Pakistani Punjab and Former East punjab

[Kabira]

You are the onee who was saying we will extinct because of migrations from UP bihar (350 million people) ..even though from page 1 i have denied this has anything to do with regionalism.

You will not get extinct because Haryana is extension of UP linguistically and culturally. Haryana, Rajasthaan and UP have same castes including hindu jaats. But punjabis are not hindi speakers yet.

 

[Tea addict]

You will not get extinct because Haryana is extension of UP linguistically and culturally. Haryana, Rajasthaan and UP have same castes including hindu jaats. But punjabis are not hindi speakers yet.

Funny considering a haryanvi can understand punjabi but not bhojpuri..

 

[Kabira]

Funny considering a haryanvi can understand punjabi but not bhojpuri..

I can understand bojpuri and haryanvi because I can understand hindi/urdu. These are dialects of hindi, what is so funny?

 

[Kabira]

@CleanWell bro just because Pak punjabis identify as Pakistanis first that doesn't mean they don't speak or want to speak punjabi. Most other Pakistanis also identify as Pakistani first and after that they will tell you place of origin district/city before even province. If you get to know more about them then native language, background etc will come out.

I remember one family from Bawalpur/Punjab who spoke urdu. They first just identified as from Bahwalpur. After some time they told us they migrated from Rajasthan/India before 1947 and that's why they don't speak native tongue of Bawalpur which is seraiki.

 

[ZenBird]

@CleanWell bro just because Pak punjabis identify as Pakistanis first that doesn't mean they don't speak or want to speak punjabi. Most other Pakistanis also identify as Pakistani first and after that they will tell you place of origin district/city before even province. If you get to know more about them then native language, background etc will come out.

I remember one family from Bawalpur/Punjab who spoke urdu. They first just identified as from Bahwalpur. After some time they told us they migrated from Rajasthan/India before 1947 and that's why they don't speak native tongue of Bawalpur which is seraiki.

Yeah that makes sense. As a Sikh, I feel like we identify as Sikhs and Punjabis first and Indians second.

BTW I'm from Majha (parental links to Amritsar and Lahore) and don't feel contemptuous of Malwai or Doabi Punjabi like the guy a few posts back. I like all dialects of Punjabi and they all have their unique words and their own charm. Doabi Punjabi is pretty similar to Majhail Punjabi. Malwai Punjabi starts to be different.

I can understand bojpuri and haryanvi because I can understand hindi/urdu. These are dialects of hindi, what is so funny?

Haryanvi - it is very hard to understand. I can infer some meanings if spoken very slowly but for the most part I can't. I'd wager that a Haryanvi will have better luck with Punjabi than vice versa.

WRT to Bhojpuri I think you are thinking of Bihari Hindi, I very much doubt you can understand Bhojpuri language bro. It is pretty different

 

[Kabira]

Haryanvi - it is very hard to understand. I can infer some meanings if spoken very slowly but for the most part I can't. I'd wager that a Haryanvi will have better luck with Punjabi than vice versa.

WRT to Bhojpuri I think you are thinking of Bihari Hindi, I very much doubt you can understand Bhojpuri language bro. It is pretty different

haryanvi sound similar to bojpuri hindi

Maybe you're right, Biharis are most useless people on earth. Being on average almost two times poorer then India's average is some feat. Even Pakistan poorest regions rural sindh and rural Balochistan have less poverty then overall Bihar. Its not surprising they have flooded punjab.

 

[ZenBird]

haryanvi sound similar to bojpuri hindi

Maybe you're right, Biharis are most useless people on earth. Being on average almost two times poorer then India's average is some feat. Even Pakistan poorest regions rural sindh and rural Balochistan have less poverty then overall Bihar. Its not surprising they have flooded punjab.

Biharis are cheap labor and are treated like shit in Punjab. The farmers have become soft and don't like doing any work personally. Biharis also bring crime, setup slums and are a general nuisance. However, if they were to all go back Punjab agriculture will fail as all kids are just interested in moving to cities/ immigrating abroad.

Btw, who does the labor in Pakistani Punjabi villages if you don't have bhaiyya?

haryanvi sound similar to bojpuri hindi

You're going to majorly offend our Haryanvi friend For me Haryanvi sounds aggressive, masculine. They can't speak softly if their life depended on it. Bhojpuri is.. well bhaiyya boli..

 

[Kabira]

Biharis are cheap labor and are treated like shit in Punjab. The farmers have become soft and don't like doing any work personally. Biharis also bring crime, setup slums and are a general nuisance. However, if they were to all go back Punjab agriculture will fail as all Katy's are just interested in moving to cities/ immigrating abroad.

Btw, who does the labor in Pakistani Punjabi villages if you don't have bhaiyya?

I'm from Kharian in Gujrat district. Gujrat MPI is 0.6 and Kharian most be near 0.2 because most people from here have settled in Norway. Most Pakistanis in Norway are from Kharian. Apart from local landless people and after 1980 afghan refugees. Also many local landless people no longer need to work in fields. They move to cities, abroad and in many cases are richer then village zamindars who stay behind. Afghans are hard working and are not known for any crime in our area.

In fact they are bilingual in punjabi and pashto. Its only in Punjab cities where you don't need to learn punjabi and urdu is sufficient.

 

[ZenBird]

Afghans are hard working and are not known for any crime in our area.

In fact they are bilingual in punjabi and pashto. Its only in Punjab cities where you don't need to learn punjabi and urdu is sufficient.

Interesting, how are they treated by Zamindars? Most servants and bhaiyyas are treated like crap in our Punjab which is one thing I don't like.

Most Pakistanis in Norway are from Kharian

Nice, well met Majha brother. How do you feel about Mirpuris? My Pakistani friend from Lahore hates them with a passion and has the choicest abuses for them. He used to live in UK and said that a large population of them live there and are responsible for crimes and don't even spare Pakistani Punjabis.

 

[Kabira]

Interesting, how are they treated by Zamindars? Most servants and bhaiyyas are treated like crap in our Punjab which is one thing I don't like.



Nice, well met Majha brother. How do you feel about Mirpuris? My Pakistani friend from Lahore hates them with a passion and has the choicest abuses for them. He used to live in UK and said that a large population of them live there and are responsible for crimes and don't even spare Pakistani Punjabis.

They are not treated like crap, many of them had shops which have been closed down in last couple of years. Afghans are different from biharis. There is a saying here that Afghans will rent house then save enough to buy it lol, they are business minded people. Many got Pakistan national card by illegal means. Corrupt NADRA official who made them part of some family line and those granting them CNIC. Rest are going back slowly.

The same friend who doesn't even speak punjabi? No one hate Mirpuris neither I know much about UK apart from that South/London have more people from Pak punjab and in north more people from Mirpur/AJK.

 

[Tea addict]

You're going to majorly offend our Haryanvi friend For me Haryanvi sounds aggressive, masculine. They can't speak softly if their life depended on it. Bhojpuri is.. well bhaiyya boli..

Lol they can never offend me mate, they have tried to impose their physical superiority complex and when i said my state haryana can take on both india and Pakistan combined in physical sports..they had no answer.

They tried racial crap, but i dont give a singke f*ck if he is .065467645 shade fairer than as far as we surpassed them in every field..and without them migrating to west and gulf, they are no better than biharis. Whom they ridicule for migration.

Now this fella tried linguistic crap,which i have agreed in the op than punjab has got soft power far surpassing anyone in south asia..i am talking about indian punjabi only. The sate which built entire punjab .

 

[ZenBird]

physical superiority

How can anybody have physical superiority amongst the same genetic pool lol It all boils down to training and infrastructure. There are a couple of major trolls on these forums (not talking about ghenda) and they have both been in full swing on your thread. Unfortunately, defense forums (India or Pak) are just full of jingoistic race baiting people.

 

[Kabira]

Lol they can never offend me mate, they have tried to impose their physical superiority complex and when i said my state haryana can take on both india and Pakistan combined in physical sports..they had no answer.

They tried racial crap, but i dont give a singke f*ck if he is .065467645 shade fairer than as far as we surpassed them in every field..and without them migrating to west and gulf, they are no better than biharis. Whom they ridicule for migration.

Now this fella tried linguistic crap,which i have agreed in the op than punjab has got soft power far surpassing anyone in south asia..i am talking about indian punjabi only. The sate which built entire punjab .

As if haryanvis don't migrate to west. Honestly I fail to see how haryanvis are better build considering they are influenced by ganga near by. British officials described people of Haryana and clearly said apart from some Hindu jaats who are minority and comparable to punjabis rest were just like your average gangu teli of UP and different from people of punjab. If you want I can even post source here. Doing well in some sports here and there depend on government support and facilities.

 

[Tea addict]

How can anybody have physical superiority amongst the same genetic pool lol It all boils down to training and infrastructure. There are a couple of major trolls on these forums (not talking about ghenda) and they have both been in full swing on your thread. Unfortunately, defense forums (India or Pak) are just full of jingoistic race baiting people.

I know it ,you know it...but if someone doesn't want to know it...well, iam a boxer, i keep punching sense into people time to time.
Thats why i tagged the person who har superiority complex in op itself

As if haryanvis don't migrate to west. Honestly I fail to see how haryanvis are better build considering they are influenced by ganga near by. British officials described people of Haryana and clearly said apart from some Hindu jaats who are minority rest were just like your average gangu teli of UP and different from people of punjab. If you want I can even post source here. Doing well in some sports here and there depend on government support and facilities.

Haryanvis are negligible compared to your people who migrate.
I never said we are better build, i just said we dominate the physical sports of india and singke handedly take on entire Pakistan in physical sports..it come down to training,personal motivation,incentives and many other factors why we excel in sports and in other aspects too.

As if haryanvis don't migrate to west. Honestly I fail to see how haryanvis are better build considering they are influenced by ganga near by. British officials described people of Haryana and clearly said apart from some Hindu jaats who are minority and comparable to punjabis rest were just like your average gangu teli of UP and different from people of punjab. If you want I can even post source here. Doing well in some sports here and there depend on government support and facilities.

Not to mention i see you and biharis as same when it comes to migrations

 

[Kabira]

Haryanvis are negligible compared to your people who migrate.
I never said we are better build, i just said we dominate the physical sports of india and singke handedly take on entire Pakistan in physical sports..it come down to training,personal motivation,incentives and many other factors why we excel in sports and in other aspects too.

No haryanvis can't take on pakistanis, wake up kid. Your small frame and build make you non starter to begin with. Yes you do well with in India which isn't a big deal. Most of them are hindu jaats who are migrants from sindh/punjab who forgot their mother tongue, not proper haryanvis.