Pakistanis be ready, time of action is here and now.

[nahtanbob]

Hi,

Told you guys that this Air Chief is a COWARD---.

Paf is an extremely deceitful organization---. They knew that after 27th feb---indians would be retaliating---.

The Paf have intentionally kept their number of aircraft lower over the years even though there were multiple opportunities to buy aircraft---so that Pak Army does not start a war---.

Paf knows if their aircraft numbers were higher---they would have to fight a war for the Pak army---.

Why do you think the PAF can succeed against someone who has a 5x to 10x greater budget ?

We should call it great patriotic war. Just like USSR its fight for our survival our existence ,we cannot afford to lose it at any cost. Our race our culture our history our religion everything will be annihilated if we showed any weakness.

you need a stalin to fight like USSR in 1941. the only problem is that Stalin killed more Soviet citizens than Nazis over the entire duration of his regime

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Why do you think the PAF can succeed against someone who has a 5x to 10x greater budget ?



you need a stalin to fight like USSR in 1941. the only problem is that Stalin killed more Soviet citizens than Nazis over the entire duration of his regime

Ok it is Churchill then

 

[crankthatskunk]

What other things maybe but one thing is confirmed those Chinooks were stealth.

Really!!!
And what kind of government/army/Air Force would still be blind, which had big birds landed on its soil stayed there for almost an hour its engines running, where the whole area could see them, hear them!
By the way show me some proofs that Chinooks were stealth.

 

[Sabretooth]

The issue of Kashmir is a sensitive but dicey one. All the commotion inside IOK and LOC created by the Indian Army could be part of something grand.

We need to ask ourselves the following questions;
Is it possible India want to instigate a response from Pakistan and start another skirmish? Perhaps.
Will our armed forces ever be at 100% from the hardware point of few? never.
Are our soldiers battle-ready? Most definitely.

Considering the above the choice of battle should be made while making sure it could be finished with a conclusive win. In any case, the ultimate victory belongs to Allah.

 

[War Thunder]

I agree with your post, I have been saying the same thing about 27th Feb.
Pak had the best chance to give India good thumping but they wasted it and
now these mad dogs have regrouped to attack again.

Even though I am a PTI supporter, I was pissed off with Imran Khan when he
relesed Abhinandan. If a Pakistani pilot is shot down in India do you reckon they will
send him back in 2 days?

Imran's successful diplomacy which has highlighted Pakistan's strategic importance, now recognised world over by major countries. Especially Trump disclosing that Modi requested his mediation on Kashmir, has shaken Modi and his gang to the core.


They are realising that their false personas and carefully crafted Indian’s narrative is demolished by Imran within few months.


Modi is no way near Imran's personal sophistication and charm. He stands no chance against Pakistan’s PM Imran Khan on the world stage. First sign of it were shown during the conference when Imran was welcomed by Putin with warmth, while Modi cut a sulking furlong figure, standing on the side lines.


Seeing the writings on the wall if he allows Imran time and space to work on Pakistan’s foreign policy to enhance Pakistan’s image worldwide. Modi is panicking, thus, has restored to barbarism on grand scale.


Anyone with little sense should have understood it, that India would re-act violently when cornered. That's why some sane people on this forum like @MastanKhan and I have raised our concerns that Pakistani army should have made example of Indian's when they carried out incursion in to Pakistan on 26th Feb and Pakistani response on 27th Feb.

We should have hit India hard and destroyed their intruding jets rather than showing restrain. The excuse that by the time the Indian jets were already crossed the LOC was ill thought. So was the danger of war. War is upon us if we like it or not.


We should have also killed Bipin when we had the chance to do so. India is not going to learn any lessons if we keep showing restrain.


Modi and his team has come to power on the back of some promises and deep dark agendas.


The Muslims of India are also learning that appeasing these Hindu criminals is never going to work. They have to stand up and be counted. Otherwise Indian Muslims are going to learn the worst lesson of the history.


If you give evil a chance you live to regret it. Pakistan should be ready to nuke Indian soldiers if they overstep in Kashmir. I think and hope that Pakistan's military does not restrain itself from using battlefield miniaturised nukes i.e. Nasr.


Kashmiri Muslim's genocide is a horror story Pakistanis cannot and should not tolerate at any cost.

Pakistan's image had gone down the drains in the world thanks to nawaz and zardari.
We needed that restraint to show the world who we truly are and we lead with wisdom and do not give way to barbarianism.
If we had acted like you want us to and went in and blown shit up like mad dogs, then Modi would have been successful in portraying us as the aggressors and war seeking maniacs and the World will be standing with him, unlike how it is with us right now.
Has india gained anything ever since or have we lost in diplomacy? Are we not being respected more and getting warmer welcomes wherever we go?

Muslim armies also had the chance to slaughter Christians the same way they slaughtered and raped Muslims when they entered Jerusalem.
But we did not, why? Because we gave evil a chance to regroup?

No, because you can never extinguish evil by becoming the evil. You extinguish the evil by being better and standing on higher grounds of morality.

indians won't release our pilots because that's them and their values and morality.
We released Abhinandan because that's us and our values and what we want to be known for.

If you want us to be like them, and take them as our teachers, then you seriously need to assess your own values, and I'm glad we have sane people sitting on our helms and not some mad folk who want to go murdering enemy generals and incite war and hatred.
A Muslim is never the one who wishes for war, its a terrible sickness to seek war.

 

[MastanKhan]

Why do you think the PAF can succeed against someone who has a 5x to 10x greater budget ?

Hi,

I normally don't answer to indians---but will make an exception for you---.

It is not the size of the dog but the fight in the dog that counts---.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Imran's successful diplomacy which has highlighted Pakistan's strategic importance, now recognised world over by major countries. Especially Trump disclosing that Modi requested his mediation on Kashmir, has shaken Modi and his gang to the core.


They are realising that their false personas and carefully crafted Indian’s narrative is demolished by Imran within few months.


Modi is no way near Imran's personal sophistication and charm. He stands no chance against Pakistan’s PM Imran Khan on the world stage. First sign of it were shown during the conference when Imran was welcomed by Putin with warmth, while Modi cut a sulking furlong figure, standing on the side lines.


Seeing the writings on the wall if he allows Imran time and space to work on Pakistan’s foreign policy to enhance Pakistan’s image worldwide. Modi is panicking, thus, has restored to barbarism on grand scale.


Anyone with little sense should have understood it, that India would re-act violently when cornered. That's why some sane people on this forum like @MastanKhan and I have raised our concerns that Pakistani army should have made example of Indian's when they carried out incursion in to Pakistan on 26th Feb and Pakistani response on 27th Feb.

We should have hit India hard and destroyed their intruding jets rather than showing restrain. The excuse that by the time the Indian jets were already crossed the LOC was ill thought. So was the danger of war. War is upon us if we like it or not.


We should have also killed Bipin when we had the chance to do so. India is not going to learn any lessons if we keep showing restrain.


Modi and his team has come to power on the back of some promises and deep dark agendas.


The Muslims of India are also learning that appeasing these Hindu criminals is never going to work. They have to stand up and be counted. Otherwise Indian Muslims are going to learn the worst lesson of the history.


If you give evil a chance you live to regret it. Pakistan should be ready to nuke Indian soldiers if they overstep in Kashmir. I think and hope that Pakistan's military does not restrain itself from using battlefield miniaturised nukes i.e. Nasr.


Kashmiri Muslim's genocide is a horror story Pakistanis cannot and should not tolerate at any cost.

Let me put my view point on this, which is slightly different from what you have said.
Kashmir is going to be a separate state, that's what my feeling is. May be Azad J&K will also go away.
We must prepare ourselves for that.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Why do you think the PAF can succeed against someone who has a 5x to 10x greater budget ?



you need a stalin to fight like USSR in 1941. the only problem is that Stalin killed more Soviet citizens than Nazis over the entire duration of his regime

america had a 10,000 to 100,000× greater budget than the Taliban. 18 years later, the americans are negotiating their withdrawal from Afghanistan on the Taliban's terms.........

If it was all about budgets, then indian fighter jets would not have been shot down by PAF with the indians too weak, powerless and completely unable to do anything about it.........

 

[crankthatskunk]

Pakistan's image had gone down the drains in the world thanks to nawaz and zardari.
We needed that restraint to show the world who we truly are and we lead with wisdom and do not give way to barbarianism.
If we had acted like you want us to and went in and blown shit up like mad dogs, then Modi would have been successful in portraying us as the aggressors and war seeking maniacs and the World will be standing with him, unlike how it is with us right now.
Has india gained anything ever since or have we lost in diplomacy? Are we not being respected more and getting warmer welcomes wherever we go?

Muslim armies also had the chance to slaughter Christians the same way they slaughtered and raped Muslims when they entered Jerusalem.
But we did not, why? Because we gave evil a chance to regroup?

No, because you can never extinguish evil by becoming the evil. You extinguish the evil by being better and standing on higher grounds of morality.

indians won't release our pilots because that's them and their values and morality.
We released Abhinandan because that's us and our values and what we want to be known for.

If you want us to be like them, and take them as our teachers, then you seriously need to assess your own values, and I'm glad we have sane people sitting on our helms and not some mad folk who want to go murdering enemy generals and incite war and hatred.
A Muslim is never the one who wishes for war, its a terrible sickness to seek war.

I think you have missed the basic premise of my thread. I wrote that Pakistan should act decisively if India start to commit genocide in Kashmir.
Once it has started it , the world would be against Modi and with us. We would only react to the Indian aggression on civilian population. We could not be hold responsible to protect the fellow Muslims and Kashmiris.
Nowhere, I suggested that Pakistan should start war. Why people take the meanings they want!!!

All the indications are Indians are planning something massive. The extra troops reinforcement is hinting towards it.
They probably would start to revoke Kashmir's special status by removing 35 A. Kashmiris would naturally react to it. The Indians then are planning to ruthlessly deals with the Kashmiris and commit genocide of Kashmiris.

What do you think in that case Pakistan should show restrain and let Kashmiris die in big numbers!!!

 

[SIPRA]

We needed that restraint to show the world who we truly are and we lead with wisdom and do not give way to barbarianism.
If we had acted like you want us to and went in and blown shit up like mad dogs, then Modi would have been successful in portraying us as the aggressors and war seeking maniacs and the World will be standing with him, unlike how it is with us right now.
Has india gained anything ever since or have we lost in diplomacy? Are we not being respected more and getting warmer welcomes wherever we go?

Muslim armies also had the chance to slaughter Christians the same way they slaughtered and raped Muslims when they entered Jerusalem.
But we did not, why? Because we gave evil a chance to regroup?

No, because you can never extinguish evil by becoming the evil. You extinguish the evil by being better and standing on higher grounds of morality.

indians won't release our pilots because that's them and their values and morality.
We released Abhinandan because that's us and our values and what we want to be known for.

If you want us to be like them, and take them as our teachers, then you seriously need to assess your own values, and I'm glad we have sane people sitting on our helms and not some mad folk who want to go murdering enemy generals and incite war and hatred.
A Muslim is never the one who wishes for war, its a terrible sickness to seek war.

A very sane analysis.

 

[crankthatskunk]

A very sane analysis.

Wrong brother. If you analyse last few months since Feb 2019. Indians were embolden after 26th. Despite they were spanked on 27th, they still falsely tried to maintain the facade that they have shot down PAF's F 16. We hear funny stories all the time since then.

You may have also noticed that after Pakistan has carried out the promise made by PM IK and PA brass that if attacked Pakistan would response at a time and place of its choosing, which it did on 27th, the Indians, specifically Modi had been acting very erratically.

It is a direct result of keeping the promise to attack. Some may say, the response was adequate, some of us say that Pakistan should have punished India severely for deterrence purposes. What we did on 27th wasn't enough deterrence we are soon going to see the fruit of that restrain shown by PA/PAF.
The sad thing is that the Kashmiris are going to pay the price with their blood.
You think this is a good thing!!

 

[nahtanbob]

Ok it is Churchill then

The Brits knew what was at stake. Churchill had to just remind them

 

[SIPRA]

Latest news is that PMIK has called a meeting of National Security Committee (NSC) today.

 

[Smoke]

Let them fire the missiles, are we such a small country that we can't sustain some damage and can't fight back. In this encounter of threatened missile exchange India definitely would have come second best and on top of it the economic damage for them was going to be far worse then us. Imagine how foreign investors would have ran out of India like rabbit and economic consequences was going to be far worse for India then us, that's why they buckled and backed off.

True, but I still thing what we did was sufficient enough to save lives, and also elevate our image in the world.

Hi,

2 or 10 in the same go---does not change the type of retaliation---.

Of course it does. How would you react if India took out 1 mirage vs 4x Mirages, 2x F-16's, and an AWAC?

That too when this is a battle between nations whose ego's are super inflated? I'd ready all my other forces to strike back just as hard.

If you were paying any attention, they have plans ready to conduct missile strikes at Karachi, Bahawalpur etc.
The Indian/Israeli plan to attack Pakistan using Oman's territory is well publicised by now.
If you strike hard and take out their capabilities, less chances of strikes. If we destroyed their command and control in that sector of Kashmir, take out their Chief and downed/destroyed 10+ jets, the effect would have been more telling and had better deterrence value.

Having plans to conduct and having the emotions to go through with it are two different things. If we had pushed them into a corner, they would have definitely come back swinging.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Having plans to conduct and having the emotions to go through with it are two different things. If we had pushed them into a corner, they would have definitely come back swinging.

The only thing deterred Indians was Pakistan announcement that if they were attacked, they will attack India multiple of 6 and target all its big cities.
Indians knew that IK and PA after their promise attacked Indian positions on the next day in broad day light, therefore, the threat was not idle, Pakistan would attack India, which worked as absolute deterrence. Nothing else.