Pakistan to raise 12,000 Marines in a new branch of Navy

[SipahSalar]

Can anybody tell that who is funding defence projects recently?8 subs,Chineese,american,russian attack helis,Hellfires, new brach of navy and alot more. Its like $$$s are appearing from nowhere.

improved tax collection. With a leader that is not Zardari we do have capacity to purchase many weapons.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

We have much more purchasing power if corruption is not done.

 

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improved tax collection. With a leader that is not Zardari we do have capacity to purchase many weapons.

PML-N should really be given credit for improving Pakistan in this tenure.

 

[airmarshal]

I think MSA and Coast Guards will be merged and a big number of those two combined forces will make the targeted 12,000.

Also with this type of force, amphibious crafts, helicopter carriers will be needed too. And that is a huge expense.

 

[Wolfhound]

I think MSA and Coast Guards will be merged and a big number of those two combined forces will make the targeted 12,000.

Also with this type of force, amphibious crafts, helicopter carriers will be needed too. And that is a huge expense.

MSA and Coast Guards should have been merged from the start, This will reduce logistics problem aswell and we will have one unified and dedicated force as a 2nd tier protection of our coast. Marines should also be increased to make this a potent defense structure.

 

[GoMarines]

Plz tell me !
how a Non-Technical Sailor-Marine became an Officer (In Future)?????

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Don't know about that but this 12000 should be the start we should have at least 60000 Marines in future and much bigger Navy.

My friend,
The exact number would depend on: What is the role of the Marines in Pakistan Navy?

Pakistan Navy Official Website
States the role of Pakistan Marine is similar to the French Green Berets (The Commandos Marine are the special operation forces of the French Navy. They are made up of some 600 members plus support, mostly based in northwestern France (Brittany), with several bases across the country for specific training needs. The Commandos Marine are nicknamed bérets verts (Green Berets). They operate under the Naval Riflemen and Special Operations Forces Command (ALFUSCO) and form part of the French Special Operations Command.)
Recently Government of France has started to increase these to 1200 members.

But if Pakistan is considering these roles to be different i.e Troupes de marine (The Troupes de marine, formerly the Troupes coloniales, are an arm of the French Army with a dedicated overseas service role. Despite their title they have long been a part of the Army. They were renamed from their former colonial title in 1958. They are sometimes referred to as French marines in English-speaking media).

 

[GoMarines]

What about Pak Navy Marines ..??

 

[niaz]

Indian Navy’s acquisition of Mig 29K has tilted the balance strongly in their favour. Its Zhuk-ME Radar can detect air targets more than 120 Km away and attack 4 targets simultaneously. Would a Mirage V be able to penetrate IN defence protected by carrier based Mig 29K’s is debatable.

Undoubtedly Mirage V has bigger pay load capacity & range than JF-17. Thunder’s range can be augmented thru air to air refuelling. However, whether Am-39 Exocet or its Chinese equivalent YJ-8K can be integrated with JF-17 remains a big question.

IMHO, even if PN wants to retain Mirage V in anti-ship role for the time being; PN should still acquire a squadron of JF-17 to provide Mirage V protection from Mig-29’s.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Indian Navy’s acquisition of Mig 29K has tilted the balance strongly in their favour. Its Zhuk-ME Radar can detect air targets more than 120 Km away and attack 4 targets simultaneously. Would a Mirage V be able to penetrate IN defence protected by carrier based Mig 29K’s is debatable.

Undoubtedly Mirage V has bigger pay load capacity & range than JF-17. Thunder’s range can be augmented thru air to air refuelling. However, whether Am-39 Exocet or its Chinese equivalent YJ-8K can be integrated with JF-17 remains a big question.

IMHO, even if PN wants to retain Mirage V in anti-ship role for the time being; PN should still acquire a squadron of JF-17 to provide Mirage V protection from Mig-29’s.

Bro the issue here is not the capabilities of Mig 29K or its radar and targeting system but is PAF capable of destroying the aircraft carriers before they are able to launch the Mig 29K's. Here is a reference to the capabilities of PAF Mirage V's.

The issue with having JF-17's and getting them refueled for the flight would indicate the enemy that get ready there is an eminent threat to the carriers. One also has to remember that once the refuelling aircraft are operating then they also require air cover which could be difficult to achieve.

Integration can be achieved though it would take time.

In the tread Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V. | Page 51
post 754 by @fatman17
NO. 8 SQUADRON'S "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE" SUCCEEDS

1500 HOURS - 30 MAY 1995



Flying a few feet above the Arabian Sea, the two Mirage pilots are impressed by the awesome silhouette of the nuclear-powered Abraham Lincoln as the carrier looms gradually above the sea curvature, dead on the nose. The mission: To penetrate successfully the Carrier Task Force's early warning and perimeter defences and, to deliver a simulated Exocet guided missile attack on "the world's largest warship". The memorable sortie was flown during "Inspired Alert" - a Pakistan-US joint exercise. O.C. No. 8 Squadron, strictly following the ground rules, planned and led a simultaneous multidirectional attack profile against CVN-72, in an attempt to overload its defence. As two of the three Mirage pairs turned away, the lead Mirage carried out a simulated Exocet "launch" from several miles away, without meeting any of the ship's fighters. The Squadron Commander and his wingman later did a friendly fly by at the carrier's side, perhaps just as surprised as the Lincoln's crews, at the missed interception.

Wing Commander Asim Suleiman Leader and O.C. No 8 Squadron
Flight Lieutenant Ahmed Hassan Wingman

 

[truthseeker2010]

Many questions remain unanswered. All we know so far is that it will be headed by a 3 star Admiral.

What will be the purpose of such force?
Why the sudden need for Marines?
Where will they operate? Are they meant to guard Gwadar?
What equipment will they have? Is Pakistan finally getting Amphibious assault ships which are considered vital for any amphibious military to effectively operate?

Pakistan Seeks New Force for Sea Boundaries
ISLAMABAD — Pakistan is to raise a new force to help safeguard its sea boundaries, but analysts are perplexed as to how the force is to be raised even though there is a need to improve security.

The move was announced Tuesday by Pakistan's Minister for Ports and Shipping Senator Kamran Michael who said a force of 12,000 Marines was to be raised and headed by a three star general. He added the Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had sanctioned the program and the defense ministry had commenced work on establishing the force.

However, neither the defense ministry nor the Pakistan Navy would provide details of the proposed force when contacted by Defense News.

It is not understood how this Marine force will be established, whether it will be an entirely new force, drawn from other Marine units, or an expansion of existing units that will be re-tasked.

There is no time frame given for when it will become operational.

Pakistan's maritime area of interest has been very topical of late.

The move to establish the new force comes as work on the US $36 billion Sino-Pakistani economic corridor to connect Pakistan's deepwater port of Gwadar with western China gets underway, and against the backdrop of an expansion in the size of Pakistan's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ).

In March the United Nations' Commission on Limits of Continental Shelf also accepted Pakistan's claim to extend its EEZ to the continental shelf limits and extended it from 200 nautical miles to 350. This amounts to an additional 50,000 square kilometers, taking the total EEZ from 240,000 square kilometers to 290,000 square kilometers.

Regarding the establishment of this new force, former Australian defense attache to Islamabad Brian Cloughley says an initiative of this size will take a monumental level of organization and training, the scale of which may not yet be apparent.

"Recruiting, alone, will take years. Of course it's an excellent idea, but it would be better to build on the Coast Guard and the [Maritime Security Agency] — combine and expand the two, under the legal cover of the latter."

Asked as to whether this may be part of the recently announced Sino-Pakistani economic corridor program and if the Chinese would help equip the new force he said, "I have no doubt that the Chinese will be most supportive and will probably provide equipment."

There could yet be another theory as to how the force will be established however. Though the move was announced by the Minister for Ports and Shipping, Cloughley does not believe the force will be tasked solely with port security.

"I think the new force is intended to assume the duties currently performed by the Coast Guard and the Maritime Security Agency (MSA), not just to concentrate on ports."

Similarly, analyst Haris Khan of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank agrees there needs to be some form of change, but that this should focus on capacity building for the MSA.

"What is required is that the MSA needs expansion and it needs to incorporate the Coast Guard," he said. "There is already a viable structure of command and control of the MSA which operates under the supervision of Pakistan Navy."

Highlighting the MSA's assets in having "close to 2,500 personal, four Barkat class OPVs, three Shanghai II class FAC, ten 13 meter interdiction patrol craft, and three BN Defender aircraft", Khan says this provides a good core capability.

The Coast Guard is a land-based paramilitary force currently under control of the Army. The MSA is a maritime paramilitary unit under the control of the Navy.

Analysts dispute the effectiveness of the Coast Guard, but it made headlines this month when it seized just over 3,000kg of hashish during a raid in the town of Pasni, Balochistan. It was destined for the gulf where it would have been worth an estimated US $50 million and is one of the largest ever seizures of the drug.

There is, however, an apparent shortage of assets to effectively patrol the EEZ, and Khan believes "the MSA should be provided more sea vessels for interdiction, more fixed wing aircraft should be added, and particularly helicopters."

There is already some indication of more assets on the way for the MSA.

Last October, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency sent notification to Congress of the State Department's intention to provide eight GRC43M cutters to Pakistan under a foreign military sales transfer.

These are intended to help Pakistan ensure security in its coastal waters and the EEZ.

Though nothing has been heard of this proposal since then, Khan understands it may have progressed to the stage where Pakistani personnel have traveled to the US to undergo training on the type.

Ultimately, however, Khan is unconvinced of the wisdom of establishing a new force, and highlights that there are already a number of organizations of overlapping responsibility including various provincial level Anti Narcotics Force units that complicate matters and drain resources.

"Establishing a brand new organization will take a lot of time and energy and the financial burden would be something the already weak finances of the country cannot bear. This hodgepodge of several different paramilitary forces only creates financial burden."

3-star post for a force 12000 is too much, 2 star gen is enough for this force.

 

[xyxmt]

PML-N should really be given credit for improving Pakistan in this tenure.

dont say that man, @Leader will burn if he read it

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Should have at least 100,000-200,000 marines

 

[Echo_419]

Should have at least 100,000-200,000 marines

Better idea make every Pakistani a marine commando

Bro the issue here is not the capabilities of Mig 29K or its radar and targeting system but is PAF capable of destroying the aircraft carriers before they are able to launch the Mig 29K's. Here is a reference to the capabilities of PAF Mirage V's.

The issue with having JF-17's and getting them refueled for the flight would indicate the enemy that get ready there is an eminent threat to the carriers. One also has to remember that once the refuelling aircraft are operating then they also require air cover which could be difficult to achieve.

Integration can be achieved though it would take time.

In the tread Capabilities of PAF Dassault MIRAGE-III/V. | Page 51
post 754 by @fatman17
NO. 8 SQUADRON'S "MISSION IMPOSSIBLE" SUCCEEDS

1500 HOURS - 30 MAY 1995



Flying a few feet above the Arabian Sea, the two Mirage pilots are impressed by the awesome silhouette of the nuclear-powered Abraham Lincoln as the carrier looms gradually above the sea curvature, dead on the nose. The mission: To penetrate successfully the Carrier Task Force's early warning and perimeter defences and, to deliver a simulated Exocet guided missile attack on "the world's largest warship". The memorable sortie was flown during "Inspired Alert" - a Pakistan-US joint exercise. O.C. No. 8 Squadron, strictly following the ground rules, planned and led a simultaneous multidirectional attack profile against CVN-72, in an attempt to overload its defence. As two of the three Mirage pairs turned away, the lead Mirage carried out a simulated Exocet "launch" from several miles away, without meeting any of the ship's fighters. The Squadron Commander and his wingman later did a friendly fly by at the carrier's side, perhaps just as surprised as the Lincoln's crews, at the missed interception.

Wing Commander Asim Suleiman Leader and O.C. No 8 Squadron
Flight Lieutenant Ahmed Hassan Wingman

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I would not count PAF in this engagement as it will have its hands full with IAF also many SU-30 are based in South India that can participate in any naval conflict on the western front

 

[544_delta]

And what is that gandoo red thing wrapped around? Friggin joke?

F$%king made my day, this post! Literally fell off my God darned charpai
ON TOPIC: why dont we merge all these eagle,janbaaz,mujahid,elite etc forces of police and make a SWAT force under police command plus train our coast guards alongside USCG they are one of the ,ost elite force of their kind i hear