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I'd have to say the bengalis living in Karachi would disagree.
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I'd have to say the bengalis living in Karachi would disagree.
You're just repeating the same points without actually proving them, in spite of the evidence I have given which contradicts them.
We have the largest population of Afghans in the entire world (the word Afghan has historically been an ethnonym for Pashtuns), we've got Hazaras who are Turco-Mongols and other people (e.g Mughals) who have Turco-Mongol ancestry, and we have Syeds, Qureshis, Ansaris, Awans, etc who all have Arab ancestry. In fact, you should check this out:
https://www.harappadna.org/2012/05/harappaworld-admixture/
This is the Harappa admixture sheet. You will find that Muslims from Pakistan and north-west India have higher amounts of SW Asian (i.e Arab) ancestry than their non-Muslim counterparts from the same ethnic group. The only exceptions are a few of the Sikh populations, which would be expected since many Muslims did convert to Sikhism (since Islam was already pretty firmly established in the Punjab at that time).
I'll give you some examples:
Kashmiri Paharis (overwhelmingly Muslim): 2% SW Asian admixture
Kashmiri Pandits (overwhelmingly not Muslim): 0% SW Asian admixture
Punjabi Arains (overwhelmingly Muslim): 2% SW Asian admixture
Punjabi Muslim Jatts: 2% SW Asian admixture
Punjabi Brahmins: 0% SW Asian admixture
Gujarati Muslims: 4% SW Asian admixture
Gujarati Patels (overwhelmingly not Muslim): 0% SW Asian admixture
Our country has been the target of many conquests and migrations, so all of this isn't surprising. What is surprising is how you feel confident enough to make such incorrect statements.
Perhaps, but I'm sceptical.
From my perspective: millions of Muslims fought and died for control of Delhi and North India over centuries, so why the hell would we tuck our tail and do the opposite.
(1.) There is no logical way that the entire population can leave their home and cross the border trekking such a long distance, especially when there exist plenty of people who were never targeted in ethnoreligious violence.
The religious scholarly centers of Sunni Islam, i.e., Deoband and Bareili were located in North India, so that is like cutting the head from the body.
But not surprising when you realize that the Pak movement was heavily led by Shia and secularists so from their perspective this was never a concern.
(3.) East Pak and West Pak are not even connected, and Muslims are effectively divided along three separate polities. United we are strong, divided we are weak and that's what happened. Muslims would have been a third of the population today in a united subcontinent, and that's all you need for 'critical mass'.
By what definition? Are you saying that only post 1947 can belong to Pakistan?I am repeating the truth again and again. You have some of those population with Afghan and other backgrounds, but none of those empires and those Islamic heroes belonged to you.
You have some of those population with Afghan and other backgrounds, but none of those empires and those Islamic heroes belonged to you.
It's actually bewildering how you can say that without realising how stupid you sound.
I think everyone seems to be living in Karachi.
The United States of Pakistan.
Cheers, Doc
There are even Indians in Karachi, I kid you not. And I'm not talking about people from the partition.
I think everyone seems to be living in Karachi.
The United States of Pakistan.
Cheers, Doc
Karachi surely seems to have a flavour and character all its own.
Probably only two Pakistani cities qualify as world cities.
Karachi and Peshawar.
Cheers, Doc
I find your theories on race interesting. Imagine thinking Iran, Pakistan, or India are homogeneous states. Laughable I know. Bangladesh is surprisingly homogeneous racially.
I challenge you to take a DNA/ancestry test and show the results here.
If you think Pakistanis are hybrids, then you are in for a rude awakening for your parsis and bhartis.
The days of Muslim rule were smashed by the British. Quaid e Azaam was initially for unity but he spent time in Congress and realised that Muslims will be marginalised and also he was heavily influenced by Allama Iqbal.
Also Bangladesh was never meant to be part of Pakistan. Quaid E Azaam reluctantly agreed due to the heavy involvement of Bengali Muslims despite knowing the vast differences. Allama Iqbal never mentioned Bengal in his talks about a separate Muslim homeland.
Chandry Rehmat Ali also had Pakistan as West Pakistan only. The name P A K (I) S TAN. There is no Bangla in it.
I disagree 33 % would not be enough for critical mass.
Plus the Subcontinent of India has been separate states for most of History. Unity is actual the exception to the rule...even if Islam had not come, the Indus region is different to the Gangetic region. It is unfortunate that Pakistan could not get the whole of what the Pakistan movement wanted....
We didn't tuck our tail, we've permanently carved out a massive chunk of land that could of been theirs post-British colonialism if it weren't for us. We went down with the last laugh.
Muslims that far away should have fought for their independence if they couldn't make it. We can't carry everyone on our back.
We still got some of the prominent clerics on board.
Not true, they were less religious, but not secularists and AFAIK most of them were Sunni (Jinnah himself converted to Sunni Islam and had a Sunni funeral).
Not enough Muslims were devoted to being united. Too many of us were content with being the property of Indians, and others were too fixated on their ethnic identity.
Why Peshawar lol?
You can check the Harappa sheet I posted earlier and find the Parsis in it.
Why Peshawar lol?
I'm not going to check because I have better things to waste my time on, but I bet there are elements of Dravidian/Elamites in them as well.
The only pure country in the his world is Pakistan.