Pakistan - Turkey (PAC-TAI) Collaboration for NGFA-TFX 5th Gen Aircraft l Updates, News & Discussion

[python-000]

Yes of course. It is a 5th generation radar evading fighter jet, its fully stealth so very difficult to detect.


Pakistan doesn't need leverage, they will buy both. Kaan will replace F16s whilst J35 will replace Jf17s and J10s. Of course I am talking 2035+ time. At the moment Pakistan doesn't need both but lucky for us they will be ready when we need them.

PAF Fighter Jets Replacement can be.
F-16 - KAAN
JF-17 - J-35 if Get
Mirage - J-10C
F-7 - JF-17 Block 3 or Block D...

 

[TheSolution]

PAF Fighter Jets Replacement can be.
F-16 - KAAN
JF-17 - J-35 if Get
Mirage - J-10C
F-7 - JF-17 Block 3 or Block D...

2 stealth platforms that are both twin-engined is unlikely

 

[merzifonlu]

PAF Fighter Jets Replacement can be.
F-16 - KAAN
JF-17 - J-35 if Get
Mirage - J-10C
F-7 - JF-17 Block 3 or Block D...

If you can get the J-35, why would you need the J-10C and JF-17? Keeping more than enough aircraft types in inventory will only give you a logistical nightmare.

 

[python-000]

2 stealth platforms that are both twin-engined is unlikely

unlikely for who ?

 

[TheSolution]

unlikely for who ?

For Pakistan

 

[Readerdefence]

Hi
I don’t know why we all forgot about Pakistan & China
relation specific to arms & ammunition deals, Pakistan
will never buy anything from China until it’s been proven
or to some extent according to Pakistani requirements
proven fact is HQ9, Naval ships in terms of fighters J10cccc
please consider C as a big C in terms of PAF satisfaction
so at the moment J35 is not even flying with Chinese Navy
or airforce how come PAF can acquire these fighters let them roll out and if they are ready to be exported to PAF
hopefully we will see them
At the moment no urgency F35 for Indians are available but not round the corner can be 4/6 years down the line
we will soon be having a glimpse of Z10 too in PA once the
upgrades are done according to pak army desire
thank you

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

If you can get the J-35, why would you need the J-10C and JF-17? Keeping more than enough aircraft types in inventory will only give you a logistical nightmare.

Its like saying if you have J-10C then why keeping JF-17s.
Or if you have JF-17s then why keeping Mirages, F-7s. etc.

Obviously we will need J-10C and JF-17s to keep the numbers up. It is always Hi, Low mix. Few high level aircrafts and large number of low/medium tech aircrafts. Whenever PAF will induct 5th gen aircraft it will be atmost 12-18 aircrafts for atleast first decade. I can say for certainty that PAF will have no more than 18 5th gen fighters by 2045. PAF want to induct this capability but it do not have sufficient funds to replace all of its J-10Cs / JF-17s with 5th gen fighters right away. There is a reason why we are still flying second generation F-7s and third generation Mirages. To keep the minimum number of active squadrons.

Lastly, you face logistical problem only when adding a "new" platform. You don't face a logistical problem as such to keep the aircrafts that you have mastered for decades. If PAF inducts 12-18 5th gen fighter lets says in next decade then it will face no problem in keeping its J-10Cs or JF-17s. As PAF already would have trainings, expertise and logistical setups for these aircrafts. Only logistical challenges will be for the newer platform (J-35 or whatever that's being inducted at that time).

PAF Fighter Jets Replacement can be.
F-16 - KAAN
JF-17 - J-35 if Get
Mirage - J-10C
F-7 - JF-17 Block 3 or Block D...

PAF will get a single type of 5th generation aircraft. If its KAAN then there will be no J-35. However, PAF will induct J-10Cs from China to replace Mirages and perhaps even F-16s. and yes ofcourse more JF-17s (block 3 /4) will be procured.

JF-17s are PAF's main aircraft that can sustain attrition and keep the numbers high. Still 50 odd F-7s to be replaced by newer blocks.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[SaadH]

I think this may be the most overt demonstration that KAAN will eventually be in PAF. 200 engineers participating in the program with parts likely to be manufactured by Pakistani subsidiaries of Turkish companies has all but laid the ground work here. Pakistan needs to not only participate fully, but also create its own electronics house which will allow it to modify KAAN to its needs and integrate weapons of its choosing, be they turkish, chinese, Pakistani or western.


I can tell you that in the states, Pakistani origin doctors and engineers are very highly regarded. The issue (vis a vis indians) is there arent enough of them and that Pakistani when they do get established almost exclusively end up in private sector where they dont have any influence in policy, whereas indians end up in every sector (also do very well here). Additionally Pakistani dont get involved in local/state/national politics and dont open their wallets to let the $$$ talk when it comes to politics.

Also Pakistanis throw each other under the bus whereas Indians practice jewish level of nepotism..

 

[Silicon0000]

PAF Fighter Jets Replacement can be.
F-16 - KAAN
JF-17 - J-35 if Get
Mirage - J-10C
F-7 - JF-17 Block 3 or Block D...

I think PAF in 2040+ will be like: KAAN, J-35 Variant, JF17 and Drones. (+ Some Older goodies have some life left).

 

[TheSolution]

I think PAF in 2040+ will be like: KAAN, J-35 Variant, JF17 and Drones. (+ Some Older goodies have some life left).

We are not going to have two separate twin-engine stealth fighters.

 

[python-000]

I think PAF in 2040+ will be like: KAAN, J-35 Variant, JF17 and Drones. (+ Some Older goodies have some life left).

bro, you forget J-10C

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

I think PAF in 2040+ will be like: KAAN, J-35 Variant, JF17 and Drones. (+ Some Older goodies have some life left).

Impossible.
will buy 40+ J-10Cs (or its next version).
~100 JF-17s (next blocks)
Less than a dozen 5th gen fighters (in a best case scenario) . No way we are going to have multiple 5th gen platforms within next 2-3 decades.

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

@arslank03

Would you bother to explain what prompted you for that reaction?

I am not saying PAF will have total inventory of those fighters. I am talking about additional purchases.

So, in a best case scenario by 2040 and if we assume KAAN will be our 5th gen selection:

- A dozen KAAN
- 40+ additional J-10Cs ( or future versions)
- ~100+ more JF-17s (block 3/4)

If you calculate the cost of above you will understand its more than what we can actually afford. We are still flying nearly 200 (second and third generation) fighter aircrafts and I feel it hilarious when people are assuming that we are going to induct multiple 5th gen fighters and that too in numbers. Hopefully with additional JF-17s and additional squadron of J-10Cs we may be able to replace the 2nd / 3rd gen fighters by 2030. As far as 5th gen platform is concerned, KAAN is not going to be produced before 2030. The first units by 2035 will be for sure for Turkish Air force which needs its badly as they were kicked off from F-35 programme.

We just need to be realistic. We have to see our economy, our priorities and then we can see a clear picture.

 

[arslank03]

@arslank03

Would you bother to explain what prompted you for that reaction?

I am not saying PAF will have total inventory of those fighters. I am talking about additional purchases.

So, in a best case scenario by 2040 and if we assume KAAN will be our 5th gen selection:

- A dozen KAAN
- 40+ additional J-10Cs ( or future versions)
- ~100+ more JF-17s (block 3/4)

If you calculate the cost of above you will understand its more than what we can actually afford. We are still flying nearly 200 (second and third generation) fighter aircrafts and I feel it hilarious when people are assuming that we are going to induct multiple 5th gen fighters and that too in numbers. Hopefully with additional JF-17s and additional squadron of J-10Cs we may be able to replace the 2nd / 3rd gen fighters by 2030. As far as 5th gen platform is concerned, KAAN is not going to be produced before 2030. The first units by 2035 will be for sure for Turkish Air force which needs its badly as they were kicked off from F-35 programme.

We just need to be realistic. We have to see our economy, our priorities and then we can see a clear picture.

"Would you bother to explain what prompted you for that reaction?"

finger slipped lol