Pakistani man wins right to change religion from Islam to Judaism

[Roybot]

Why publicize such trivial and personal issues?

 

[The Sandman]

I am talking Muslims; you are talking Islam.

You tried to portray that as if Islam evil as if Quran allows us to kill non Muslims just like that don't try to act innocent it's of no use now.

 

[Solomon2]

So you're not gonna apologize for spreading mis information and hatred in post 67?

As pointed out, the bit about Abrogation was phrased as a question - and you answered it, very rudely, acknowledging (in #76) that terrorists employ it.

You don't appear to contest anything else I wrote in #67.

 

[The Sandman]

As pointed out, the bit about Abrogation was phrased as a question - and you answered it, very rudely, acknowledging (in #76) that terrorists employ it.

You don't appear to contest anything else I wrote in #67.

"Phrased as a question" yea right no one's gonna fall for that any person who have interacted with you even once will know your intentions behind that "question" as i said don't try act innocent now it ain't gonna help you.

 

[Solomon2]

Stop being a drama queen, NADRA changed their policy two years ago.

Thanks for the tip. However, according to this article it's unclear whether Feshel met this hurdle in 2015 as his dad was a Muslim. It seems this is now remedied, or promised to be remedied.

"Phrased as a question" yea right no one's gonna fall for that any person who have interacted with you even once will know your intentions behind that "question" as i said don't try act innocent now it ain't gonna help you.

Why do you hold your animosity towards me to be more important than the thread topic? Or even the anti-terrorist "defensive" values you profess?

 

[Finer]

Jinnah was not some god, jinnah was a representative of the muslims of india who wanted a separate homeland based on their religion, jimnah was their servant, he representated the ideology of those muslims, he was the custodian and trustee of that ideology, fullfilling that duty he carved out a state for the muslims he was representing, jinnah in his core essemce was a devout servant of islam and muslims, he was serving that 1400 yrs old ideology by representing the muslims of india, he was the mouth piece of indian muslims but the voice was theirs, he was their face but the brains were theirs, he was their hands but the will was theirs, in the legal circles we have two ways at reaching a judgement, the most outdated one bieng as described by professor atiyah is where u establish a verdict and backtrack to find proof to justify it, u my friend are doing just that, the only difference is u dont even have proof for justification so people like u make it up as they go...

He was the leader. Pakistan was based on Allama Iqbal (R.A) vision confirming by Jinnah (R.A) leaning towards Islamic democracy instead of conservative political ideology. In fact, the majority of conservative political ideology rejected Jinnah (R.A) and Pakistan.

Let me remind you; Jinnah is the founding father of Pakistan. Do you understand the meaning of founding father which you just rendered him as servant? He was founding father of Pakistan.

Only Muslims and Ahmedhiya supported Jinnah especially the kind of Muslims that wanted separate lands for their faith, their culture. Not to enforce their faiths against the rest of Pakistan including the minority. Why do you think the majority of conservative political ideology rejected Jinnah and Pakistan?

People had options to choose, but they chose Jinnah over the conservative ideology, Jinnah over Bangali movement, Jinnah over provincial movement for their independence.

Now you have to respect the call of the majority-backed Jinnah that wanted the nation in secular sense where everyone can practice their faiths openly. And most importantly, he is founding father of Pakistan meaning it is his call that is taken into the account. Even if he is dead, you have to respect his laws.

What the hell is ur point actually bc, are u high or something, what r u trying to say??

It appears you have forgotten given your pro-support for PTI lawmaker that endorsed respect laws or get out from Pakistan. You cannot possibly be that high.

 

[The Sandman]

Why do you hold your animosity towards me to be more important than the thread topic? Or even the anti-terrorist "defensive" values you profess?

Nah i don't have animosity towards you it's you who hate Islam, Muslims and Pakistanis just accept what you did was wrong and you deliberately quoted that verse out of context just apologize and move on.

 

[Zibago]

Dont care about his religion (his personal choice and none of my business), but if you follow news or google him, you will find him to be rather mentally disturbed.

As for apostasy, no Quranic prespective on it.. while various schools of thoughts lead by scholars have their own "verdicts" on the issue.

He is a fan of Tarik Phatu

 

[The Sandman]

Do you believe Feshel hates "Islam, Muslims and Pakistanis" just because he is a Jew?

Again trying to divert topic with childish arguments and no i don't know if he hates Islam, Muslims or Pakistanis because i never had any interaction with him but i had a lot of interactions with you and everyone here who had an interaction with you knows how much poison you spew against us and Islam.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Thanks for the tip. However, according to this article it's unclear whether Feshel met this hurdle in 2015 as his dad was a Muslim. It seems this is now remedied, or promised to be remedied.

No problem, but its my understanding that the policy was set in stone around the same time. Opinions around Pakistan also seem to reflect that people are very much fine with this:

From the Ministry:

"the ministry said in writing that “the applicant may be allowed to practice religion of [his] choosing and preference”."

From JUI-F (the most hard-right Islamist party in the country):

"JUI-F Senator and religious scholar Mufti Abdul Sattar, commenting over the issue, said a child was not bound to carry on the religion of his/her father or mother. “If the claimant is adult and never practiced Islam (as claimed by Benkhald that he never practiced Islam his whole life except Judaism) then he is free to adopt any religion of his choice,” Sattar said and added that the state was bound to mention religion of his choice in his identity documents."

Maybe he faced problems in the past, but reading his article it seems its more an issue with corrupt/incompetent bureaucrats, than actual government policy.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Certainly it's enough to make one sick. Especially, I imagine, one who realizes he has been compelled to eating and regurgitating the same vomit all his life.

Growing your own food and washing it carefully might help...

Im certain you talkin about yourself.

The difference is, you know you eat vomit and you love it.

 

[The Eagle]

So you're not gonna apologize for spreading mis information and hatred in post 67?

@waz @Arsalan @The Eagle @Zaki guys is he allowed to do this??

Always report such posts and do not quote back or engage and then, lets the Mods handle the matter. You know, due to a lot of notifications and many members use to tag Mods, things missed but reporting the matter always results in immediate action. Hope you understand.

Regards,

 

[SQ8]

Sattar said as per teachings of Abu Hanifa, if a person practiced Islam in the past but later renounced it and adopted some other religion then he/she is bound to be punished.

Punishment, according to him, includes a three-day jail to rethink the decision, but if that person still insists he would be punished to death. However, he categorically stated that fatwa was implementable in countries/societies where Sharia laws were implemented in totality not partially like in Pakistan.

Absolutely disagree, the commandment relates to those that abandon the body of muslims as traitors and work against us- such as ayaan ali hirsi.

But there is no compulsion in religion nor any directive to forbid those from leaving.

Islam is a priviledge you attain and not something to be forced down your throat if you are unable to understand its worth