Pakistan: You Have One Job

[IrbiS]

Is there any proof of this? Apart from Pakistani claims, that is?

Why do you want proof from a Pakistani rant? you aren't gonna believe me anyway.

btw Are you a Pakistani in China, or a Chinese in Pakistan?

 

[mr42O]

Typical boogeyman syndrome of Pakistanis. The "Islam khatre mai hai" narrative from the time of independence has been shaped in an India-centric way to create a national security state. As the military professional himself said the raison d'etre of Pakistan has been to keep India at bay.

Don't know if all Indians are that blind and stupid or are pretending to be.

Indian general election every party was bashing Pakistan

Pakistani election India was not even discussed and when someone did it was to have better relationship with India.

 

[ice_man]

Never seen 90,000 of these so called darpok lions surrendering at once.

'71.

interesting so you would have preferred it that a million bengalis die while our soldiers fight till last man?

sorry but islam forbids such idiotic behavior.

 

[Mutakalim]

If you study the genetic makeup of people in the Indian sub-continent, your claim is unsustainable. If you are using fair skin as a marker of arabic descent, then you are wrong as well. Fair-skinned indo-aryans who were non-muslims were also converted by force upon the arrival of Muslim invaders, along with the dark-skinned people in the rest of India.

I am not discussing genetic makeup of any race. It is just a reply to indian idiot. My ancestors are Arab.

 

[Pulsar]

It’s Pakistan’s job to restore India’s, and the world’s, confidence in its intentions, and that will not happen with continued terrorist attacks across the border in India, and with blustery rhetoric about using nuclear weapons. Tackling terror, all terror, should be job number one for Islamabad.

Pakistan: You Have One Job

That's asking for the Moon. Exporting terrorism into India is Pakistan state policy. This has been written in stone. They are Pakistan's 'strategic assets', the first line of defence in the event of a war against India and a convenient tool to carry out PA's proxy war, using them as cannon fodder. It's cost effective. This way, no Pak soldiers' lives are put on the line.

Thus asking Pakistan to dismantle their terrorist infrastructure, is like asking a croc to shed its skin!

 

[IrbiS]

If you study the genetic makeup of people in the Indian sub-continent, your claim is unsustainable. If you are using fair skin as a marker of arabic descent, then you are wrong as well. Fair-skinned indo-aryans who were non-muslims were also converted by force upon the arrival of Muslim invaders, along with the dark-skinned people in the rest of India.

Buddy we came here already Muslims from, ever heard Afghanistan, Iran?

No because India was quite friendly towards the Soviet Union, the sole reason why Pakistan could play the US against for so long. It seems counter-intuitive that India would sell weapons to the Mujahideen...towards what end? So some proof would make your utterly unbelievable story slightly more believable.

It's also unbelievable that your zionist friends were also supplying weapons through us those days when they badly wanted to bomb our facilities. That's the dirty truth about espionage.

You guys sold Soviet weapons through CIA while we delivered 'em. But I don't think ISI is kinda source you are ready to believe.

 

[Neemo neemo]

interesting so you would have preferred it that a million bengalis die while our soldiers fight till last man?

sorry but islam forbids such idiotic behavior.

How would have bengali died if Islam forbids such violence?

You just contradicted your statement.

 

[IrbiS]

People of Persian descent are not Arabic. Sorry to break the news to you. Unless you are Shia, in which case you will be accepted with open arms in Iran, the Sunni Arabs of Saudi Arabia consider you to be part of the same group of non-Arabic vassals over whom they have moral, religious and cultural superiority.

I didn't claim to be an Arab, I was talking about your forced conversion khayal.

 

[Mutakalim]

Hardly any Arabs came to the Indian sub-continent. Even the invaders who were already Muslims when they came here were mostly from Afghanistan, Samarkand etc.

Strictly speaking my ancestors are not invaders as they are not part of invading forces which comes from Afghanistan, Iran and Central Asia. Your statement is true only to that extant.

Arab came to Indian subcontinent even before the advent of Islam. There were Arab settlers in coastal areas of sub continent and Serendib (Now Sirilanka).

Sorry, no Arab ancestry for you unless you can provide at least one example in your geneology that is from Arabia. I am not saying it is impossible, just that it is highly improbable.

I avoided this statement in my previous reply but for your consumption I am writing this.
Shah Muhammad Ghous Arrived at Uch near Multan. He is a direct descendant of Abdul Qadir son of Abu Saleh Musa.
I think that is enough.

 

[Mutakalim]

Fine. I think that settles that as far as your personal Arab ancestry is concerned.

Thanks. If you allow me i want to edit that information.

But people like you are a tiny minority of Muslims in the subcontinent. Also, most of the Muslims here are not even the descendants of Invaders. Their ancestors were locals who converted to Islam. In any case, I do not believe that a person is an invader unless he doesn't consider himself to be a local.

Agreed.
But you should also keep in mind that these indians are just shameless creatures. Logic doesn't work on all of them.

1. Forced conversions at the pain of death.
2. Voluntary conversions of Hindu dalits to escape the oppression of the caste system.
3. Conversion under gradual duress to escape the tyranny of jizya and to enjoy better status in society.
4. Forced/voluntary conversion of tribals who were not under any organized religion earlier.

Role of these things in conversion is very minor. Neglecting the role of Sufia is plain dishonesty. If the theory of forced conversion is true then there will be no more hindus left in India.

 

[Hulk]

Alyssa Ayres


Over the weekend, Pakistan’s national security advisor, Sartaj Aziz, called off planned talks with India’s national security advisor after a series of public disagreements escalated to the point of no return. Islamabad and New Delhi failed to agree on the scope of the agenda, despite a clear joint statement issued by Prime Ministers Nawaz Sharif and Narendra Modi during their meeting last month in Ufa, Russia, which had set the parameters for India-Pakistan dialogue in coming months. Most press accounts indicate that Pakistan sought to expand the NSAs’ agenda from the single subject of “terrorism” agreed upon at Ufa to include discussion of Kashmir. Compounding things, India reiterated its redline, developed by the Modi government last summer, against Pakistani officials meeting with separatists from Jammu and Kashmir on the margins of Indo-Pak talks. The Pakistani High Commission in New Delhi invited Kashmiri separatists to a reception, so between the redline and the soiree invite grew an impasse.

Hafiz Saeed (C), head of the Jamaat-ud-Dawa organisation and founder of Lashkar-e-Taiba, waves to his supporters as he leads the rally to mark Pakistan Day (Resolution Day) in Islamabad March 23, 2014. (Mohsin Raza/Courtesy Reuters)

The Pakistani external affairs ministry statement issued August 22, canceling the NSA meeting, stated that talks “would not serve any purpose, if conducted on the basis of the two conditions laid down” [by India]. Pakistan’s position is that India and Pakistan have many issues to discuss, and terrorism has always been part of a larger composite dialogue. Islamabad believes talks have little value if not covering the full range of matters in dispute, of which no doubt the two neighbors have many. New Delhi has maintained that “talks and terror” cannot go together, reiterated by External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj in her August 22 press conference about the talks, and that tackling terrorism should be the first step toward a sequenced resumption of a fuller dialogue.

Let’s put aside quibbles over a meeting agenda and whether and how Pakistani officials should or should not meet with Kashmiri separatists. Here’s the larger context for the aborted India-Pakistan NSA talks: About a month ago, on July 27, terrorists attacked across the international border, in Gurdaspur, in Indian Punjab. On August 5, another attack took place in Udhampur, in the Jammu region of Jammu & Kashmir. One of the attackers was caught, said his name was Naveed Yakub from Faisalabad (in Pakistan), and that he had been trained by the Lashkar-e-Taiba. Each of these incidents generated speculation that India would call off the NSA meet, but New Delhi did not let the attacks undo the promise made by Modi and Sharif at Ufa.

That India and Pakistan were unable to agree on the agenda and the appropriate way to handle questions of Kashmir is certainly unfortunate. But make no mistake: given the history of terrorist attacks on India emanating from Pakistani territory over the past two decades, the onus now rests with Pakistan to step forward and ensure a terror-free atmosphere for discussion of difficult political matters. Yes, Pakistanis too are victims of terror, and that is not in dispute. But the state has international obligations in countering terror, not least in upholding the sanctions regime put in place by United Nations Security Council resolutions. Aziz did not address the issue of Pakistan-based terror, instead launching into Soviet-style whataboutism, brandishing a dossier about alleged Indian involvement in Baluchistan and complaining that India offers insufficient evidence to support its allegations of terror groups in Pakistan.

What has Pakistan done to tackle terror groups operating from its soil? Pakistan selectively mounts counterterrorism campaigns in one part of the country, while permitting a UN and U.S.-designated terrorist organization, the Lashkar-e-Taiba, and its leader Hafiz Saeed to openly hold public rallies and continue “humanitarian” work and alms collection in its largest cities like Lahore and Karachi. The perpetrators of the 2008 Mumbai attacks have not been brought to justice either, with a trial submerged by delays ad infinitum, and with one of the conspirators released on bail this year. The Haqqani network, another organization under UN and U.S. terrorism designations, appears untouched by Pakistan’s selective counterterrorism effort, and following Taliban leader Mullah Omar’s death, a Haqqani has now ascended to the leadership ranks of the Taliban. In belated recognition of this problem, the Obama administration has apparently withheld certification that Pakistan’s counterterrorism campaign has damaged the Haqqani network. These are only the barest outlines of the problem; suffice it to say that none of this looks like a state fighting comprehensively to rid the country of the scourge of terrorism.


No one disputes that India and Pakistan have a terrible relationship, and could draw up a laundry list of an agenda even longer than the eight points of their current dialogue structure. Frankly, they probably should. But Pakistan needs to stop shifting the blame from the terrorism problem that is chewing up its own society and causing enmity with its neighbors. (Pakistan’s problems are not just with India: Two weeks ago a frustrated President Ashraf Ghani called upon Pakistan to rein in the terrorists who attack Afghanistan.) But instead of expressions of remorse about the lost opportunity for the NSAs to meet, on August 24 the Pakistani paper Dawn quoted Aziz saying, “Modi’s India acts as if they are a regional superpower, we are a nuclear-armed country and we know how to defend ourselves.” Does this sound like a country serious about negotiations and taking steps to resolve decades-long disputes?

It’s Pakistan’s job to restore India’s, and the world’s, confidence in its intentions, and that will not happen with continued terrorist attacks across the border in India, and with blustery rhetoric about using nuclear weapons. Tackling terror, all terror, should be job number one for Islamabad.

Pakistan: You Have One Job

The day will never come when they can act on terrorist. It is possible that they might contain or stop it, but cannot punish them at all. I remember someone here maybe @Oscar admitted it. He said that since they know lot of secrets which will dent government's image it is simply not possible to punish them.

Pakistan fully knows what they are doing and has no intention to stop it.

 

[SQ8]

The day will never come when they can act on terrorist. It is possible that they might contain or stop it, but cannot punish them at all. I remember someone here maybe @Oscar admitted it. He said that since they know lot of secrets which will dent government's image it is simply not possible to punish them.

Pakistan fully knows what they are doing and has no intention to stop it.

What do you mean Oscar admitted that? What sort of low level sick mentality do you Indians like you posses anyway?
Do you realize that neither me, or ANY of these people are responsible for the acts that our governments do? Do you think that any of these people going about their lives are equally responsible to be hanged over what Kasab did? or people like Hafiz Saeed?
Their defence of their country notwithstanding these people may be misled, may be emotional; but at no point did they pull the trigger or carry out anything that deserves them such contempt that like I see here from across the border that today I can AFFIRMATIVELY say bears vile hatred that is not even deserving of the title of animals since they too have limits.

Admit? Only the most hypocritical and inhumane of mindsets can think that a young child or a normal student going about their business would have influenced the Taliban or somehow himself responsible for being brainwashed?

My recognition of the faults in my nation is an excuse for pathetic individuals like you to start masturbating yourselves?

Your ungrateful pieces of filth think that just because your country managed to retain a sense of democracy, that it retained some guiding leadership that kept its elite at bay from stepping over its people, you have a right to consider us lower? Less decent than the nation whose news either consists of rape or caste wars?

Maybe we should not change, maybe we should think of you people as nothing more than a nation whose national past time seems to revolve around groping their women's privates in public.

Maybe I am wrong, maybe my countrymen are right about your lot?
Is the entire Indian population filled with vindictive bloodthirsty psychopaths who will rape, kill and maim Pakistanis under this hate? I am now inclined to believe so.

And I dont do this, but I will now. See now this example right there. There is no limit to which our agreeing, or talks will satisfy this hatred, this bloodlust. These people are not interested in apologies, they are not interested in peace or negotiations.. they want you dead Pakistan, your women raped, your children burnt and your lives destroyed.They will ONLY accept you as slaves and nothing else.

That is the ONLY satisfaction that will satisfy them. All this talk of them being wrong, victims of terrorism is just an excuse to keep their justifications of hate alive against the world conciousness. These are NOT people you want as friends, nor people you have any choice but nuclear holocaust with. They wont stop until they either make you their slaves, or make war where it burns the skins of their own families.

I wonder what difference is there between this mentality, and what drove Kasab.

NOTHING.

@Zarvan @Areesh @DESERT FIGHTER @IceCold @Pomegranate
Tag anybody(and everybody) else you like, because these people and their view of us now needs to be highlighted and any illusions of them thinking of EVER resolving issues regardless of how low we stoop for them are delusional on our part.

 

[N/A]

Quite a double standard we have been seeing from the Indian people Indian people lately. After India banned the Pakistani move WAAR due to the Indian story line, did actors upon hearing the ban come out and say make childish remarks such as they had lost faith in India...no. Now when it comes to our turn to ban a Indian movie we hear such idiotic claims and are depicted as narrow minded individuals. Now i ask the question, is such a double standard fair.

 

[Beta-Fighter]

Quite a double standard we have been seeing from the Indian people Indian people lately. After India banned the Pakistani move WAAR due to the Indian story line, did actors upon hearing the ban come out and say make childish remarks such as they had lost faith in India...no. Now when it comes to our turn to ban a Indian movie we hear such idiotic claims and are depicted as narrow minded individuals. Now i ask the question, is such a double standard fair.

Before WAAR how many movies you banned? List will be more then 10 +...........

 

[N/A]

Before WAAR how many movies you banned? List will be more then 10 +...........

Indian Logic: lets make an anti-Pakistani movie and lets hope its a block buster in Pakistan. Have some common logic, do you expect us to proudly display an anti-Pakistan film. Unlike Indians, when our movies get banned, we don't create a huge drama