Featured Pakistan will proceed on Kashmir issue with or without Saudi Arabia : SM Qureshi

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I am a Paksitani kiya ho gia hai tum logon ko agar koi different views rakhta hai to tum loog pichay hi per jatay ho

yeah nae bata skty itnay khatarnak views hain yeah risk nae lay skty apni location batany ka

Why are you typing in Hindi?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

once upon a time i have same views too its just normal person grow up and get old and all of his views changed with time . he seems to be young man i think we should have respect his views no matter what they are

@truthfollower seems to me in his early 20s . when i was in 20s i have radical views about many things .

Alternatiiv maybe is your 20 year old self, he is our Patriot, regardless of different views. You sir also are our Pakistani brother.

Unless you became like Adnan Sami, you are stuck with us, sir ji.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

hehehhe wo kiya hota hai

doesnt know what domicile is..
not only an indian but also a high school kid...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

doesnt know what domicile is..
not only an indian but also a high school kid...

He won't reveal his city, otherwise he will be quizzed on it and fail. Confirmed Indian.

Hope Mods take care of this.

 

[truthfollower]

He won't reveal his city, otherwise he will be quizzed on it and fail. Confirmed Indian.

Hope Mods take care of this.

 

[HAIDER]

War is ultimate solution and right now Trump is angry at India, because they refused Trump mediation. China is already angry on Indian claim on CPEC route. Russia is not interested , since India foreign policy is not clear on US-Russian current affair.
Pakistan will eventually go for limited war for Kashmir. But before PA will clean Pak-Afghan border, because India will activate there proxies in FATA and Baluchistan.
Kashmir has no political solution. UAE and KSA has already signed billions of dollar project in India. So, don't expect any support.

 

[Clutch]

Pakistan walks away.
Turkey leaves shortly afterwards.
Iran shrugs shoulders and says goodbye.

What you'll have is an Arab league part 2, only with colourful countries from Africa and South East Asia watching wtf is this all about now.....

It would be an interesting development if Pakistan and company walk away from impotent OIC and instead India ends up joining the organization... Quite a farcical makeup then...

 

[HAIDER]

It would be an interesting development if Pakistan and company walk away from impotent OIC and instead India ends up joining the organization... Quite a farcical makeup then...

Unfortunately or fortunately, Pakistan is there father and founding " father" member of OIC.

 

[GumNaam]

Self-appointed through treachery, lets never forget that, Hejaz should be seen as occupied just like Jeruselem.

not for long. there have been rumors that the saud tribe is ethnically jewish...who knows.

 

[HAIDER]

not for long. there have been rumors that the saud tribe is ethnically jewish...who knows.

Yes, they are jewish tribe migrated from Basra, Iraq .

 

[Meengla]

If on one hand the US Government wanted to eliminate the Saudi Monarchy and on the other hand Pakistan was protecting them with boots on the ground, the only way for the US to achieve their aim would be to wage a war with Saudi Arabia. That is the resolve of Pakistanis when it comes to protection of Saudi Arabia, and the leadership. Pakistanis would die willingly, by the million, in protection of Saudi Arabia, which Pakistanis also link to the Saudi Monarchy.

NO other nation would be willing to do that, and that is the fact that we need to exploit. There is no point in going out of the way to please Saudi Arabia unless they reciprocate.

@PakFactor [just including you as you asked for]
Why should Pakistanis die for a monarchy which displays filthy and shallow way to express it's public life?! Why? I am not being ungrateful for the help the Saudis have time and again extended to Pakistan. I strongly believe they did that NOT because Pakistan can protect them but because the Saudis really see Pakistan as an honest brother friend. But that friendship has its limits too, from both sides and that has reflected in the public policies of both countries. Let me try to explain that.

Pakistan had remained more or less neutral on numerous occasions--the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, to the first Gulf War, to the second Gulf War, the Syrian war, the Yemen war... All these wars had serious security implications for Saudi Arabia. Why did Pakistan do that? Because, for one thing, while the Saudis have been helpful to Pakistan, the Saudis could have done a LOT more; the Saudi royal family probably spends more on luxury lifestyle every year than the entire Pakistani yearly defense budget!! And maybe the reasons Saudis don't do more for Pakistan is because the Saudis know that Pakistan, beyond a token division or two of armed forces, simply cannot afford to 'protect' Saudi Arabia when Pakistan is facing a two-front war since 2001; and that war would become a THREE front war had Pakistan committed more to Saudi Arabia. This forum has a lot of defense experts. Ask them to 'game' a scenario where the United States makes some deals with one of the regional players to oust the House of Saud! See what Pakistan can do. And please don't bring up the Pakistani nukes--they will be decimated as soon as they are detected in a hostile posture toward American interests!

To re-affirm, there are not doubt brotherly ties between the two countries and a deep trust. But they are, in fact, TWO different countries and are, in fact, even less of 'natural' allies than America-Canada are, because of geographical and Pakistan's own security compulsions. Pakistani and Saudi planners have always known about the limits of the relations and about potential quid pro quo.

Pakistan should appreciate and help the Saudis who have helped Pakistan time and again, although they could have done a LOT MORE for Pakistan. Often the Saudis did it because of faith in Pakistan. In return, Pakistan cannot offer the Saudis what the Saudis might need for the Saudi security. Pakistan itself is just coming out of a decade+ horrible period of terrorism and still faces a 2-front war.

I am not one of those who raise the shallow slogans of 'Pakistan First'. Pakistan had always been first and Pakistan had to be first. Pakistan is not a country in the middle of nowhere. Since 1947, there had always been a specter of two front wars and except for between 1996-2001, when the Talibans ruled Afghanistan, Pakistan has been facing the threat of two front war since 1979. Lowering the guard or strategic over-reach is suicidal for Pakistan!

 

[PakFactor]

@PakFactor [just including you as you asked for]
Why should Pakistanis die for a monarchy which displays filthy and shallow way to express it's public life?! Why? I am not being ungrateful for the help the Saudis have time and again extended to Pakistan. I strongly believe they did that NOT because Pakistan can protect them but because the Saudis really see Pakistan as an honest brother friend. But that friendship has its limits too, from both sides and that has reflected in the public policies of both countries. Let me try to explain that.

Pakistan had remained more or less neutral on numerous occasions--the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s, to the first Gulf War, to the second Gulf War, the Syrian war, the Yemen war... All these wars had serious security implications for Saudi Arabia. Why did Pakistan do that? Because, for one thing, while the Saudis have been helpful to Pakistan, the Saudis could have done a LOT more; the Saudi royal family probably spends more on luxury lifestyle every year than the entire Pakistani yearly defense budget!! And maybe the reasons Saudis don't do more for Pakistan is because the Saudis know that Pakistan, beyond a token division or two of armed forces, simply cannot afford to 'protect' Saudi Arabia when Pakistan is facing a two-front war since 2001; and that war would become a THREE front war had Pakistan committed more to Saudi Arabia. This forum has a lot of defense experts. Ask them to 'game' a scenario where the United States makes some deals with one of the regional players to oust the House of Saud! See what Pakistan can do. And please don't bring up the Pakistani nukes--they will be decimated as soon as they are detected in a hostile posture toward American interests!

To re-affirm, there are not doubt brotherly ties between the two countries and a deep trust. But they are, in fact, TWO different countries and are, in fact, even less of 'natural' allies than America-Canada are, because of geographical and Pakistan's own security compulsions. Pakistani and Saudi planners have always known about the limits of the relations and about potential quid pro quo.

Pakistan should appreciate and help the Saudis who have helped Pakistan time and again, although they could have done a LOT MORE for Pakistan. Often the Saudis did it because of faith in Pakistan. In return, Pakistan cannot offer the Saudis what the Saudis might need for the Saudi security. Pakistan itself is just coming out of a decade+ horrible period of terrorism and still faces a 2-front war.

I am not one of those who raise the shallow slogans of 'Pakistan First'. Pakistan had always been first and Pakistan had to be first. Pakistan is not a country in the middle of nowhere. Since 1947, there had always been a specter of two front wars and except for between 1996-2001, when the Talibans ruled Afghanistan, Pakistan has been facing the threat of two front war since 1979. Lowering the guard or strategic over-reach is suicidal for Pakistan!

Very well said and some hard truths as well.

You bring up a two front war we’ve always faced before USSR toppled and Taliban took over, this has very seldom been brought up in the past or never have. We basically failed to help Taliban establish their writ early on and develop a proper governance system; could’ve solved lots of issues, we dropped the ball and paying the price. I’m sure had Zia been alive he would’ve completed his strategic depth plan and possibly incorporated Afghan into Pakistan, but even here our top brass (Armed Forces) dropped the ball and never looked across the border after his death; their was no vision within the military circle. Even among the military their is no forward planing to go beyond a certain threshold, and that separates Pakistan from other powers who exert more to establish their influence.

Pakistan has the right geography but had worthless leaders that trashed the economy a potential power house that’s been lowered to a mere play thing by regional and international players. Doing others dirty work or tagging along. This WoT, Mushy could have asked the West to cut its debt and open the country to foreign investments and conditions for Pakistan’s participation; but they feel to fast in-front of US and dragged their own faces in the mud a nuclear power slapped.

Beyond providing security the Saudis never looked at us as anything besides a source of cheap labor.

At the moment we have two choices either we exert economic force by rebuilding the economy and provide something the region/world needs or go full blown militaristic for survival. My opinion is of the ladder as the West have the strings to either make or break Pakistan at this critical juncture.

 

[achhu]

I think I may have forgotten my earlier post.

I respect your opinions. Also there’s a slight bit of miscommunication.

In the greater picture, I wanted the Uyghur people to return to their Turkic Islamic roots. This is much beyond the scope of South Asian & Central Asian politics.

Great Jinnah Bey said “Hindu & Muslim cannot co-exist”. I am full supporter of Quaid-i-Azam’s teachings in terms of modern nation-states.

That being said, the Muslim-majority Kashmir & parts of North India DO NOT belong in “Hindustan”. Those people fully deserve the manifestation of their political wishes.

. lol

 

[achhu]

The Kuran-i Kerim take its revenge by HIS PERMISSION. And, it's no pretty scene....

*A historical note: Sherif Hussein gave an idea to the British on how to compel the beleaguered Ottoman garrison in Medina. As per that, the British flew some planes from Egypt and distributed pamphlets over Medina: surrender and leave it to Sherif Hussein, or we will bomb Medina which includes the Revza-i Mubarek. A great confusion and dissention took place among the Turkish officers, who ultimately took the decision to leave the post for they understood what the outcome of that bombing would be...

that was a right decision.

 

[achhu]

India is murdering Muslims and stealing Muslim lands .. this is enough of a reason

no way , most if the countries are seeing india from last 70 years , we are secular democracy, we have made many Muslims president of india .no propaganda can deny it.

Good move

It's time to lay it on the line

India is a enemy of all Muslims and atleast a enemy of Pakistan


Either we push these states to harm India


Or what use is OIC
What use is friendships and partnerships when a poisonous anti muslim enemy like India is allowed to get away

Pakistan needs to make the case, India is a poisonous communal hindutva extremist shithole and all Muslim states need to know

world does not see through pakistanis lense . Indian Muslims are happy with hindus , they decided to live with their hindu brothers.