Pakistan-Turkey 4 Milgem Ada Class Corvettes Contract - Construction started

[TheDarkKnight]

That video was of an older platform which the World Knows as Burraq UCAV. Burraq is a tactical UCAV which requires LOS. The newer bird is not from NESCOM and is from a different entity, is MALE in its true sense and carries A newer Improved and heavier payload. It has a SATCOM link/INS/Jamming/Spoofing Proof protocols. It a different beast.

Well if we are exporting it then it means PAF and PA must be an operator of these drones in a good number. Does this open options for us to take action against sanctuaries in neighboring countries such as Afghanistan?
Also if you dont mind can you let us know of a comparable UCAV to this new Pakistani drone? Is it like CH5 or Predator?
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)

 

[Bilal.]

That would be interesting. We can barely see two or (at best) four fuselage jigs, so reports of an export order for such a system would imply that the UAV line at AMF is much, much bigger now. I don't we we'd be able to balance export orders + domestic needs without said expansion. So, I wonder, did they clear room from the K-8 area, or is it some net-new expansion? OTOH it might take less time to build fuselages, so what we see in the pics is enough?

Per what @JamD had share. 19 jigs have been commissioned at the beginning of 2020. Also We don’t know about the delivery schedule on the said export order. It it could be over next couple or few years:

 

[Ark_Angel]

That would be interesting. We can barely see two or (at best) four fuselage jigs, so reports of an export order for such a system would imply that the UAV line at AMF is much, much bigger now. I don't we we'd be able to balance export orders + domestic needs without said expansion. So, I wonder, did they clear room from the K-8 area, or is it some net-new expansion? OTOH it might take less time to build fuselages, so what we see in the pics is enough?

Own orders being diverted currently to fill the immediate need for the export order. No expansion currently undertaken but it's in the pipeline.

 

[Kabotar]

I have a few questions.

1. Is export order is for new UAV we have developed in house?

2. Is it UAV or UCAV?

3. If it is a UCAV are we also making payloads? Cause that's where repeat ordered are and alot more money.

4. What's the total value of the deal?

Own orders being diverted currently to fill the immediate need for the export order. No expansion currently undertaken but it's in the pipeline.

 

[ziya]

 

[BaybarsHan]

 

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Hizir Torpedo Countermeasure System to be integrated into Pakistani Corvettes

4 KULAÇ Echo sounder Systems export for Pakistan MİLGEM, will be produced and integrated into platforms.

ASELSAN shall supply Combat Systems for four Corvettes to be constructed for Pakistan Navy. In this scope, a contract was signed between ASFAT A.Ş. and ASELSAN on 14th November, 2019.

Source - Aselsan Annual Report 2019

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

I was wondering if Turkey got the license to resell engine and radar considering Ada class uses engine and radar imported from Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada-class_corvette

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I was wondering if Turkey got the license to resell engine and radar considering Ada class uses engine and radar imported from Germany.

Aselsan manufactures the radar domestically. The original OEM -- Thales -- even imports the TRMs from Turkey. So, the radar isn't the issue. And even if it was an issue, the PN can probably import a similar or better radar from Saab or Hensoldt. As for the engines, the PN is able to buy them from Germany itself, there are no restrictions (at least for MTU diesel engines) on that front.

 

[SQ8]

That video was of an older platform which the World Knows as Burraq UCAV. Burraq is a tactical UCAV which requires LOS. The newer bird is not from NESCOM and is from a different entity, is MALE in its true sense and carries A newer Improved and heavier payload. It has a SATCOM link/INS/Jamming/Spoofing Proof protocols. It a different beast.

Whatever happened to SATUMA? It was a private group that had interesting tandem wing configuration which could have been scaled up.
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)

 

[JamD]

Whatever happened to SATUMA? It was a private group that had interesting tandem wing configuration which could have been scaled up.
@Bilal Khan (Quwa)

I don't know if this is a valid way to judge a company but I recently went through their website and I don't think they are doing too well.

They're last military contracts were 2014, after which they have been doing commercial stuff, which in itself is a good thing, but these are small scale things so looks more like desperation and less like diversification.

Secondly, their product line seems to be scaled version of the same basic design. I feel like they've got too many models that don't distinguish themselves from each other.

Thirdly, since the military is now making their own UAVs in large numbers I think SATUMA has lost that market.

On a separate note their optical payload looks like a webcam on a mount:

I know SATUMA is an old company with a lot of heritage but I believe they are not getting any attention from the biggest buyer (military) and are being forced to go into commercial projects. Also it appears they have not kept with the times and seem to be stuck in the 90s. The military may be ignoring them because they're stuck in the 90's or they might be stuck in the 90's because the military is ignoring them which results in little R&D. Not sure which. But I wouldn't expect SATUMA to do anything useful anytime soon (other than target drones).

For some reason ID seems to be doing well (or maybe they've learnt to show off better lol). I know your opinion of Sabri and I have my own reasons to mostly agree too lol.
EDIT: Doing well = lots of new and diverse products, which usually means money to spend for development.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I don't know if this is a valid way to judge a company but I recently went through their website and I don't think they are doing too well.

They're last military contracts were 2014, after which they have been doing commercial stuff, which in itself is a good thing, but these are small scale things so looks more like desperation and less like diversification.
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Secondly, their product line seems to be scaled version of the same basic design. I feel like they've got too many models that don't distinguish themselves from each other.

Thirdly, since the military is now making their own UAVs in large numbers I think SATUMA has lost that market.

On a separate note their optical payload looks like a webcam on a mount:
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I know SATUMA is an old company with a lot of heritage but I believe they are not getting any attention from the biggest buyer (military) and are being forced to go into commercial projects. Also it appears they have not kept with the times and seem to be stuck in the 90s. The military may be ignoring them because they're stuck in the 90's or they might be stuck in the 90's because the military is ignoring them which results in little R&D. Not sure which. But I wouldn't expect SATUMA to do anything useful anytime soon (other than target drones).

For some reason ID seems to be doing well (or maybe they've learnt to show off better lol). I know your opinion of Sabri and I have my own reasons to mostly agree too lol.
EDIT: Doing well = lots of new and diverse products, which usually means money to spend for development.

ID's pseudo-satellite/HAPS projects look really interesting, let's see if NESCOM thiefs it Lol. If there was a way to trigger ID, it'd be copying the HAPS IMO.

 

[ziya]

milsoft system on milgem

 

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