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If there were an award for committing international public relations suicide, Pakistan would be a perennial frontrunner. Last week's effort: the sentencing of Shakil Afridi, a doctor who helped the CIA track Osama bin Laden last year, to 33 years in prison for treason. In response, the U.S. Congress docked a symbolic $33 million from Pakistan's annual aid budget, or $1 million for every year of the doctor's sentence.

Washington's anger is understandable. In the year since bin Laden was discovered in a fortified mansion in the garrison town of Abbottabad, Pakistan has done little to dispel the widespread belief that the world's most wanted terrorist was sheltered by elements in the country's army and its spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence. Nobody has been punished for aiding bin Laden, part of a pattern of omissions whose beneficiaries certainly include the rogue nuclear scientist A. Q. Khan and Lashkar-e-Taiba's Hafiz Muhammad Saeed.

But as U.S.-Pakistan relations continue to nosedive, the risks for Islamabad run deeper than a mere PR disaster. For the first time since the country came into being in 1947, Pakistan is in danger of being seen as implacably hostile to the West. Should the U.S. switch from a policy of engagement to active containment, Pakistan's economic and diplomatic problems, already acute by any measure, may become unmanageable.

Dr. Afridi's punishment is only the most recent example of Pakistan's slide away from its founding pro-Western moorings. Earlier this month, Islamabad annoyed NATO countries at a summit on Afghanistan in Chicago by refusing to reopen overland supply routes it shut after the U.S. mistakenly killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in a border clash last November. Pakistan's negotiators are reportedly demanding upward of $5,000 per supply truck, more than 20 times what they charged six months ago.

In Pakistan itself, rampant anti-Americanism shows no sign of abating. Last week the Supreme Court suspended Farahnaz Ispahani, a close aide to President Asif Ali Zardari and an outspoken defender of human rights, from the lower house of the legislature. Her alleged crime: having acquired a U.S. passport in addition to the Pakistani one she was born with.

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Dr. Shakil Afridi, who helped track Osama bin Laden, was sentenced to 33 years in prison.

Meanwhile, cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan continues to attract thousands of supporters to public rallies where he fulminates against America and declares affection for the Taliban. A Pew Research Center survey released last month shows that only 55% of Pakistani Muslims disapprove of al Qaeda. In Lebanon and Jordan that figure is 98% and 77% respectively.

Oddly enough, for many Pakistani elites, their compatriots' loathing of America is somehow Washington's problem rather than theirs. They see Pakistan, with its nuclear arsenal and proxy terrorist groups, as too big to fail. In the final analysis, their view holds, the U.S. will always be there to prop up Pakistan's ailing economy with aid and support from multilateral agencies such as the International Monetary Fund.

These elites are encouraged to think this way because a superficial reading of U.S.-Pakistani history supports this view. For the most part, Washington has not allowed episodic disagreements to get in the way of the larger relationship. Even Islamabad's clandestine acquisition of nuclear weapons in the 1980s, and proliferation to Iran and North Korea in the 1990s, did not lead to a complete rupture in ties.

Even now, only a handful of hotheads in Washington are calling for all assistance to Islamabad to be scrapped. Most responsible Pakistan-watchers, both inside and outside the U.S. government, would rather fix the relationship than scrap it.

Nonetheless, Pakistanis who expect the future to faithfully echo the past tend to forget one important detail: Pakistan has never confronted the West in the fashion it is today.

The country's founders were drawn largely from the ranks of Indian Muslims who embraced Western learning and acknowledged Western power. Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the father of Pakistan, instinctively understood that he could better advance his interests by coming to terms with the West than by opposing it.

Successive generations of Pakistani leaders, from Ayub Khan to Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto to Gen. Zia ul-Haq to Gen. Pervez Musharraf, stayed true to this belief. Even when they pursued policies at odds with U.S. interests—Gen. Zia's nuclear bomb or Gen. Musharraf's double-dealing in Afghanistan—they were careful to avoid sustained public confrontation. They knew it was counterproductive to needle a superpower they depended on for both resources and global credibility.

Pakistan's current rulers, especially the powerful army that calls the shots on national security policy, forget this lesson at their peril. The U.S. may not want to see Pakistan fail, but nor can it be expected to be endlessly patient.

Pakistan's dismal favorability rating in America means there's no real political cost to bringing Islamabad to heel by stepping up drone strikes, giving it a diplomatic cold shoulder and withholding financial support—all at the same time. Washington may even choose to add targeted sanctions against top ISI officials directly implicated in supporting terrorism.

Pakistan is playing a game of chicken without fully grasping the consequences of losing. The shrewd and practical Jinnah would have recognized the folly of this course. His successors have already betrayed his message of religious tolerance at home, and now they're on track to subvert his legacy abroad
 
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And it is nonsense. We have not opposed western ideals of democracy and freedom - in fact only improved our support for them over the years especially by knocking off a military dictator, establishing freedom of the judiciary and the freedom of the press.

The article makes an assertion of Pakistan going against the west and then narrates reasons why the US is angry with Pakistan - doesn't that suggest that the the US has turned against Pakistan? Westernism has nothing to do with Shakil Afridi, we have sentenced him for aiding and abetting a foreign intelligence service which is strictly unlawful in Pakistan. The US did the same with Ghulam Nabi Fai when they sentenced him for having links with Pakistan over mere campaigning for a very just Kashmir cause. Moreover the US also didn't backout when Johnathan Pollard was found aiding Mossad - very close allies of the US. Shakil Afridi has been sentenced by a free judiciary and not a single person in Pakistan can do anything about forcing our judiciary to give a not guilty verdict.

It is understandable that the US is acting in rash anger and forgetting that we are only acting in line with westernism - a westernism practiced by the US and it should applaud our efforts to parrot the US in this regard despite its actions against us.
 
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Post the link.

And it is nonsense. We have not opposed western ideals of democracy and freedom - in fact only improved our support for them over the years especially by knocking off a military dictator, establishing freedom of the judiciary and the freedom of the press.

The article makes an assertion of Pakistan going against the west and then narrates reasons why the US is angry with Pakistan - doesn't that suggest that the the US has turned against Pakistan? Westernism has nothing to do with Shakil Afridi, we have sentenced him for aiding and abetting a foreign intelligence service which is strictly unlawful in Pakistan. The US did the same with Ghulam Nabi Fai when they sentenced him for having links with Pakistan over mere campaigning for a very just Kashmir cause. Moreover the US also didn't backout when Johnathan Pollard was found aiding Mossad - very close allies of the US. Shakil Afridi has been sentenced by a free judiciary and not a single person in Pakistan can do anything about forcing our judiciary to give a not guilty verdict.

It is understandable that the US is acting in rash anger and forgetting that we are only acting in line with westernism - a westernism practiced by the US and it should applaud our efforts to parrot the US in this regard despite its actions against us.

Your argument is not flawed. Judicially, the court did follow the letter of the law. But there is something called spirit of the law as well. If this doctor Afridi had been booked for endangering the lives of Pakistani citizens especially children by giving them doses of medicine and not completing the course - the outrage in the West would have been minimal. Probably the sentence would have been as harsh. But to bring in charges of treason for nabbing Osama - the guy America and the West hates? And while also expecting and negotiating American aid? The American tax payer would be rightly outraged.
 
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Sadanand Dhume: Pakistan Turns on the West - WSJ.com

They have systematically used and abused Pakistan in the WOT and now because we are not bending over we here stories like this trying to smudge the image of Pakistan? Its a gradual slow progress but the world opinion is changing and people can balance the truths up themselves. You cant have 1 rule for yourself and another for everyone else.
Afridi is a side issue - the crux of the issue is they cant get their way and hence are lashing out like a child.
 
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Abbotabad is not a garrison town. It's kind of getting boring now you know.

Your argument is not flawed. Judicially, the court did follow the letter of the law. But there is something called spirit of the law as well. If this doctor Afridi had been booked for endangering the lives of Pakistani citizens especially children by giving them doses of medicine and not completing the course - the outrage in the West would have been minimal. Probably the sentence would have been as harsh. But to bring in charges of treason for nabbing Osama - the guy America and the West hates? And while also expecting and negotiating American aid? The American tax payer would be rightly outraged.

Treason is treason. THe consequences of that act are not in the picture, a presidential pardon is the only way he has (maybe the US can pressurize Zardari), but he has been convicted. Besides, he also has a fraud surgery case against him as well. And it is the account on which he was charged officially, and that is why it was in FATA under FCR.
 
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How the USA has forgotten its own double dealings and stabs in the back. The problem is that the USA's image is tarnished and it's honour under attack. How dare Muslims stand up to the mighty west. Also like many other empires, it was easy to get into the land of the horses but bloody difficult to get out. Much has been lost and nothing gained. The US imagined that the people would line the streets with roses and welcome them with open arms. Ask the British how they fared or the Russians. So like Vietnam, the USA has decided to bomb the neighbours instead! and Pakistan is the easy option. Economically weak and politically unstable with two hot borders, hence it will be easy to bribe and smack the Paks at the same time.

But a country that has had the cold kiss of betrayal from the USA is not likely to trust it again and hence all the USA harangue's threats and pressure is failing. Pakistan is showing true grit against the mighty USA and the mighty USA is pissed off.
 
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Your argument is not flawed. Judicially, the court did follow the letter of the law. But there is something called spirit of the law as well. If this doctor Afridi had been booked for endangering the lives of Pakistani citizens especially children by giving them doses of medicine and not completing the course - the outrage in the West would have been minimal. Probably the sentence would have been as harsh. But to bring in charges of treason for nabbing Osama - the guy America and the West hates? And while also expecting and negotiating American aid? The American tax payer would be rightly outraged.

We too are talking about the spirit of the law. The CIA is conducting illegal activities within Pakistan which has resulted in the murder of two youngsters by the CIA acting Station Chief, Raymond Davis.

Moreover all the Drone attacks have been declared illegal by Amnesty International - which are also conducted by the CIA. By the admission of white house aides, Obama may not have killed a single militant by the drone attacks since they have been declaring all adult males killed in the drone attacks as militants.

In this scenario, the CIA becomes a bigger villain for Pakistan than anything related to Pakistan. If he was helping them illegally pluck flowers from a garden, he still deserves a treason sentencing since its after all not a verdict for him plucking flowers but for aiding a horrible organization such as the CIA.

Also no one is negotiating American aid, they are asking to use our soil for transport of goods to their military bases. We have given them a price which is 50% of what they are paying while going through the north. Moreover the American taxpayer is not really outraged, but there is an attempt to make them outraged by concealing relevant facts and trickling information whenever convenient and holding whenever suitable.

Which holds more true that the US has turned against Pakistan rather than Pakistan having any anti-western goals, if anything we are becoming more and more westernized.
 
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Few months ago when Dr. Afridi was first placed under arrest,I remember one Pakistani member proclaiming that the average American doesn't care about him and that he was an expendable contact in the bigger scheme of things.It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that sh*t was about to go sour between the United States and Pakistan.

The complicated affair between Washington and Islamabad was never about moral right or wrong,much rather about perceived costs and benefits.How did Pakistan benefit from convicting Dr.Afridi; Does it restore the broken pride in the aftermath of the OBL raid? Did it prevent escalation of animosity with the United States? Would it have hurt to stall legal proceedings till the bilateral ties improved? The jury(no pun intended) is still out on those.What you undeniably can see is Pakistan paying for the costs incurred .I hope Pakistan finds the current situation worth convicting one person.
 
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We too are talking about the spirit of the law. The CIA is conducting illegal activities within Pakistan which has resulted in the murder of two youngsters by the CIA acting Station Chief, Raymond Davis.

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WHO KNOWS IF THEY ARE EXACTLY ILLEGAL OR APPROVED BY YOUR GOVT / MILITARY BUT ARE JUST HIDING THE FACT JUST TO PREVENT PUBLIC BACK LASH
 
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Few months ago when Dr. Afridi was first placed under arrest,I remember one Pakistani member proclaiming that the average American doesn't care about him and that he was an expendable contact in the bigger scheme of things.It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that sh*t was about to go sour between the United States and Pakistan.

The complicated affair between Washington and Islamabad were never about moral right or wrong,much rather about perceived costs and benefits.How did Pakistan benefit from convicting Dr.Afridi; Does it restore the broken pride in the aftermath of the OBL raid? Did it prevent escalation of animosity with the United States? Would it have hurt to stall legal proceedings till the bilateral ties improved? The jury(no pun intended) is still out on those.What you undeniably can see is Pakistan paying for the costs incurred .I hope Pakistan finds the current situation worth convicting one person.

The issue that Pakistan's Foreign policy has been outsourced to its people and its politicians doesn't give leeway to take into consideration larger implications of geo politics and relations between PK and the US. The issue becomes internal, the sentencing of Dr.Afridi was driven by its people's sentiments.

I can draw a similar parallel to the holding of Italian marines and India's vote on human rights violations against Sri Lanka. Geo politics for a better relation between India - Italy would have seen a lenient approach to the castigation of the marines, but that was put aside and the people's anger was considered. India for the sake of its relations with SL would have preferred to vote against the UN bill, but did owing to domestic compulsions.

Pakistan is going through a phase where it;s people's sentiments drives the policies, not overall geo political goals.
 
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what the west fails to understand is that Shakil's matter is Pakistan's personal matter... So they must stop poking their nose..

Secondly, if people like Shakil are left without punishment, next time a Pakistani might be helping a Taliban because he thinks that the army is the enemy of the state...
 
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The issue that Pakistan's Foreign policy has been outsourced to its people and its politicians doesn't give leeway to take into consideration larger implications of geo politics and relations between PK and the US. The issue becomes internal, the sentencing of Dr.Afridi was driven by its people's sentiments.

I can draw a similar parallel to the holding of Italian marines and India's vote on human rights violations against Sri Lanka. Geo politics for a better relation between India - Italy would have seen a lenient approach to the castigation of the marines, but that was put aside and the people's anger was considered. India for the sake of its relations with SL would have preferred to vote against the UN bill, but did owing to domestic compulsions.

Pakistan is going through a phase where it;s people's sentiments drives the policies, not overall geo political goals.

I get what you are trying to imply but one can't draw a parallel between India and Pakistan.New Delhi really isn't beholden to any foreign entity like Pakistan is.India can circumnavigate around Western diktats because India can and does stand alone.
 
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