Pakistan To Participate In Turkey’s TFX Next-Gen Fighter Aircraft Program

[damm1t]

Turkey and Pakistan both facing financial crunch

Turkey's economy is growing for 26 quarters in a row. We have no financial problems since political support for the project is at the highest level.

TFX has 3 models,one is dual engines air superority fighter,single engine cheaper to operate and a EFT2k type manoeuvrable aircraft.
Turkey is confused on choosing

No confuss. Twin engine model is chosen long ago.

Does turkey have a licence to export engine to thrid party clients?

That's not an issue which can't be handle. There is no ONLY ONE engine manufacturer in the world. And RR is pro-TFX, it won't be a problem

 

[Genghis khan1]

Pakistan can help with TFX stealth design and some material sciences if defence ministry is willing to spend $100 million or so on Supercomputer research lab. Chinese are excelling in this field, Plus Pakistan can also buy American Intel chips or Canadian D-wave Quantum computer. Pakistan has larger pool of scientists and engineers doing 3rd class jobs, Teaching, Freelance or working in Mid-east. Hire them all, give them proper tools and make them work like a rat and they will surprize the world.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...supercomputer-now-has-chinese-chip-technology

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

This is correct. BaES is the tech partner, and EJ is the engine partner. This bird can become reality faster than you know. For a platforms company, they can easily customize one of dozens of designs they have that didn't make it to production.


Thats already a base. Why don't you call the CPD for the new PMO and make a suggestion?

I would personally call it FURY

What's about Janbaz!?! PAF pilots have shown how to put their lives in the line of fire...

 

[dadeechi]

So Pakistan is going to have two 5th generation fighter programs..in TFX & J-31

This is going to be a huge boost to PAF.

Hope GoI & IAF shows urgency on PAK-FA/FGFA & F-35 deals.

 

[war&peace]

That is a good development and both should cooperate in this great project as both countries can jointly develop a formidable fighter which caters for their particular needs in future.
However, it needs to be seen how Turkey and Pakistan iron out issues related to foreign-systems especially from US before an official commitment will be made and contract be signed. Which I think if both countries assert themselves, they can solve the issue and then it will be the best JV for both and will go a long way developing stronger relation between the two brotherly countries.

 

[The SC]

I think Turkey has seen a potential in the Pakistani expertise acquired in manufacturing a fighter jet, the experience is very valuable for a _from scratch_ project, even though Turkey has great experience in maintaining and upgrading combat jets.. So I do not see any reason why Pakistan shouldn't join the project with a symbolic amount like a 100 million $ or so, India for instance put in around that amount to join in the PakFA project with a promise to buy a certain number if all goes well..The same applies in the TFX project..so it will depend on the final cost per fighter plane and some solid projections of the Pakistani economy.. if they match and/or there is potential to acquire around a 100 or so than it should be a very good deal for 2025 to 2030, in the mean time there is the J-31 with at least 3 squadrons to fill temporarily the 4++ and 5th generation gap

That is a good development and we should cooperate in this great project as both countries we jointly develop a formidable fighter which caters for their particular needs in future.
However, it needs to be seen how Turkey can Pakistan iron out issues related to foreign-systems especially from US before an official commitment will be made and contract be signed. Which I think if both countries assert themselves, they can solve the issue and then it will be the best JV for both and will go a long way developing stronger relation between the two brotherly countries.

The US has no problem selling components or even fighter jets to Pakistan as long as the latter pays the full price, that was the last message from the US Congress..

 

[war&peace]

I think Turkey has seen a potential in the Pakistani expertise acquired in manufacturing a fighter jet, the experience is very valuable for a _from scratch_ project, even though Turkey has great experience in maintaining and upgrading combat jets.. So I do not see any reason why Pakistan shouldn't join the project with a symbolic amount like a 100 million $ or so, India for instance put in around that amount to join in the PakFA project with a promise to buy a certain number if all goes well..The same applies in the TFX project..so it will depend on the final cost per fighter plane and some solid projections of the Pakistani economy.. if they match,and/or there is potential to acquire around a 100 or so than it should be a very good deal for 2025 to 2030, in the mean time there is the J-31 with at least 3 squadrons to fill temporarily the4++ and 5th generation gap


The US has no problem selling components or even fighter jets to Pakistan as long as the latter pays the full price, that was the last message from the US Congress..

Agreed. But you know US policies are prone to change and Pakistan cannot base long term policies and partnerships on current US policy so there needs to be more solid assurance from Turkey or USA in this matter.
However the recent update makes it almost wrinkle free since BAE will be assisting in technology of various systems while Rolls Royce is providing the engine and that's a good omen both for Pakistan and Turkey.

 

[Zarvan]

If Pakistan joins the program, they have to develop the single engine variant. Variant for PAF, while Turkey's can still be dual engine.

No more single engine variant policy. It's time to come up with new doctrine

 

[war&peace]

No more single engine variant policy. It's time to come up with new doctrine

PAF needs to go for a twin engine aircrafts..many smaller airforces have been using twin engines for years and even SLAF may go for Mig 29K. While PAF is much bigger force and has to cover larger enemy and defend more than 800 k sq-km Pakistan land and maritime area.

 

[Hell hound]

This is correct. BaES is the tech partner, and EJ is the engine partner. This bird can become reality faster than you know. For a platforms company, they can easily customize one of dozens of designs they have that didn't make it to production.


Thats already a base. Why don't you call the CPD for the new PMO and make a suggestion?

I would personally call it FURY

i have read i one article uk is also considering this project to be its new typhoon.now if that happens imagnie the avionics,engine,EW and radar on this baby.all out of americans sanctions reach but still of westren quality..

 

[Hassan Guy]

No more single engine variant policy. It's time to come up with new doctrine

Single engine has more advantages, J-31 will be dual.

 

[randomradio]

I think Turkey has seen a potential in the Pakistani expertise acquired in manufacturing a fighter jet, the experience is very valuable for a _from scratch_ project, even though Turkey has great experience in maintaining and upgrading combat jets.. So I do not see any reason why Pakistan shouldn't join the project with a symbolic amount like a 100 million $ or so, India for instance put in around that amount to join in the PakFA project with a promise to buy a certain number if all goes well..The same applies in the TFX project..so it will depend on the final cost per fighter plane and some solid projections of the Pakistani economy.. if they match,and/or there is potential to acquire around a 100 or so than it should be a very good deal for 2025 to 2030, in the mean time there is the J-31 with at least 3 squadrons to fill temporarily the4++ and 5th generation gap

Pakistan will either buy the TFX or the J-31, it will be one or the other. Right now Turkey has only invited Pak into the project. At the same time, the Chinese could start pressuring the Pak govt to invest in the J-31 instead.

Pak should get a pretty decent negotiations advantage. But the Chinese option is low risk.

 

[Arsalan]

If Pakistan joins the program, they have to develop the single engine variant. Variant for PAF, while Turkey's can still be dual engine.

not necessarily!
people need to undersat d that concept of PAF buying single engines only. it is not that we cannot operate twin engines.
Also i would take what the minister have to say with a pinch of salt. he is a politician and survives by lieing! However there are other indications as well that paf may look for a JV with Turkey for fifth gen plane other than the Chinese option. If so, it will be great indeed

 

[Hassan Guy]

not necessarily!
people need to undersat d that concept of PAF buying single engines only. it is not that we cannot operate twin engines.
Also i would take what the minister have to say with a pinch of salt. he is a politician and survives by lieing! However there are other indications as well that paf may look for a JV with Turkey for fifth gen plane other than the Chinese option. If so, it will be great indeed

Single engine is better for PAF.

 

[Arsalan]

Single engine is better for PAF.

For current needs and requirements in given resources and situation.