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[JamD]

Affirmative. And not a Chinese Knock Off it’s a full fledged Indigenous MALE UCAV with localised Pay Load.

I'm usually a serious person but you've said such a thing that "aik pappi idhar, aik pappi udhar"

@JamD I think ... it looks like the PAF's trying to change things for the better...

Might not be PAF.

 

[T-123456]

Damn right they do. And you will see their performance in a low intensity conflict very soon.

I'll wait and see then.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Sincerely hope that's true.

Affirmative. And not a Chinese Knock Off it’s a full fledged Indigenous MALE UCAV with localised Pay Load.

 

[Bratva]

Affirmative. And not a Chinese Knock Off it’s a full fledged Indigenous MALE UCAV with localised Pay Load.

Is it linked with Beidou Satellites?

 

[Ark_Angel]

Is it linked with Beidou Satellites?

It can be but not yet.

 

[Bratva]

It can be but not yet.

Zaid Hamid leaked the Pakistani drone attack video on his twitter last year. Takeaway from that video was, Pakistan drone operators observing movement through GCS consoles and dropping a payload on terrorists. The missile was of low yield and it only killed 1 and 2 terrorists ran away and then Pakistani drone operator enthusiastically asking to send another drone to finish the job

So analysis of the video showed existing drones has 1 or 2 missile capacity only. The missile is of low yield low weight, cant be used for one shot one kill scenarios like Hell fire missile. Also that drone was being operated through Line of Sight. And Pakistan has to send multiple drones to kill few terrorists due to very low payload capacity.

If the new drone that you are talking about is gonna be operated through LoS, then I assume using it in Balochistan and Fata hilly terrain would cause an issue due Line of Sight. And Linking it up with Beidou should be utmost priority if the strikes has to be carried across Afghanistan or you want the Drone to loiter and reconnoiter over an area for 10-12 hours at a stretch

Take an example of turkish drone performance in Libya recently and how it helped G NA against Haftar forces. It is LoS but drones were used in Urban warfare where LoS is not an issue.

 

[JamD]

Zaid Hamid leaked the Pakistani drone attack video on his twitter last year. Takeaway from that video was, Pakistan drone operators observing movement through GCS consoles and dropping a payload on terrorists. The missile was of low yield and it only killed 1 and 2 terrorists ran away and then Pakistani drone operator enthusiastically asking to send another drone to finish the job

So analysis of the video showed existing drones has 1 or 2 missile capacity only. The missile is of low yield low weight, cant be used for one shot one kill scenarios like Hell fire missile. Also that drone was being operated through Line of Sight. And Pakistan has to send multiple drones to kill few terrorists due to very low payload capacity.

If the new drone that you are talking about is gonna be operated through LoS, then I assume using it in Balochistan and Fata hilly terrain would cause an issue due Line of Sight. And Linking it up with Beidou should be utmost priority if the strikes has to be carried across Afghanistan or you want the Drone to loiter and reconnoiter over an area for 10-12 hours at a stretch

Take an example of turkish drone performance in Libya recently and how it helped G NA against Haftar forces. It is LoS but drones were used in Urban warfare where LoS is not an issue.

The need for satcom is not lost on the people developing these systems. This I can say for sure based on personal interactions. Also, I don't think Beidou are used for communication, just positioning. I suspect the development of PAKSAT-MM1 is basically to enable satcom for Pakistani UAVs.

Note: There is a PAKSAT-MM1 already in orbit but that's not the one I am talking about. This old PAKSAT-MM1 was AsiaSat or something that we bought. We are supposed to launch another PAKSAT-MM1 later (I don't know why the same name).

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The need for satcom is not lost on the people developing these systems. This I can say for sure based on personal interactions. Also, I don't think Beidou are used for communication, just positioning. I suspect the development of PAKSAT-MM1 is basically to enable satcom for Pakistani UAVs.

Note: There is a PAKSAT-MM1 already in orbit but that's not the one I am talking about. This old PAKSAT-MM1 was AsiaSat or something that we bought. We are supposed to launch another PAKSAT-MM1 later (I don't know why the same name).

It looks like they still have to tippy-toe around SATCOM. At IDEAS 2018, SUPARCO told me that PAKSAT-MM1 will continue using Ku-band, instead of Ka-band (which other militaries are moving to with their comms satellites). There are also no immediate plans for X-band.

To me it seems that we're actually having trouble accessing Ka-band and X-band, at least for now. The military utility of those frequencies isn't lost on anyone, certainly not the US. Of course, they'll need to keep replacing satellites every 7-10 years, so it could be a cost issue (and something they'll rectify in a future satellite).

 

[JamD]

It looks like they still have to tippy-toe around SATCOM. At IDEAS 2018, SUPARCO told me that PAKSAT-MM1 will continue using Ku-band, instead of Ka-band (which other militaries are moving to with their comms satellites). There are also no immediate plans for X-band.

To me it seems that we're actually having trouble accessing Ka-band and X-band, at least for now. The military utility of those frequencies isn't lost on anyone, certainly not the US. Of course, they'll need to keep replacing satellites every 7-10 years, so it could be a cost issue (and something they'll rectify in a future satellite).

I believe Ku band is fine for our needs, at least for the near future. We are not planning to fly 100s of UAVs at the same time with 4K video feeds. I wouldn't surprised if there no immediate plans for Ka satellites.

 

[Ark_Angel]

Zaid Hamid leaked the Pakistani drone attack video on his twitter last year. Takeaway from that video was, Pakistan drone operators observing movement through GCS consoles and dropping a payload on terrorists. The missile was of low yield and it only killed 1 and 2 terrorists ran away and then Pakistani drone operator enthusiastically asking to send another drone to finish the job

So analysis of the video showed existing drones has 1 or 2 missile capacity only. The missile is of low yield low weight, cant be used for one shot one kill scenarios like Hell fire missile. Also that drone was being operated through Line of Sight. And Pakistan has to send multiple drones to kill few terrorists due to very low payload capacity.

If the new drone that you are talking about is gonna be operated through LoS, then I assume using it in Balochistan and Fata hilly terrain would cause an issue due Line of Sight. And Linking it up with Beidou should be utmost priority if the strikes has to be carried across Afghanistan or you want the Drone to loiter and reconnoiter over an area for 10-12 hours at a stretch

Take an example of turkish drone performance in Libya recently and how it helped G NA against Haftar forces. It is LoS but drones were used in Urban warfare where LoS is not an issue.

That video was of an older platform which the World Knows as Burraq UCAV. Burraq is a tactical UCAV which requires LOS. The newer bird is not from NESCOM and is from a different entity, is MALE in its true sense and carries A newer Improved and heavier payload. It has a SATCOM link/INS/Jamming/Spoofing Proof protocols. It a different beast.

 

[S A L M A N.]

The need for satcom is not lost on the people developing these systems. This I can say for sure based on personal interactions. Also, I don't think Beidou are used for communication, just positioning. I suspect the development of PAKSAT-MM1 is basically to enable satcom for Pakistani UAVs.

Note: There is a PAKSAT-MM1 already in orbit but that's not the one I am talking about. This old PAKSAT-MM1 was AsiaSat or something that we bought. We are supposed to launch another PAKSAT-MM1 later (I don't know why the same name).

Yes. There appears to be a genuine realization of the importance of SATCOM among the military policymakers.
The SATCOM-capable Sea Eagle for the PN is one such example.
And the PN probably has the heaviest requirement for secure SATCOM among the 3 services owing to the distances generally involved in Naval missions.
There are some other PN-related developments and acquisitions that corroborate the high importance the PN accords to SATCOM.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I'll wait and see then.

They have been developing several systems and platforms under Project Azm.

Can you see what appears to be a fuselage in the background:

The high speed target drone was tested last year in december 19..

 

[JamD]

That video was of an older platform which the World Knows as Burraq UCAV. Burraq is a tactical UCAV which requires LOS. The newer bird is not from NESCOM and is from a different entity, is MALE in its true sense and carries A newer Improved and heavier payload. It has a SATCOM link/INS/Jamming/Spoofing Proof protocols. It a different beast.

My gut feel says AWC which is technically NESCOM but you say it's not NESCOM. So I'm either confused, excited, or skeptical lol.

They have been developing several systems and platforms under Project Azm.
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Can you see what appears to be a fuselage in the background:

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The high speed target drone was tested last year in december 19..

We need to stop derailing this thread but that target drone has had some serious problems to say the least.

 

[Bilal.]

My gut feel says AWC which is technically NESCOM but you say it's not NESCOM. So I'm either confused, excited, or skeptical lol.

PAC?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

PAC?

That would be interesting. We can barely see two or (at best) four fuselage jigs, so reports of an export order for such a system would imply that the UAV line at AMF is much, much bigger now. I don't we we'd be able to balance export orders + domestic needs without said expansion. So, I wonder, did they clear room from the K-8 area, or is it some net-new expansion? OTOH it might take less time to build fuselages, so what we see in the pics is enough?