Pakistan To Participate In Turkey’s TFX Next-Gen Fighter Aircraft Program

[Vapnope]

Because pakistani members mentioning economic problems a lot...

Same, as i said above

 

[SOHEIL]

Same, as i said above

So what's gonna be your input?

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Firstly, all the best wishes to Pak friends!

With East & West combination... your aviation sector is bound to enter a transformative state.

Both J31 & TFX can play valuable roles in the PAF and bring the power balance back in the skies.

Whatever is the strategic choice of the PAF, one sincerely hopes to see local production of NGF with partners like China & Turkey.

Keep going, keep expanding your options and opportunities.

Hopefully, your Aviation City Becomes a world class figther production city.

Goodluck.

 

[Vapnope]

So what's gonna be your input?

You will find out soon enough

 

[Muhammad Omar]

TAI TFX has 3 different Designs i Think Pakistan should go for Single Engine cause we have an Option of dual Engine J-31 of China

But the Question is how much Pakistan will give $$$ in this project?? $500 M?

Also this will complete East and WEST Combo which Chief Sohail said in his interview

 

[SOHEIL]

TAI TFX has 3 different Designs i Think Pakistan should go for Single Engine cause we have an Option of dual Engine J-31 of China

But the Question is how much Pakistan will give $$$ in this project?? $500 M?

Also this will complete East and WEST Combo which Chief Sohail said in his interview

So you are going to force Turkey into single engine design because you have another option?

& 500m $ !?

Developing a new fighter jet needs billions not millions !

Especially when western countries involved !!!

+ this is turkey's first experience in developing fighter jets ... So it's gonna make it more expensive project !

+ Turkey currently unable to produce jet engines... & you are going to ask from the countries Which are fully against developing such a systems in Muslim countries !

+ As we see in TAI anka project Which is much simpler than a fighter jet "again" experience is a very important factor & it's gonna take so long to achieve !!!

2030?

 

[Muhammad Omar]

So you are going to force Turkey into single engine design because you have another option?

& 500m $ !?

Developing a new fighter jet needs billions not millions !

Especially when western countries involved !!!

+ this is turkey's first experience in developing fighter jets ... So it's gonna make it more expensive project !

+ Turkey currently unable to produce jet engines... & you are going to ask from the countries Which are fully against developing such a systems in Muslim countries !

+ As we see in TAI anka project Which is much simpler than a fighter jet "again" experience is a very important factor & it's gonna take so long to achieve !!!

2030?

Where did i say that PAF should Force Turkey for Single engine design.. Look at the Picture they already have plans of twin Engine and Single Engine Plane.. no one is forcing them..

and about the Money it'll be obviously the initial payment it'll still take a decade for this to become reality or even 8 years minimum

Turkey is Already making components for F-35 and F-16's so they have experience also they collaborated with Sweden Saab to provide design support services to Turkey for the TAI TFX program

 

[Army research]

Look people like countless have said I don't think turkey would have invited Pakistan if it did not have the money ,there could be financial programs the Turk's could have made for us in view of our struggling but growing economy if you come to think of it it sounds quite right

 

[SOHEIL]

Look at the Picture they already have plans of twin Engine and Single Engine Plane.. no one is forcing them..

It doesn't mean they are going to have both !

 

[mike2000 is back]

i have read i one article uk is also considering this project to be its new typhoon.now if that happens imagnie the avionics,engine,EW and radar on this baby.all out of americans sanctions reach but still of westren quality..

Well, if a country is worried about U.S /U.K/Western sanctions, then I'm afraid that country will have to be a closed country like N.Korea.
So Turkey shouldn't be worried about our Sanctions in future. Since they need our help to have any chance of making their dream of building such an advanced fighter jet come true.

Anyway, as long as we continue to provide all the necessary help and assistance to Turkey in this field, then they shouldn't have much problem building this fighter jet .

 

[Viper0011.]

See Turkey is building this jet to work with it's F-35 fleet. Which is single engine, and Pakistan won't be getting any F-35's. We most probably will be getting J-31 which is dual engine. Plus Single engine have good benefits for PAF such as costs etc.

This is a separate program, allowing Turkey to be independent of the US aircraft as their relations are drifting away. The idea behind this is for Turkey to create their own 5th gen plane to make up the "Hi" of the Hi-Lo mix. F-35 will supplement that "Hi" along with the TFX. F-16's, etc, will serve the "Lo" of that mix.

Pakistan can make this their hi as well and keep the JFT and the F-16 for Lo.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Hello All
For me its a best option , Technically and economically good and soled . Y , for me its very simple or I say what I think or my wish lol.
We already have JF17 we can have more advance models of that bird and can make them in numbers to add with them we can and we should have J31 as stealth bird a great combo JF17 + J31 .
J31 can come in production around 2022 or 2023 and we can have first squadron ready in 2025 max, ideal time for start of replacing F16s (older one first) , we can have 200+ JF17 to counter majority of IAF's Birds and 120+ J31 to counter SU30 , Pak-Fa , Rafal and F35(if any).
Now that's sound to little and not enough , PAF and all know it too, So what to do , Here we have the golden Opportunity , TFX yes TFX , we can join hand with of Brothers and can build a 5th Gen Western Tech Bird and that bird can join us around 2028 , and to help them we can go for EFT as 4.5++ gen bird .
I may sound silly but I think KSA will soon have Production line of EFT and we already have good relations with ITLAY and UK . Here we have a great combo again EFT + TFX , with western Tech .
if we do that we will have most of the birds Made in Pakistan (will cost us less and many more advantages ) and a great combo of eastern and western 4.5+ and 5th gen birds , and because they need some time until that we can build our economy and we can have them in good numbers just say 500+ all 4 .
These Birds can not only defend Our Air but they can also easily attack enemy (deep Strike).
its my dream and for me the only option to counter IAF big numbers and Technical Advantage, maintenance wont be issue as JF17 an J31 , and EFT and TFX will have lots of commonalities .
I hope u guys wont mind shearing my dream or wish with you all
Thank you

 

[Viper0011.]

Jf 17 will nə developed into stealth in block 4

The JFT is an already inducted platform where the PAF has allocated significant time for training and tactics development. It's going to stay as the main horse in the race. The TFS will form the stealthy Hi for the PAF (like the F-15 did for the USAF and now the F-22 does for the USAF). This would be the same doctrine of Hi-Lo mix.

The JFT block IV will be a stealthy variant or stealth optimized to say the least. They want miniaturized components of the J-31 put into the block IV.

Close as China - Pakistan relations are, Pakistan is not keen on rely exclusively on Chinese equipment. Turkey seems like the only country that is willing to sell Pakistan without strings attached.

That's untrue, Russians will sell tomorrow if Pakistan paid cash. The issue as I was explained a month ago was, the cost and time it would take for the PAF to train on Russian platforms and then build tactics around it.

The UK would love to make an EFT sale to Pakistan. The issue there is, if the block 15-OCU/MLU jets from the 80's in PAF pilots hands can take out the EFT repeatedly in simulation combat.....well doesn't that mean they should buy more F-16's (used) at 20% of the cost of an EFT as they are still above performance compared to the EFT? Otherwise the EFT would be taking out the F-16's. It makes perfect logical sense. Why pay $ 80 million for a plane when your older plane costing $ 20 mil a piece can take it out??

 

[surya kiran]

somebody please call oldman @MastanKhan to this thread.

 

[nadeemkhan110]

TAI TFX has 3 different Designs i Think Pakistan should go for Single Engine cause we have an Option of dual Engine J-31 of China

But the Question is how much Pakistan will give $$$ in this project?? $500 M?

Also this will complete East and WEST Combo which Chief Sohail said in his interview

Pakistan will have to invest about 2 billion in TAI TFX and single engine jet will not be able to carry much payload so I don't think single engine TAI TFX will be a good idea.