Pakistani Paper doesn't want Ahmadis to celebrate 14th August Pakistan Independence Day

[Mrc]

while papers like ummat are condemnable, there are several qadiyani run websites constantly spewing venom against islam, pakistan and pak military....
please keep both sides of coin in view and also i would suggest some people are playing victim card here for own vested interests

 

[Metanoia]

while papers like ummat are condemnable, there are several qadiyani run websites constantly spewing venom against islam, pakistan and pak military....
please keep both sides of coin in view and also i would suggest some people are playing victim card here for own vested interests

Which websites?

 

[Spring Onion]

So Qadiyanis are so sensitive that a 3rd class newspaper news of distinct country hurt their feelings? Non sense ........
It's rare for me to find a patriotic Qadiyani.......
Most of immoral pages related to Pakistan are run by Qadiyanis sitting in North America or Europe.......

I feel it does not hurt their feelings but it gives them an opportunity to propagate for their own interests/just like ummat finds opportunity to publish such things for own propaganda.

Shah Ji, we need to go a step further and stop forcing them to declare themselves as non-Muslim.

It is not the business of the government to pass judgement on their faith or declare who is or isn't Muslim..

Actually doing that would mean we are going back on our own belief and negating Islam simple as that.
The qadyanis consider everybody as non Muslim those who do not/does not accept ghulam mifraza as prophet so the basic clash here is if we Muslims consider ghulam mirza as prophet then it means we are going against our own Last Prophet of Allah that is Muhammad (PBUH) which is not possible.
Look around the world how many Muslim countries have qadyanis? why it is Pakistan? we need to understand that
entire Muslim world cannot be negated for accepting a person like ghulam mirza who's own claims have been proven wrong and lies. look at all sects of Islam nobody had claimed to be having a prophet after Muhammad (PBUH) . qadyaniat is not even a sect. It is simply a different religion where they are worshiping a single man who is BTW negated by one of the two groups of qadyanis even.

Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet of Allah and that is final


Having said that as far as rights of qadyanis are concerned they have equal rights as Pakistanis if anyone is denying them these rights then it is simple violation of the constitution and rights.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Actually doing that would mean we are going back on our own belief and negating Islam simple as that.
The qadyanis consider everybody as non Muslim those who do not/does not accept ghulam mifraza as prophet so the basic clash here is if we Muslims consider ghulam mirza as prophet then it means we are going against our own Last Prophet of Allah that is Muhammad (PBUH) which is not possible.
Look around the world how many Muslim countries have qadyanis? why it is Pakistan? we need to understand that
entire Muslim world cannot be negated for accepting a person like ghulam mirza who's own claims have been proven wrong and lies. look at all sects of Islam nobody had claimed to be having a prophet after Muhammad (PBUH) . qadyaniat is not even a sect. It is simply a different religion where they are worshiping a single man who is BTW negated by one of the two groups of qadyanis even.

Muhammad (PBUH) is the last prophet of Allah and that is final

Having said that as far as rights of qadyanis are concerned they have equal rights as Pakistanis if anyone is denying them these rights then it is simple violation of the constitution and rights.

I'm not referring to personal beliefs, but the 'official status' under the constitution. It is both un-Islamic and a violation of the basic rights of Qadianis for the constitution to declare them 'non Muslims'. Only Allah can pass judgement on someones faith.

 

[Spring Onion]

I'm not referring to personal beliefs, but the 'official status' under the constitution. It is both un-Islamic and a violation of the basic rights of Qadianis for the constitution to declare them 'non Muslims'. Only Allah can pass judgement on someones faith.

I can understand what you are saying but again that would mean you will be allowing everybody to preach their belief though I am in favor of allowing non Muslims to preach their faith but again accepting qadyanis as Muslims means that tomorrow anybody can come with a false prophet and you have to accept every false prophet and his followers as Muslims.
This is interlinked and very complicated

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I can understand what you are saying but again that would mean you will be allowing everybody to preach their belief though I am in favor of allowing non Muslims to preach their faith but again accepting qadyanis as Muslims means that tomorrow anybody can come with a false prophet and you have to accept every false prophet and his followers as Muslims.
This is interlinked and very complicated

We don't personally have to accept anything - Allah gave us a mind for a reason, to use it and make personal decisions and choices and be judged for them, and not so we force illegal and un-Islamic restrictions on others because we disagree with their faith. We cannot pick and choose a basic commandment of Islam that 'their is no compulsion ' in religion. If the Qadianis preach their faith as Muslims then so what?

The Pakistani constitution is a violation of a basic command of Islam itself.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

The Pakistani constitution is a violation of a basic command of Islam itself.

Another statement that parllels Daesh, Al Qaeeda,Talebans and TTP philosophy that rejects the modern Muslim states and their laws. Pakistan constitution is our national law and we have made these laws to best of our ability. If the Qadiani Kazzabs do not recognize the Pakistan constitution then they are no better than those terrorists who also reject the constitution.

 

[Spring Onion]

We don't personally have to accept anything - Allah gave us a mind for a reason, to use it and make personal decisions and choices and be judged for them, and not so we force illegal and un-Islamic restrictions on others because we disagree with their faith. We cannot pick and choose a basic commandment of Islam that 'their is no compulsion ' in religion. If the Qadianis preach their faith as Muslims then so what?

The Pakistani constitution is a violation of a basic command of Islam itself.

basic belief is different than command which is not basic in its nature.
Pakistani constitution lacks many things.

again qadyanis preaching their faith as Islam means you want us to go against our own religion and Prophet. If qadyanis do not consider anybody as Muslim who is pointing fingers at ghulam mirza how can you force us to negate our own faith?
You want us to side with ghulam mirza by going against the finality of Prophethood which is NOT at all possible.

the entire Muslim world is different than qadyaniat.

 

[Mrc]

Declaring qadiyani muslims would require us to to declare 1.8 billion muslims as kafirs

There are 2 possibilites.

1- mirza ghulam ahmad was a true prophet. In this case every one who do not believe in him is non muslim (this is the qadiyani belief).

2- mirza ghulam ahmed was imposter (muslim belief) than qadiyanis cannot be muslims...

U cannot have a prophet and than declare bith his believers and non believers as muslims simultaneously ...

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Another statement that parllels Daesh, Al Qaeeda,Talebans and TTP philosophy that rejects the modern Muslim states and their laws. Pakistan constitution is our national law and we have made these laws to best of our ability. If the Qadiani Kazzabs do not recognize the Pakistan constitution then they are no better than those terrorists who also reject the constitution.

The TTP, ISIS, Al Qaeda do not recognize the Pakistani constitution because it (mostly) promotes equal rights and democracy. What. I am pointing out is a flaw in our constitution where we openly discriminate against a particular religious group and force our views upon them. Pakistan's constitution with respect to Ahmadis is in fact something the TTP and ISIS would be proud of, and would want to extend to the Shia as well.

 

[Mrc]

Which websites?

Face book pages

1- jogan
2- roshni
3- zaliman
4- socialism for pakistan

Nearly all banned by pta..

Also hina jillani, asma jahangir etc etc

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Declaring qadiyani muslims would require us to to declare 1.8 billion muslims as kafirs

It is not about declaring Qadianis (or anyone else) Muslims - that is only for Allah to declare and decide - it is about removing restrictions on Qadianis from Pakistan's constitution that classifies them as non-Muslim.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

The TTP, ISIS, Al Qaeda do not recognize the Pakistani constitution because it (mostly) promotes equal rights and democracy. What. I am pointing out is a flaw in our constitution where we openly discriminate against a particular religious group and force our views upon them. Pakistan's constitution with respect to Ahmadis is in fact something the TTP and ISIS would be proud of, and would want to extend to the Shia as well.

That Second Amendment to the Constitution of Pakistan was passed with the unanimous vote in the elected National Assembly of Pakistan, it is theologically correct and is approved by the Muslims of Pakistan. Qadianis can worship their Mirza Qadiani Kazzab in their temples but are not allowed to use the Muslim symbols.

 

[al_asad_al_mulk]

See when a non-muslim calls himself muslim inwardly he is calling real muslim non-muslim so its problem of our identity. We don't have anything against them if they accept they are non-muslims.

 

[Mrc]

It is not about declaring Qadianis (or anyone else) Muslims - that is only for Allah to declare and decide - it is about removing restrictions on Qadianis from Pakistan's constitution that classifies them as non-Muslim.

Allah has declared...read first kalima
Also khtim un nabiyeen declared in quraan...
Constitution of pakistan is actually re inforcing own qadiyani belief, that any one who donot believe in their prophet is out of their religion..

Only issue is that they want to name their religion as islam