircrafts in PAF be controlled by either AEWACs?

All the other assets of PAF, which included Mirages & F-7s have been equipped with new radio communication sets, which enables them to talk to any asset of the PAF including AEW&C systems, but data transfer capability is something which seems to be currently limited to JF-17 & F-16s only.

But voice communication is not a problem.

 

[Jango]

Prosecutors eyes Pakistan deal
Updated 2013-04-12 07:14. Published 2013-04-12 06:11

Chief Prosecutor Gunnar StetlerPhoto: Linnea Bergenudd

The National Anti-Corruption Unit is considering launching an investigation after Di's revelations about Saab billion business in Pakistan. "There is reason to take this information seriously," said chief prosecutor Gunnar Stetler.

On Thursday, Di published new revelations about how the defense group Saab paid half a billion to an intermediary agent Majjid Bashir Ahmed, who made ​​sure that the major Swedish company got word of radar systems to Pakistan, worth a total of 7 billion.


Since the summer of 2012 contains Swedish mutlagstiftning particular offense reckless financing bribe. If the company does not make sufficient checks can now be held liable if the agent pays bribes with money coming from the company.

But since Pakistan deal was completed before the new law came into force is the legal analysis under the older law where intent must be demonstrated.

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This could get serious.

I always thought Saudis played a part in getting the deal. Any info about this Majid Bashir Ahmed guy?

 

[rohailmalhi]

This could get serious.

I always thought Saudis played a part in getting the deal. Any info about this Majid Bashir Ahmed guy?

They made sure by giving kick back of almost half billion SEK to this middle man who have to make sure Pakistan buys Saab as they didnt have any customer for this system.

The news goes on and tells that all the money for this deal was lent by Swedish govt .

 

[Jango]

From the same link ANTIBODY provided...Google Translate

THis link says 3 destroyed...? I doubt it though. Maybe they mixed up damage and destroyed.

This could get very embarrassing for PAF if the Swedish investigate this and find something fishy, not to mention that SAAB would also be in trouble.

 

[Roybot]

From the same link ANTIBODY provided...Google Translate

THis link says 3 destroyed...?

This could get very embarrassing for PAF if the Swedish investigate this find something fishy, not to mention that SAAB would also be in trouble.

It says 1 destroyed, 2 damaged and needs repair. It also says that the Sab2000s were bought on Swedish loan? Is this true?

Taliban destroyed the Swedish-financed planes
Updated 2013-04-10 08:45. Published 2013-04-10 06:14


Three radar planes of Pakistan Air Force bought munitions manufacturer Saab with borrowed money from the Swedish state is shattered in a terrorist attack. Saab can expect a new billion order while the Swedish taxpayers sitting with 5-6 billion in bad loans.

Early on the morning of August 16 last year, nine well-armed men attacked the airbase at Kamra, six mil from the capital Islamabad.That night was three Saab 2000 aircraft with Erieye radar system established on the base - and all in the same space, according to Di's sources. The terrorists chose delete other tempting targets.

After a several hours long firefight with automatic weapons, explosives and rocket launchers were the attackers dead.

The ultra-modern Swedish radar planes were badly damaged, but the government and the security forces embarrassing story quieted down. Officially stated immediately after the battle that the nose cone of the plane had been damaged.

At the same time took the Pakistani Taliban group Teh-reek-i-Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack. In a statement explaining that the attack was revenge for the terrorist leaders Baitullah Mehsud and Osama Bin Laden's death.

Only recently, in February, admits Pakistan's Defence Ministry loss of one of the most expensive Swedish radar plan.

In Sweden, only a few people to what happened with Saab plan and their valuable Erieyesystem.

Two independent sources say the Di that one of Erieyeplanen was completely destroyed and the other two planes are so severely injured that they have to undergo repairs.

In practice, the Swedish tax money which has now gone up in smoke in a Taliban attack. State Swedish Export has namely funded plan through a credit agreement of 7.4 billion concluded 2006th

In May 2012 came the final order, and only a few months later - in August - beating the Taliban.

It is about the Pakistani Air Force Perhaps the single most valuable asset, and not just the purchase price of SEK 7 billion. Erieye is counted as one of the most advanced surveillance systems and has made it possible for Pakistan to have full control over what happens in the air, and to a large extent on the ground.

Only one of the four Erieyeplanen escaped the attack. It was elsewhere in Pakistan.

Government of Pakistan is now very anxious to get the two damaged planes repaired with Saab's help and discussions have taken place at express speed.

Saab can expect 1-2 billion in payment for new supplies of support and spares, deliveries may start already this year.

ISP stopped all new business with Pakistan in 2007, referring to unrest in the country, but the repairs are classified as follow-on deliveries. And since Saab's original application to the ISP about six planes are also nothing to prevent the company from selling to one, according to Di's sources.

 

[Jango]

It says 1 destroyed, 2 damaged and needs repair. It also says that the Sab2000s were bought on Swedish loan? Is this true?

Today's industry revealed on Wednesday that three of the four Saab Plan Pakistan Defence purchased have been destroyed in a Taliban attack. According to the newspaper, it can lead to Swedish taxpayers, who financed and guaranteed funding from the Swedish Export Credit and Export Credits Guarantee Board, now sitting with bad loans of 5-6 billion

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The one which got destroyed was burned, maybe the heat severely damaged the other two?

These links also put in question the number of aircraft...the link says we bought 4 Saab aircraft(link doesn't say whether 4 AWACS or only Saab), till now, only 4 aircraft have been seen in public eye but officially there are 5, there are alot of rumors regarding the 5th aircraft.

this investigation goes on, alot may come out. Lets wait and see.

 

[fatman17]

too confusing and too speculative.

lets base things on facts and not opinions - with opinions one gets carried away esp. in PK

 

[Jango]

too confusing and too speculative.

lets base things on facts and not opinions - with opinions one gets carried away esp. in PK

Yeah, the translation messes everything up.

But the next big bang will come from Sweden...

 

[Fieldmarshal]

wt the above say was very very right, right after the attack. ie our losses were 1 destroyed and 2 damaged.

all three were parked in the the same hanger.
as one ac had just come back from a training sortie, so the hanger door was open some what and refueling bowser was standing outside the hanger (to refuel the ac for the next sortie in a couple of hours).
rpg round hit the ac standing in the middle dead on. nothing but the landing gears and the vertice stabilizer were recovered. it is a total loss!! (any one sayin anything else is just b.sing ).
the other two ac suffered burn spots to the airframe from the fire and initially it was thought that the platform might need to replaced(all the systems were completely intact and suffered on damage).
But after a through analysis they were deemed repairable and are being repaired/have been repaired.

and dear membersthat is the whole story (the rest and the blank spaces i have filled in my earlier posts).

 

[Jango]

wt the above say was very very right, right after the attack. ie our losses were 1 destroyed and 2 damaged.

all three were parked in the the same hanger.
as one ac had just come back from a training sortie, so the hanger door was open some what and refueling bowser was standing outside the hanger (to refuel the ac for the next sortie in a couple of hours).
rpg round hit the ac standing in the middle dead on. nothing but the landing gears and the vertice stabilizer were recovered. it is a total loss!! (any one sayin anything else is just b.sing ).
the other two ac suffered burn spots to the airframe from the fire and initially it was thought that the platform might need to replaced(all the systems were completely intact and suffered on damage).
But after a through analysis they were deemed repairable and are being repaired/have been repaired.

and dear membersthat is the whole story (the rest and the blank spaces i have filled in my earlier posts).

They got saved due to the timely arrival of fire crews!!!

Warna they would have melted in no time.

The initial thoight was that the internals got burned but later these fears proved wrong.

That is why some people including me initially said that 2 destroyed.