Pakistani Experts Admit Chabbar Port Will Dilute Gwader Potential

[313ghazi]

You call him a traitor a number of times. Don't you think that such a serious accusation should be made with greater responsibility? What gives you the right to call him that, especially considering that people of some worth and respect in public life don't seem to agree?

It's easy for you lot to say, you don't have political parties focused purely on tearing your country apart - We do. Our country is one which supports traitors, the political elite are nearly all traitors. I think you know it just sa well as i do - you just like to play devils advocate i guess.

Najam Sethi fought in a war against the Pakistani state - that makes him a traitor. The idea of reconciling with traitors is very much entrenched in Pakistani politics. Nawaz Sharif was charged with hijacking and he is now our pm. Benazir Bhutto wrote to foreign leaders asking for them to intervene in Pakistan and she is worshipped because she died! The worst dictator we had (Musharraf) gave all the corrupt politicians clean chits because democracy apparently matters more than accountability.

Traitors are ten a penny in Pakistan, Najam Sethi is not alone, look at the mullah from the red mosque, free as a bird after fighting the countries armed forces in our own capital city.

 

[ziaulislam]

unless govt steam heads an aggressive front on gawadar its not gona work, as bigger ships will land only if there i sbig demand
1. urgent railway coinnection directly to quetta and khandahar
2. rerouting all NATO traffic, strong connection
3. establishing export-oriented industry like fertilizer, steels mills and automobile
4. establishing peace

 

[AZ1]

Actually pakistan want india to keep investing chabahar otherwise we all know chabahr is a lost case but for india its the only option available expensive one though.

 

[Sully3]

Tell us more: how to persuade you not to read posts and post emoticons as your most valued contribution.

my point stands American administration using an Iranian port to move military hardware in to Afghanistan is laughable.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It's easy for you lot to say, you don't have political parties focused purely on tearing your country apart - We do. Our country is one which supports traitors, the political elite are nearly all traitors. I think you know it just sa well as i do - you just like to play devils advocate i guess.

No, no, I wasn't playing devil's advocate, I just didn't see that angle. You are right to point it out.

Najam Sethi fought in a war against the Pakistani state - that makes him a traitor. The idea of reconciling with traitors is very much entrenched in Pakistani politics. Nawaz Sharif was charged with hijacking and he is now our pm. Benazir Bhutto wrote to foreign leaders asking for them to intervene in Pakistan and she is worshipped because she died! The worst dictator we had (Musharraf) gave all the corrupt politicians clean chits because democracy apparently matters more than accountability.

The first part was fine, but this second paragraph of yours is not one I can deal with, or should be asked to deal with. I don't think you should be calling another citizen a traitor; that's what our own breed of bastards has been doing, and I can't believe that you would like to be sailing in the same boat as these bohunkuses.

Traitors are ten a penny in Pakistan, Najam Sethi is not alone, look at the mullah from the red mosque, free as a bird after fighting the countries armed forces in our own capital city.

Again, not for me to comment as another Pakistani could, but isn't that extreme? Clubbing Sethi with that openly rebellious mullah?

Curiousity: what war did Sethi fight against the Pakistani state?

 

[313ghazi]

he was involved in balochistan in the 70's.

 

[Joe Shearer]

he was involved in balochistan in the 70's.

He FOUGHT in Balochistan? And he continues to be an honoured leader of society?

Are you making a fool of me?

 

[The Eagle]

There is a lot of difference between Chahbahar and Gawadar ports. Believing Shetti is all up-to one that find it interesting but he is also a known exaggerator for many things. Not to mention that the way Geo TV, Salim Safi and Shetti as well, ran a campaign on daily basis against CPEC while portraying the same as an evil and what not but under a veil, actually lost all the credibility. Surprisingly, US will utilize Chahbahar,,,,, really? The yellow journalism in full swing to please the employer. Both ports have different role to play and the same will proven in times coming forth.

 

[YeBeWarned]

his chirya must have delivered that Information to him

 

[The Eagle]

He FOUGHT in Balochistan? And he continues to be an honoured leader of society?

Are you making a fool of me?

The situation is more complex than it seems. In short, Hamid Mir of geo, that in my opinion, should be held responsible for all the hangings of opposition leaders in Bangladesh that he visited and attended TV/Seminars and continuously emphasized upon punishing the people of 71' but you know he is a well known jouno in Pakistan that too an employee of Geo Network; the same network that hired Najam.

 

[PDFChamp]

CPEC and Chabahar will likely become complimentary ports. Look at how many ports are in the tiny UAE. Do you think they would have all of them if they were cannibalizing each other? Both Pakistan and Iran will need several more ports as the worldwide growth shifts to Eurasia, C. Asia and S. Asia.

In fact, one European expert interviewed by an Indian paper last year even thought that China will end up with both of the ports and it's India which is isolating itself in the region by supporting ISIS and chaos in Afg.

Looking at it from India's POV:

1.Good for them and Iran. Healthy competition is good; more prosperity means bigger pie for Pak, C. Asia & CHINA. India can increase trade with C. Asia and get much needed energy supplies for growth if it can complete the route.

2. To complete the route, India will need funds and a peaceful Afg (at least in the South). They have no money and no one else (except for China) is jumping in to invest in Chabahar. As for peace, they will need to overcome both the Taliban resistance and the warlords (put their by the US neocons) who thrive on drugs and mayhem.

3. Peaceful Afg will help bring peace to Pak border area. Which is contradictory to India's aims, per Mr. Sethi in the 2nd video, of destabilizing Pakistan.

Bottom line: India is screwed; Do they hate us more than they love themselves? History tells us YES. They are still obsessed over '47. Losers. No wonder the RSS Hindutva growth rate is always below their promise.

We just need to focus on what we can do. The better Pakistanis become the more options our government will have in dealing with India. Keep the faith.

 

[maravan91]

CPEC and Chabahar will likely beocme complimentary ports. Look at how many ports are in the tiny UAE. Do you think they would have them if they were cannibalizing each other? Both Pakistan and Iran will need several more ports as the worldwide growth shifts to Eurasia, C. Asia and S. Asia.

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Infact, one European expert interviewed by an Indian paper last year even thought that China will end up with both of them and it's India which is isolating itself in the region.

Looking at it from India's POV:

1.Good for them and Iran. Healthy competition is good; more prosperity means bigger pie for Pak, C. Asia & CHINA. India can increase trade with C. Asia and get much needed energy supplies for growth if it can complete the route.

2. To complete the route, India will need funds and a peaceful Afg (at least in the South). They have no money and no one else (except for China) is jumping in to invest in Chabahar. As for peace, they will need to overcome both the Taliban resistance and the warlords (put their by the US neocons) who thrive on drugs and mayhem.

3. Peaceful Afg will help bring peace to Pak border area. Which is contradictory to India's aims, per Mr. Sethi in the 2nd video, of destabilizing Pakistan.

Bottom line: India is screwed; Do they hate us more than they love themselves? History tells us YES. They are still obsessed over '47. Losers. No wonder the RSS Hindutva growth rate is always below their promise.

We just need to focus on what we can do. The better Pakistanis become the more options our government will have in dealing with India. Keep the faith.

We r doing fine with existing trade routes.
https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/afg/

The top export destinations of Afghanistan are India ($220M), Pakistan ($199M), Iran ($15.1M), Iraq ($10.1M) and Turkey ($9.1M). The top import origins are the United Arab Emirates ($1.6B), Pakistan ($1.37B), the United States ($912M), Kazakhstan ($486M) and India ($472M).

UAE exports to afghanistan is mostly indian goods which r re exported to afghanistan via Karachi port

 

[Shah Khalid]

Key highlights from both vedios from PAKISTANIS

Gwader will remain a CPEC corridor for transit of Chinease energy and goods predominately

Indian Chabbar port will Give India Iran & USA access to Afghnistan BUT also a ,much shorter route than Gwader to Central Asia & Russia

India has BACKING OF USA

TOTAL INVESTMENT could rise to $20 billion over next 10 - 15 years.

The Chabbar Port gurantees India Gas supplies AND huge access to central ASIA not JUST AFGHNISTAN.

Chabbar Port is a strategy that has FULL USA SUPPORT AND BACKING

Najam Sethi,Yep What An Expert

He is also

• A Masters degree holder from Cambridge, and PhD student who left to join politics;
• Founder of Vanguard Books;
• Co-founder of The Friday Times;
• Founder of The Daily Times of Pakistan, and Editor for seven years, 2002 to 2009;
• Pakistan Correspondent of The Economist from 1990 to 2008;
• Caretaker Chief Minister of the Punjab in 2013, for the duration of the elections, appointed after consensus among the competing parties;

Sir The Man You Are Glorifying Is Not At All A Reliable Man In Pakistan His Credibility Is Next To Nothing.During His Tenure As Interim CM He Is Accused To Have Manipulated 2013 Elections Results To Favour PML N And He Was Made Chairman PCB As A Reward.

Nobody Knows How Much Money He Has Made of PSL.

 

[Verve]

The defence of Najam Sethi is laughable to say the least. A degree and some articles!

Guy was thrown in jail for treason by the very Nawaz who later got him appointed as CM and then head of PCB! Traitors become friends when favours are exchanged.

Perhaps the advocate should read up on the history of Sethi himself before blindly carrying on.

In coming time, Sethi will end up in jail (along with his credentials) over corruption and money laundering! Same charges Nawaz is in court for.

 

[idune]

Chabahar and Gwadar are not in competition in much ways that I can see. Just because they're close to one another, operate in the same region and are funded/built by adversaries. Their purposes are different, Pakistan could really use another port like Gwadar, and it just so happens that it provides a nice trade access route to the Middle East and China. Either Chabahar or Gwadar could be used to grant access to trade via ports to Central Asia and Afghanistan too. Other than that, there isn't much to discuss.

Gwadar ought not to worry India at all, it's meant for Pakistan's purposes and has little to no relevance to them, and Chabahar is no business of ours either. OP as for CPEC, please don't confuse ~$50 billion investments, loans and partnerships intended for use all over Pakistan as the same thing as Gwadar and an addition to trade routes. You don't need that much money to build a port, the vast majority of these funds are for development elsewhere in Pakistan. We're still suffering an energy crisis and will have even higher demand as we develop, our infrastructure is in a horrifically bad state and costs the economy a fortune. CPEC is mainly meant for that purpose, as well as some other projects underway in science research and agriculture.

Long story short:

Gwadar isn't all of CPEC, and CPEC is only about Pakistan and China, Chabahar doesn't need to have much to do with Gwadar, and it certainly doesn't have anything to do with wider CPEC portfolio.

If one has not understood indian mindset yet, Gwadar as an stand alone port is not the issue for indians. REAL indian issue is that Pakistan is getting developed with huge infusion of investment and partnership that is out of indian and US control and Gwadar is a crucial piece of that development paradigm.

indians till eternity, will come up with any straw or any paid up puppet to fear monger on CPEC (and Gwadar for that matter). Soon Pakistan can complete the project better facts that will be on the ground; only thing indians can do at that point is, stare.